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Extra Inch DI! NO MORE MARTH SUPER Regrab
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Veng
Smash Ace
So basically there has never been a infinite, just everyone DI's wrong?
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Epic discovery.
So does anyone know exactly how to do it? I looked and so far the theories are hold C or tap it. Which exactly works?
From what I've tested, B-sticking naturally inputs a TILT, but if you smash the C-stick, it gives you a smash effect, which is why thundershifting works with B-stick. It may work, but I cant test it still. I lack a wii.
Marth cannot do anymore chaingrabs to Ness. Dsmash yes, but then if Marths get the idea of dsmash after every grab, we can DI inwards to get a sourspot dsmash and IIRC, that doesnt KO until VERY high percents.
Charizard can still get Ness I see...
Oh well whatever. PTs are rar and Ness still has a good matchup to Charizard. With the SGB, his CG does only about 15% anyways.
If Sonic can really CG Ness, it wont matter much. It covers a huge distance and with SGB, you will be breaking out before you take much damage at all.
So does anyone know exactly how to do it? I looked and so far the theories are hold C or tap it. Which exactly works?
From what I've tested, B-sticking naturally inputs a TILT, but if you smash the C-stick, it gives you a smash effect, which is why thundershifting works with B-stick. It may work, but I cant test it still. I lack a wii.
Marth cannot do anymore chaingrabs to Ness. Dsmash yes, but then if Marths get the idea of dsmash after every grab, we can DI inwards to get a sourspot dsmash and IIRC, that doesnt KO until VERY high percents.
Charizard can still get Ness I see...
Oh well whatever. PTs are rar and Ness still has a good matchup to Charizard. With the SGB, his CG does only about 15% anyways.
If Sonic can really CG Ness, it wont matter much. It covers a huge distance and with SGB, you will be breaking out before you take much damage at all.
Veng
Smash Ace
So jam the control stick AND c stick diaganol and awaay from marth?
Ulevo
Smash Master
I know this is a nice discovery and all, and I'm not going to argue this doesn't work... But a video of a Marth that doesn't Shield in between grabs would be more convincing. Any Ness can walk out of a Release Grab if Marth isn't correctly timing his Grab, or mashing it fast enough, so he doesn't Shield.
Marth's grab can't reach Ness at all. I tested this over and over, Without this DI Marth can Re grab, No timing of the Marth grabs perfectly will ruin this tech from not working. The grab just doesn't reach Ness at all.
Even when the Marth is timing the grab perfectly he can't reach Ness, I tested it with better timing over and over.
Yes the video does look kind of weird because Ness walks away, I did walking accidentally. If you noticed the only time I taunted was when I did it correctly.
Also if you grab release a Ness DIing any other way he is still in grab range. Ness slides to far to be re grabbed.
Actually just to elaborate Marth can grab before Ness puts a shield up and he will not reach Ness. The grab will go without grabbing Ness.
And even if Marth flashes his shield when doing it without this DI he can still perfectly grab Ness.
Even if Marth may have mistimed in the video this DI does allow Ness to escape even with perfect timing.
Even when the Marth is timing the grab perfectly he can't reach Ness, I tested it with better timing over and over.
Yes the video does look kind of weird because Ness walks away, I did walking accidentally. If you noticed the only time I taunted was when I did it correctly.
Also if you grab release a Ness DIing any other way he is still in grab range. Ness slides to far to be re grabbed.
Actually just to elaborate Marth can grab before Ness puts a shield up and he will not reach Ness. The grab will go without grabbing Ness.
And even if Marth flashes his shield when doing it without this DI he can still perfectly grab Ness.
Even if Marth may have mistimed in the video this DI does allow Ness to escape even with perfect timing.
Don't worry Ulevo, I got this tested perfectly
PKNintendo
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Kiki52
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Lucas doesn't get infinited by Marth does he?
NoNessNoProblem
Smash Ace
It works..Dtilt or upsmash if they want to run at you. I just do a dtilt than roll back. Thank you Ref. Your my new Hero
mydadsacop123
Smash Apprentice
**** I did it wrong I don't think it works with bstick...
Lightosia
Smash Journeyman
Is it impossible to do it with Wii-remote, right?
(Someone asked me this question, I play with GC controllers only)
(Someone asked me this question, I play with GC controllers only)
ssbbFICTION
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Could you force a ground break with using this, compared to an air one?
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Hey Ref, if you do the EIDI, can you mash buttons at the same time to break out faster?
Gindler
Smash Champion
Some reason when I held both sticks diagnolly up I was still getting grabbed...what was I doing wrong?
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
this doesn't help you get out of the grab release because no marth player is gonna see that and go "oh well." When I played marth, I would walk forward after each grab release in case they did a jump break, EVERY marth I know does that as well. its nice to know that you can get that TINY bit more spacing, but its not as helpful as you think
PKNintendo
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No offense but your post is idiotic. I don't understand what you mean.
drunk captain falcom mains. Facepalm
102892
Smash Cadet
I you have bstick on with lucas, can you do a pk fire towards marth fast enough to give you a farhter boost?
102892
Smash Cadet
Regardless of whether or nolt the attack actually came out, I was just wondering if the initial frames would provide enough boost to get him out of range. But thanks for the info, being the only player in my house I can't usually test out things like this that require two people or one person switching controlers really fast.
Gaussis
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Only dsmash works. Maybe even a tilt. But the only real danger is dsmash. It's almost like the fsmash Wario had on Ness (yes EIDI can be used to escape it now according to PK Nintendo).
@102892
I mean that you can't even start an attack, let alone PK Fire. The boost starts when Lucas shouts the attack IIRC, which isn't started when grab-released. EIDI would be enough to escape Marth's everything for Lucas I suppose (not entirely sure), and every dangerous attack save for dsmash for Ness.
@102892
I mean that you can't even start an attack, let alone PK Fire. The boost starts when Lucas shouts the attack IIRC, which isn't started when grab-released. EIDI would be enough to escape Marth's everything for Lucas I suppose (not entirely sure), and every dangerous attack save for dsmash for Ness.
Levitas
the moon
I haven't had any success getting any more of a boost with Lucas. EIDI doesn't seem to escape anything with lucas, so pretty much Lucas and ness are about on the same level of getting wrecked at the moment.
Except that Lucas does worse against Marth in general.
Except that Lucas does worse against Marth in general.
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
my bad, I was high as ****, and because I'm too lazy to quote that other guy, no I'm not a falcon main, nor do I play him, I don't even play brawl anymore.
anyways, I just meant that you can walk forward to regrab, and even with the extra DI you CAN regrab. I don't know why I was talking about jumpbreaks lol. at either rate, its not THAT helpful unfortunately, like some guy said before me, you can just throw out a smash or something.
Fact is, Ness and Lucas suck, play MK
Fredcrownwel
Smash Rookie
Amazing now you don't have to worry about being screwed over by marth's grabs!
nice find!
nice find!
StevenMctoweleee
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Someone mind testing this with B-stick, i've tried to do it, but unfortunately failed (with B-stick), probably because i have no clue to properly do it xD
JUST AN UPDATE: Sorry for double post but this was necessary
As I tested further with this I found out that the sticks should not be in the exact position meaning have one slightly lower than the other(C stick lower)... I've been doing this naturally with my fingers... They are kind of weird I guess.
As I tested further with this I found out that the sticks should not be in the exact position meaning have one slightly lower than the other(C stick lower)... I've been doing this naturally with my fingers... They are kind of weird I guess.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Well that's good and helpful to know... I'm consistently getting it now.
Ulevo
Smash Master
This has nothing to do with how far Ness slides. Marth is able to grab Ness while he is sliding, and that is exactly why this Release Grab works. Ness may go out of range after he slides, but while he is sliding, his hurt box is stretched forward and exposed enough to be grabbed again. If Marth shields, he wastes time, and the Ness will finish sliding before he can grab him. That's why your video example is bad. Not because you walk away.
I cannot see this actually working until a real video of a Marth doing this properly is posted up.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to work. But I'd like to be reassured it does.
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