Brazilian Tier List

[Yonder]

I would mostly agree with Yoshi's placing if he wasn't higher than Luigi.

I mean, come on. Yoshi is definitely NOT better than Luigi. Luigi must be poorly represented in Brazil, because I cannot even begin to think as to how he is placed under Yoshi. =/

Truth truth truth

And Wolf is too high, Yoshi slightly too high, Ganondorf too high, Dedede's too high, Sonic and Fox too low. Peach could lose a spot or two also.

Better than Japan's last In my opinion though!

Interesting how Fox is top in Japan, but botton in brazil.

 

[Uffe]

It's better than the japanese tier list. And... Wolf doesn't deserve to be that high, he get's combo and chain grabbed easily, and he also has a bad recovery. Pit deserves to be higher, great recovery, spammable arrows, F-smash is strong, and has a huge hitbox (especially while walking), and has good start up and low wind down time for a smash. B-air sweetspot, is very strong for a fast aerial move.
Those are just a couple that I will mention. I don't want to write an essay about it. However, it is a better tier list than the japanese.

Wario can get CG'd and GR'd, but that doesn't stop him from being where he is on the list. Wario may be able to air camp, but Wolf has projectile. Though he probably doesn't deserve to be that high up, I don't think CG's and GR's are the reason he's not.

 

[tekkie]

Does anyone have videos of top Brazilian Wolves in tournament? I'm curious to see what you guys have been up to...

this. what are wolf players doing right/mk and dedede and wario and falco and just about every other really high tier doing wrong?

 

[Kool Aid]

i should take a trip to Brazil :D

 

[TheMike]

I'll soon post the best Brazilian videos here. Just wait. :X
For now, I'll bring some nice videos:

Grand Finals of one day @Evo South America/Anime Friends:

Wolf vs Snake(I don't remember in which matches chaud won)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMlzAU1RKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI0hI2BJNyI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPidaJs0670&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0drP8-RZLk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqKGrNLzGX4&feature=related

There are other videos of Chaudgobay. Just seach.
And you guys can also seach for Jão Wolf. Another great Wolf player.


Ike vids:

Ike vs Pit(Evo South America/Anime Friends)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvywmPc45TI

Ike vs Snake(Friendlies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1LSLl5ryc

Ike vs Marth, first match only(@Super Smash Pros Tournament II)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abWiiqykTw8


Yoshi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3YBUf-HjA&feature=related
Sorry for bad quality. This video is a little bit old. But Zero placed good at a torunament in December. I'm waiting for the videos.


One of many Luigi videos(good ones) from Mc$³³: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9u5kKfnAps&feature=related


The most decent Pokemon Trainer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znr9zJ2_JNc
He lost this match. But I'm posting because he's the best Pokemon Trainer in Brazil, but idk if there are matches which he won.

 

[smashkng]

It's not important to care about the very bottom tier characters. Neither Link, Captain Falcon or Ganon are tourney viable at all. Captain Falcon already lose to everyone, plus Ganon isn't too hard to learn unlike Captain Falcon, and tier list are based on tourney results, not how good a character is (though a potentially low tier won't be in the top tier as they are far better). And maybe in Brazil there are too many Pikachu/Sheik/ZSS/IC and that no one plays Fox.

 

[Poltergust]

Uh... I'll just wait until the new videos of Zero go up. That video that you linked is over a year old. >_>

 

[Chuee]

Am I the only one that thinks Diddy is kinda low?

 

[shadyf0o]

How they consider Ganondorf better than Falcon is beyond me, but great find nonetheless!!!

 

[★Chaos★]

ganon should be last
link and capt. falcon could go back and forth

 

[Zigsta]

Fox is soooo low.

Always interesting to see tier lists from other countries.

 

[smashkng]

At least Ganon doesn't require the extreme accuracy to hit that Captain Falcon needs (by far the worst hitboxes in the game). I can't find how can Ganon be considered too high just because being in a 1 spot higher than last.

 

[orange/xd]

Yoshi is way to high IMO.

 

[shadyf0o]

At least Ganon doesn't require the extreme accuracy to hit that Captain Falcon needs (by far the worst hitboxes in the game). I can't find how can Ganon be considered too high just because being in a 1 spot higher than last.

That may be true of Falcon, but he is much faster than Ganon. You can get around small hitboxes through practice. You cannot change Ganon's speed or his crazy lag. He may not require the same accuracy to land a hit, but a missed move for Ganon means inevitable punishment. That is not always the case for Falcon.

 

[DTP]

He's the best Brazilian Peach player. One os his good videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoUHkitLGtc

That MK wasn't overly impressive, but that 2nd stock was absolutely sexy. I like his Peach.


Decent list overall though.
Poor Fox......

 

[JOE!]

Yoshi is way to high IMO.

and why is that?

 

[tekkie]

Yoshi is way to high IMO.

yoshis have done some crazy *** crap. it still blows my mind that he's as low as he is.

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Wolf too high
R.O.B too low
Yoshi too high
Fox too low
Ganon > Falcon?

What a weird Tier list lololol

 

[shadyf0o]

and why is that?

One of the few characters to have a decent matchup with Metaknight for one. His shield is not shieldstabable, and his chaingrabs are pretty beast. But, you should know that if you play Yosh, lol

 

[Poltergust]

His shield sucks, though. Having no OoS options really hurts.

Like I said before, I can actually picture Yoshi being better than everyone below him. Except Luigi. Something is wrong here if Luigi is that low...

 

[Ray_Kalm]

It's not important to care about the very bottom tier characters. Neither Link, Captain Falcon or Ganon are tourney viable at all. Captain Falcon already lose to everyone, plus Ganon isn't too hard to learn unlike Captain Falcon, and tier list are based on tourney results, not how good a character is (though a potentially low tier won't be in the top tier as they are far better). And maybe in Brazil there are too many Pikachu/Sheik/ZSS/IC and that no one plays Fox.

Funny, you care about that the most.

 

[Chuee]

Shielding with Yoshi puts him in a bad situation.

 

[Lightosia]

New Zero vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeeXOytPXgA -> Zero (yoshi) vs Bobesco (MK) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCklHr8DwNo&feature=related -> Zero (yoshi) vs Bobesco (MK) 3



And yeah, no one I can remember plays Fox here....

 

[Bartolon]

Can you name some Ness players over there?

 

[smashkng]

That may be true of Falcon, but he is much faster than Ganon. You can get around small hitboxes through practice. You cannot change Ganon's speed or his crazy lag. He may not require the same accuracy to land a hit, but a missed move for Ganon means inevitable punishment. That is not always the case for Falcon.

Falcon is ONLY fast movement wise, and his frame data is actually very bad (even Bowser has better frame data than Ganon). People forget what can everyone do to deal with projectiles: powershielding.

I am NOT saying Ganon is better than Falcon, I'm saying tier lists will NEVER be perfect when talking about how fair it is. Falcon has less impossible, but still very hard matchups. Meaning Falcon "can" hit doesn't mean he's so good that it's impossible to be lower in the tier list than Ganon. But what I don't like too much is caring about bottom tiers, as they all suck, except Fox and maybe Sonic.

About high tier, the list is accurate except Diddy being that low, and Wolf being that high.

 

[Uffe]

Can you name some Ness players over there?

There's no point. They're all horrible! XD I'm kidding. They probably don't get much of representation over there.

 

[-Mars-]

Sonic in Low tier below Zelda? hell no.

 

[Poltergust]

New Zero vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeeXOytPXgA -> Zero (yoshi) vs Bobesco (MK) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCklHr8DwNo&feature=related -> Zero (yoshi) vs Bobesco (MK) 3



And yeah, no one I can remember plays Fox here....

Hm... well, I don't think he's playing it as well as he should. First off, he has Tap Jump on. That's a big no-no for Yoshi, and it is especially bad since he isn't DRing. Secondly, his DI in those matches were really bad. Almost always horizontal whenever he got hit with a d-smash. Thirdly, he's not momentum-cancelling at all. This combined with his bad DI means that he won't live long at all. He also rarely uses his tilts, uses f-air too often, and never Egg Lays. I guess Brazil is a bit behind the meta-game, at least with Yoshi.

I know this isn't a critique thread, but I wonder why Yoshi is mid-tier with his best player playing like that in Brazil.

 

[Ishiey]

Lots and lots of vids

Thanks

I'm only watching the Wolf ones for now. Heh, Wolf vs Snake on Japes... gotta love it

Some of your Wolf players should pay a visit to the Wolf boards and see if they can learn anything new, even if it's something small. For example, it doesn't seem like they know about shine > jab being a true combo. Great to see the Wolf rep though

 

[Nidtendofreak]

*watches Ike vs Marth video*

*closes link after about 30 seconds*

He was trying to use Fair's handle to hit Marth's face. That is terrible spacing. And the first hit he landed was QD. I'm better than that, and I'm the Worse Ike in Texas.

I sincerely hope that isn't considered a good Ike in Brazil...

 

[VSC.D-Torr]

This is a interesting list

I'll leave it at that

 

[Tikun]

You should look foward more videos b4 telling that someone is bad =T
Globalization show us what a good character is by watching vids on youtube and we know that our players are awesome when it comes to play style.

Gillhe and DemonAid are awesome Ike players.
Djudjo has one peach that blows everyones mind.
Zero does unthinkable things with yoshi.
Lee, Chaud, and all wolf players are improving Wolf's metagame.

And those videos are not friendlys. They were all taken from a Championship that has been watched by more than 100 ppl.

 

[Tikun]

You should look foward more videos b4 telling that someone is bad =T
Globalization show us what a good character is by watching vids on youtube and we know that our players are awesome when it comes to play style.

Gillhe and DemonAid are awesome Ike players.
Djudjo has one peach that blows everyones mind.
Zero does unthinkable things with yoshi.
Lee, Chaud, Kako, and all wolf players are improving Wolf's metagame.

And those videos are not friendlys. They were all taken from a Championship that has been watched by more than 100 ppl.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I know Gillhe is a good Ike, he posts around here. I think you got his name misspelt however.

The one in the video was Docsomethingoranother. His spacing was terrible, even for facing a Marth. He should not be hitting with QD and the hilt of Fair.

 

[Kirby Yellow]

Docsomethingoranother name is Doctor Luigi. This video isn't his best play.

Doc is an awesome player. In Brawl(Ike and Lucas player), Melee(Ganon player) asnd in 64(with Samus and DK, yes, and he RULEZ)

Chaudgobay and Jãojão are the best Wolf mainers here, and they are awesome. Jãojão was second in the last tourney in Rio de Janeiro(Djudjo wins)

Ness mainers here are Lightosia and dede(second). I tried Ness(I play 64 with him) but I prefer Lucas in Brawl =D

And I don't know anyone who mains fox here

 

[Djudjo]

That video Mike posted showing a match between me and Fakinha is a nice one, but as someone here said that was not one of fakinha's best matches, really 8D

There are a lot of other videos of my peach (some of them old, others not) , i'd be pleased if you guys watch those ^^ i have some with me that i intend to upload soon ^^. Hope you like it

 

[*JuriHan*]

holy hell fox so low?! guyz spam u-tilt and d-air moar!

 

[Poltergust]

You should look foward more videos b4 telling that someone is bad =T
Globalization show us what a good character is by watching vids on youtube and we know that our players are awesome when it comes to play style.

Gillhe and DemonAid are awesome Ike players.
Djudjo has one peach that blows everyones mind.
Zero does unthinkable things with yoshi.
Lee, Chaud, and all wolf players are improving Wolf's metagame.

And those videos are not friendlys. They were all taken from a Championship that has been watched by more than 100 ppl.

You're right. Some of the stuff Zero does is quite unthinkable, but not in the way that you mean...

Tikun, based on those videos I can definitely see some room for improvement. If you see him anytime soon, can you give him this advice?

1. Try playing without Tap Jump. He doesn't need to, but it helps a lot with recovery and ECE (he'll know what ECE is). If he still wants Tap Jump, tell him that he should consider using DR since it's easier to do with Tap Jump on.
2. Use tilts and Egg Lay more (especially Dragonic Egg Lay). He seems to be neglecting these moves, which is a shame because they are some of the best in Yoshi's arsenal. He was getting repetitive in the matches, and that's not good for an opponent who is good at predicting.
3. I'm not sure if he was just mistaken in those matches, but he needs to DI better. Horizontal knockback is not good for Yoshi at all, because it makes his recovery extremely predictable. He also needs to momentum cancel with u-air -> fast-fall -> double-jump; he's not doing anything of the sort.
4. Follow up more on chain-grabs. It's always better to up-smash Meta Knight out of a release than it is to f-throw him. Up-smash does more damage and sets up Meta Knight better.

I believe I would see a major improvement in Zero's game if he follows my advice. He's not obliged to, of course.

 

[Fakinha]

I'm the MK that gets ***** by djudjo I didn't played THAAAAT bad that day at Anime Friends I beat snego and R *-*... it was my best day at Anime Friends (the other days i got ***** by any radom. Pathetic ;\) Well, what can I say? Djudjo pwns too much x.x and I almost stoped playing smash I just went to the tourneys... to me it was half of a miracle that I made to the finals... But now I'm returning to my old form. More MKs, more MKs. :B

@tier list.

Some changes at up and mid... IMO, the best tier list made until now.

 

[phi1ny3]

Frankly, Lucario seems pretty good up there, however I want to see how a brazilian Lucario plays, like if they use more Dtilt or fullhop shenanigans.