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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

GooeyBanana

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Adam, I've gotta say that your Falcon has seen tons of improvements lately. I'd say we're about even right now in skill factor, with both of us specializing in different matchups. I'd say you definitely have the Sheik/Peach matchup down better than I do, I have Fox/Marth(when I put on my I-think-I-can pants), and then we both equally go on and off against Ganon/Puff. Falco just ***** us both xP Your tech chases are pretty legit, at least they were against that Sheik. One thing I feel obligated to mention, learn to wavedash OoS. Too many occasions that Sheik would use a dsmash at the right spacing to where you couldn't shield grab so you'd SHFFL knee OoS and he'd be able to shield in time. Wavedash OoS solves this problem because you should be able to grab in time, if not put him in a scary position where he'll more than likely spot dodge because all Sheiks do that dumb ****.

And as far as nerves go, you really gotta just look at your pool and look down the list and clarify who you're on par with. What I mean is, if you haven't heard of the person before, you should at least tell yourself you should be able to trade games with that person, and be positive about it going into the match. Understand it could go either way, but definitely stay positive and don't lose your cool in sticky situations like both of you being at high % on your last stocks. I get nervous all the time during that situation, and as a result, I usually lose unless some fluke happens. Stay positive manggggggg!
 

legion598

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I need to get me some of those I-think-I-can-pants

but ya dude WD Oos is something im trying to put more in my game im really trying to put it in my falco MU as a way to get around his stupid *** lasers. never really thought about using it on shieks Dsmash so thats pretty cool

oh and gooey if u want to watch a falcon keep his cool look at the first match in the set, although I have no idea why i won because i did some really stupid crap and its shiek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5vKIxJ7T4&feature=related
 

GooeyBanana

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Yeah I watched the whole set. If my tire hadn't exploded and I was at the tournament and had witnessed the failed ledgehog at the end, I would've slapped you. Just hold onto that fraggin ledge, her upB is so laggy so if she landed on the stage you could easily stomp/knee during that lag. Hell, even ledge jump onto stage, waveland straight down, and grab that ho and deal with her handily ;P
 

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all falcons need good roy experience

except scar of course
 

AnDaLe

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i haven't played your roy in ages, since like last summer at WAIT2
 

PEEF!

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Or you could go with the 1 frame move :D
except that usmash OoS is just as fast as shine oos. Did you forget that you have to jump then down b?

Gooeybanana I'm gonna **** you so good. Especially with my Icees.
 

P.C. Jona

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actually if your fast enough your jump gets canceled by the shine

and your jump cancels the upsmash

and since shine is faster, you know

someone mentioned the frames but i think it was

4 for shine

8 for upsmash

which is nothing especially during sheild pressure when you have like 15 frames or something to do something
 

PEEF!

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I think shine is like 5 at quickest, and usmash is 6.



Anyway, conversation between Reneblade and I today:

PEEF: *dthrow dair chaingrabs Renblade's Falcon with my ICees*
Reneblade: *quits match* I'm done go practice this with a computer ****it.
PEEF: What?!
Reneblade: Yeah I'm not playing if you chaingrab in friendlies
PEEF: That's all ICees can do! You are going to be so good at not getting grabbed!
Reneblade: I don't want to be good at not getting grabbed.
PEEF: So you want to get grabbed.
Reneblade: Yes.
PEEF: Can I post that on the Falcon boards? That you can't handle escapable, non-wobble IC's chaingrabs and you DON'T WANT to not get grabbed?
Reneblade: Yes.

Haha here it is. Good times in Evansville.
 

P.C. Jona

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....pretty sure thats wrong.
o rly

As promised, frame data on Pillaring:

Green = Their Shield is in stun

Red = Their Shield is not in stun

Early Pillar (dair asap out of shine):

1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9
10

11
12
13 Airborne (start Dair)
14
15
16

17 Dair Hits, Hitlag
18 Hitlag
19 Hitlag
20 Hitlag
21 Hitlag
22 Hitlag
23 Hitlag
24
25
26
27
28
29
30

31
32 Fast Fall
33
34
35
36 Land, LC lag
37 LC lag
38 LC lag
39 LC lag
40 LC lag
41 LC lag
42 LC lag
43 LC lag
44 LC lag

45 Shine again

Ideal Pillar (Typical Pillar):

1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9
10

11
12
13 Airborne
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21 Start Dair
22
23
24
25

26 Dair Hits, HitLag, Fast Fall
27 Hitlag
28 Hitlag
29 Hitlag
30 Hitlag
31 Hitlag
32 Hitlag
33
34
35
36 Land- LC lag
37 LC lag
38 LC lag
39 LC lag

40 LC lag
41 LC lag
42 LC lag
43 LC lag
44 LC lag

45 Shine again

Late Dair (Dair hits right before landing)

1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9
10

11
12
13 Airborne
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25 Start Dair
26 Fast Fall
27
28

29 Dair Hits, Hitlag
30 Hitlag
31 Hitlag
32 Hitlag
33 Hitlag
34 Hitlag
35 Hitlag
36 Land, LC lag
37 LC lag
38 LC lag
39 LC lag
40 LC lag
41 LC lag
42 LC lag

43 LC lag
44 LC lag

45 Shine Again


I hope this clarifies everything for everyone, but i have a feeling it's going to generate more questions than answers. This just goes to show, The pillar is not as safe as you think.

Edit: this is the kind of **** you should quote in the first post.
 

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lol i just found that again

i was thikning more along like the lines of fox nair shine but i dont know the frame data on that stuff
 

Tomacawk

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fox nair shine has 3 frames of lag where you can **** up and still can't be shield grabbed, I'm 90% sure on this
edit-and im not looking it up lol
 

P.C. Jona

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oh me either

thats mad gay

probably like 9 or 10 frames or something

ive only seen jman and mango do it tho
 

Tomacawk

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that's not as gay as you guys think
that's if you jump out of shine perfectly, nair at the perfect time (not too fast), fastfall perfectly, and hit your l cancel, shining at the first possible frame
 

DtJ Jungle

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nair shine on shields?


its the new craze yo.


PC and Cactuar were the first people i saw do it.

and

Yeah he's only talking about a frame perfect level...which is pretty balls hard to be.
 

P.C. Jona

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thats why i hate fox

soo good

small as hell

quickest move in the game

best aerial in the game

has one of the best recovery's

has a gun

says cmon

screw fox
 

Tomacawk

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he's not even that broken?
this is assuming I'm right about the frame data
He has the quickest move in the game TIED with falco and puff. Which would you rather have rest or shine? Best aerial? Cmon man. You think his nair is the best aerial in the game? That's completely situational
and how many foxes win national/regional tournies jona?
 

P.C. Jona

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stop nit picking

its gay

like fox's nair/shine/upsmash/recovery/gun/cmon

colbol beat hungry last i saw
pc used to **** the world
raynex i think is best in canada
 

DtJ Jungle

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I think Bam/Kage are the best in canada, and i think Kirby Kaze is pretty close to Raynex/Unknown as well
 

ChRed2AKrisp

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lol he was on aim until a few hours ago, he's fine. He's just late, like always :D

we love you bob scarduzzio

scardouchio. I couldn't resist lol
 

PEEF!

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I have a serious CF Question for Scar.

Where the hell is my combao vidio.

I'm gonna play ice climbers.
 
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