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- Ness is short, but he can be z-aired. I can z-air smaller characters than him, like Kirby, Pikachu and Olimar. By the way, Ness being short is irrelevant, since it's not like Samus' Homing, Super, and Charge Shots fly over Ness.
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I'm aware of that. However, ducking won't work against partially to fully charged Charge Shots as well as Homing Missiles.Um, actually Super missiles do fly over Ness if you duck(and if that's all you're shooting...).
And with regards to the bat, that was referring to the single-missile/Charge shot combo timing.
YOU ARE A STRIKER'S PLAYER! WHO DO YOU USE!Yup, camp ended earlier than expected
I've got the Samus experience to do it confidently. And I believe that matchup charts in general are meant to propose what happens when characters are played at the metagame level? Therefore a (near-)perfect Ness should hit this every time he attempts it. Not to say to whip out the bat at every projectile thrown, but it can throw Samus off when mixed in. Every advantage helps right?I'm aware of that. However, ducking won't work against partially to fully charged Charge Shots as well as Homing Missiles.
In regard to the bat, I'd say that it would be better to take lesser risks. It wouldn't be good if your opponent was Samus, fired a Super Missile, and you didn't time Ness' f-smash correctly. I've seen some Ness players manage to do this, even my brother, but it's probably better to not do it, unless you are confident or skilled enough to perform it accurately.
You should then realize that Samus' Charge Shot will eat through the Super Missile and still fly toward you. I love doing that to my opponents. They'll play as Mario or Pit, and they'll use the Cape or Mirror Shield and then withdraw it, only to see that the Charge Shot is coming their way, and bam, they get hit!I've got the Samus experience to do it confidently. And I believe that matchup charts in general are meant to propose what happens when characters are played at the metagame level? Therefore a (near-)perfect Ness should hit this every time he attempts it. Not to say to whip out the bat at every projectile thrown, but it can throw Samus off when mixed in. Every advantage helps right?
Don't you mean, "It's a pain in my Ness"?I say you do Toon Link after samus, I've found him a pain as playing Ness.
uhmmm...the first post has it as 60-40 in TL's favor, it was never said a giant one.all in all I think maybe ness will be at a disavantage, not as as u have put it giant one though, like 60:40 toon Links favor or 65:35 toon links favor.
uhmmm...the first post has it as 60-40 in TL's favor, it was never said a giant one.
whups, sorry, oh well then I agree...It's not like he's Marth or G&W...it was at 30-70 when I posted.
I'm not in agreement of Ness having a slight advantage yet. I'll have to ask some Samus mainers what they think of Ness.Dryn, have you actually expressed an opinion on the matchup in terms of numbers yet, or are you agreeing that Ness does have a slight advantage?
I'm not in agreement of Ness having a slight advantage yet. I'll have to ask some Samus mainers what they think of Ness.
Thanks for the input.Well done PK, I agree with what you said. I'd only disagree with the spiking bit, Sonic's not that easy to spike and attempting to do so and failing will put you in a dangerous position.
At least people are mindful that Sonic actually has mindgames ¬_¬. You can cancel spincharges and that, why would you roll into the ****?
I'd give it a 55-45 for Ness too, but that's basically neutral, there's nothing to give between them
on the bright side, from what I've seen, not too many Warios know about this yet.so wario has a grab release on us?? Great.......
Left side is us(I thought that would have been obvious from Ike/TL/Wario). Always the standard for comparison(in this case Ness) is on the left.Okay, I have a question that's kind of bothering me. What number is Ness and what number are the other characters. Is it left = Ness, Right = ?.
I thought so. I just thought I'd go ahead and ask to make sure.Left side is us(I thought that would have been obvious from Ike/TL/Wario). Always the standard for comparison(in this case Ness) is on the left.
False. Samus has several options to choose from. Her Charge Shot possesses B-reversal. She can also be looking in the opposite direction and still fire Homing and Super Missiles toward her opponent.If samus is in the air facing away, guess what? a bair is coming.
OoS + Screw Attack beats this.If samus is on the ground, fair her. or come in from the upper forward with a dair. whatever.
She needn't be close to even hit anyone in the air. Being in the air means more options for Samus. Now, I don't know what you mean by no combos, because I have witnessed Gum, a Samus main, perform u-air to f-air to Screw Attack on R.O.B.Her aerials and Zair all autocancel, but that's not a big concern because she can't combo, and you can't punish aerials well with your puny grab range.
"So floaty" is an exaggerated term. I fail to see how your conclusion correlates with your first premise. Let's not forget that Samus is the fourth heaviest character in the game.You KO her at the normal percent range, since she's so floaty.
DI. If you don't believe me, ask my brother, Uffe, ask PKSkyler, and ask Earthbound360. The irony is that some of you Ness mainers make the match-up 6:4, but the only two people I have ever fought against who play as Ness and have beaten me are Earthbound360 and my brother. I haven't beaten Earthbound360, and sometimes I win against my brother, and sometimes my brother wins against me. I have beaten _clinton's Ness with my Samus, and I have done the same with PKSkyler's.130% for the bthrow.
If she's in the air, more z-air and Homing Missile spam. What's that? I think this means that if Ness can't get near Samus, then Ness isn't going to win. N-air if you wish, but you can't n-air every Homing Missile. What it will do is leave you open to get hit by Samus' z-air.If she's in the air, your attack will win. If she's on the ground, she's not that hard to get in the air. Adv. Ness.