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I AM NOT COLORBLIND!!
Well, it is true that I have never played a true Pikachu main with high skill level. If they say so :D
As a Falcon main and G&W secondary, I can honestly say that G&W does have a really tough time against any good Falcon. Chain grab, easy knee kills make it very tough for G&W. Probably 2-5 for G&W.
Exactly my point. It's slightly less **** than bowser vs puff.
TT's matchup guide said:
and what does that have to do with its legibility?
this is what i said:
no it means its not all-meaningful
sorry i mixed up green and red - it depends on which way you're looking at the chart... i understand this chart - i just didnt word my thoughts well
I had them as 2-5 and 3-5 respectively, I'm going to go with your suggestion.
Meeeee I agree that Fox has an advantage over Sheik somewhat, but that it's so minute at high levels of tournament play that to mark it as 5-4 in fox's favor would be misleading. This is probably one of the most debateable match-ups in the chart though, so we'll see where we go, but for now I'm leaving it at even.
Currently ICies are rated 5-4 against both DK and Sheik. Sheik is a **** machine who needs to avoid getting grabbed, whereas DK is a weird fight because neither character can employ their main strategy of grabbing. Icies have slight advantage in both fights.
Leaving it at 5-3; sheik definitely doesn't **** Marth as hard as 5-2.
It's a pretty darn even fight, but I'll change it to slight marth advantage at 5-4
Going to leave that at 5-4 marth, who can edge-guard CF very well
5-4 is perfect for that match-up, leaving it there.
I think Marth has the edge in a tournament set, because Fox's gay levels are all banned, so Marth can take Fox to levels like FD or DL64 where it's easy to chain-throw. Leaving this one at 5-4 marth for now, but it's highly debateable.
I wasn't pointing it out because I thought it was so obvious, but I'm glad you posted this suggestion for those who are having trouble with the greens.
I certainly would not have expected it, but it's pretty much the concensus among players from both end of the match-up. :shrug:
Thank you, but if you could actually post which match-ups you disagree with it would help me make the chart more accurate much more than just telling me it isn't perfectly accurate. And the colors are meant to not be contrasting.
Definitely not 5-4, but I agree with some of your points, including Sheik's more difficult nature. I'm going to increase this match-up from 2-5 to 3-5, which seems much better.
Thank you.
I actually use Fireworks, not Photoshop, but functionally they are almost the same. And yes, I could easily alter the colors, I choose not to for the original reasons I made my decision.
A numerical representation will also be released at some future date to accompany the chart. I sincerely doubt this will happen until mid-January though, between Holiday plans and a new semester at college.Definitely need a numerical representation, both for our color-blind friends
Otherwise, me likey very much.
Yeah I've been persuaded to change that from 2-5 to 3-5.
I agree, I'm going to swap that to 5-4 Falcon advantage over Luigi.
Currently at 2-5 already
1-5 sounds reasonable upon consideration, though it's quite a drop from the 3-5 I had in there, so it might be somewhere in between. I'll put it as 1-5 for now, since Marth just plain out-ranges G&W, with much better grab, combo, and recovery capabilities as well.
Moving G&W vs Bowser from 5-3 to 5-2. 5-1 seems a bit extreme, since Bowser can fortress spam if nothing else. G&W vs DK is currently marked EVEN, I'm going to increase it to 5-4 G&W advantage. Also changing G&W vs Luigi from EVEN to 5-4 G&W's favor.
Both were marked as even, but 4-5 sounds good for Y.Link, but I'm only going to give Link an advantage of 5-3 for now.
I'm leaving this at EVEN, since you know the advantages icies have, but Falco never has to approach shield-campy ice climbers, and he can also just dthrow them if he feels like it. And if a Falco is trying to pillar on ICs shield, he's an idiot and deserves to get shield grabbed and CT'd to death, since if you shffl nair's at shielding ICies, it spaces perfectly to wear down their shield, hit them if possible, and not get grabbed. Falco can seperate the icies, and assassinate them.
Read the thread Jiggly Match ups. Even Jiggly's can't make up their mind which side of the fence to put this match-up on. I think both characters pose a great threat to the other, and in the tournament scene, the winner will only be determined by who is more talented, with no match-up biases.
Ganon is currently listed as 1-5 against Sheik, which seems appropriate, since he can't do ****, and Link is only one degree higher at 2-5, and he gets CT'd less and also has projectiles, among other things. Leaving those match-ups as-is for now.
Lol? As far as the match-up goes, it's all the dthrow dsmash CT pain that Sheik experiences, only with a character who isn't broken as hell when not being grabbed. It's about as close to 5-0 as a match-up can get, I'm being generous by putting it at 5-1.
Yeah, falco is a godly character, he tends to **** the piss out of people. I'll lower the match-up from 5-4 to 5-3, but Yoshi really has an ace up his sleeve when it comes to being able to kill falco with one down-tilt (and persuant edge hog, which Yoshi is proficient at).
I think 5-3 marth's favor is appropriate. Marth is an excellent combo'er, if Yoshi ever loses his midair against a good marth, he's dead, and a common approach against a good marth requires using your midair, so it's bad news for Yoshi.
Because we're in my world, and in my world, I do things right, instead of stupid.
Changing it from EVEN to 5-4 in Ganon's favor
Sighrax suggested 5-2 G&W's favor. You're suggesting 5-3 DK's favor. There is quite a gap there, but I'm sticking with the change to 5-4 G&W's favor for now...
Generally, the most unbalancing factor is the combination of Jigglypuff's terrible vertical survival capabilities coupled with Pikachu's most powerful up-smash in the game, resulting in 40% deaths.
It already is in a 0-10 scale:
No, it wasn't. See my above reply.
There most certainly can be an even set. If you're having trouble with the idea, just think of dittos, and don't worry yourself over other match-ups that would be more or less even (IE, we could not determine which equally-talented player should win in the match-up). As for "4.5-4.5," nobody has said that but you, but I'll agree that it doesn't make much sense.
All the Ness' seem to agree:
