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Brazilian Tier List
- Thread starter TheMike
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with perfect shield DI ICs could grab everyone out of every move
we are humans, not robots
have u not seen the japanese snake ditto's? first hit ftilt > sdi behind snake > punishes with ftilt > sdi behind snake > and so on. We'll still see snake on 2nd place is my bet. i like what dtl is saying tho about snake.
ZomgNinjah!!!1
Smash Apprentice
Oh snap, Yoshi's mid tier! haha too good
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah I used to think ftilt was impossible to SDI too, until I learned it. Now it's a matter of mixing it up with jab.
MK fair already has proven that it's not what it's cracked up to be, a lot of people have yet to admit it though.
Lucario dair will get ***** soon enough
The world will end...
I'm saying in this current state of the metagame, Snake is going to stay second, people are very read-reliant now in this game, and this isn't exactly bad, it's just the state it is now. However, I think maybe 1-2 tier lists down the road, he'll experience a drop.
Also, SDI unfortunately doesn't favor everyone getting caught in a given attack, some are plainly incapable of punishing a move well, which is why there are still lower tiered characters that get effectively shut down still by G&W with as flawed his tools have become.
MK fair already has proven that it's not what it's cracked up to be, a lot of people have yet to admit it though.
Lucario dair will get ***** soon enough
The world will end...
I'm saying in this current state of the metagame, Snake is going to stay second, people are very read-reliant now in this game, and this isn't exactly bad, it's just the state it is now. However, I think maybe 1-2 tier lists down the road, he'll experience a drop.
Also, SDI unfortunately doesn't favor everyone getting caught in a given attack, some are plainly incapable of punishing a move well, which is why there are still lower tiered characters that get effectively shut down still by G&W with as flawed his tools have become.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Off-topic, well kinda not cuz you just mentioned it, but I can now SDI his Bair to Dair him with Tink. My life is complete.
B.Link
Smash Cadet
I agree there are many good Jiggly players out there same goes for Link and Ganon =]
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Well I would ahve to somewhat disagree with that notion.
While Metaknight's game has evolved very quickly and can be considered more or less complete, what should be said isnt if it will advane further, but whether or not the advances made will show Metaknight to remain as the best character in the game.
Personally, I would believe that he would remain the best character in the game. Not only because of his stalling abilities, but also because of his incredible ability to remain safe. It is extremely hard to force Metaknight inta position where he would be unsafe, simply because even with the ability to DI, the range and speed of his attacks more than make up for it.
While he lacks the raw power of Snake, he makes up for it with his incredible edge guarding game, his extremely safe pokes and his ability to literally trap anyone who attempts to avoid him in the air.
He isnt as flashy as Snake who practically forces you to be amazed at the sheer amount of tools, but the fact of the matter is that facting Metaknight is more of an issue on trying to get the opponent to make na error. Not necessarily exploiting the weaknesses Metaknight has, simply because he has many, many ways to cover up those weaknesses.
He truly does have tons of tools. I believe, however, that unlike Metaknight, that te ools he has (while possibly greater in number), aren't much more effective.
Where as SNake has a superior ground game( at least I think so), I think Metaknight's aerial game which is by far superior, is much more beneficial. Particularly in a game that is based around aerial combat.
Snake also has several weaknesses that he just cannot cover. DDD especially makes great use of exploiting them and we have seen time and time again top Snakes lose out to top DDD's. Simply because DDD just exploits those weaknesses so well.
On the other hand, MK can make up for his weaknesses much more easily
6Mizu
Smash Champion
WOW!?!?! IC's in 5th?
But thay have bad MUs...and what not.
But thay have bad MUs...and what not.
Goldenadept
Smash Lord
not to mention that they take and incredible amount of time and patience to get down and even then one slip up will ruin the match for you and the fact that once you lose nana they're useless.
humble
Smash Ace
In my opinion, MK will remain as the single best character, and snake will drop at some point.
Snake is flawed; his projectiles suck if used at a distance, his aerials are very punishable, his recovery is gimpable (if you say go high, meta says hi with 6 jumps and then just tornadoes you out the top)
Snakes grenades suck when used at a distance, because they are on a timer, and if you can count to 3 seconds, congratulations, you have beaten snakes long range game. Dodge it however you would like, it really doesn't matter because you know exactly when to dodge. Its by far one of the easiest long range projectiles to beat, comparable to Din's fire. His grenades are so excellent when he is up close because he can shut down your options and force an action; at a distance, he can't do that so grenades blow.
His aerials all have very high landing lag, which means he will have to throw them out before he starts to descend, or you could just punish his landing lag. They are all fairly decent, but meta eats them for breakfast in a match, and will **** snake in the air.
If he gets off the stage, he has to up-B; if he starts low, you simply destroy cypher right from his hands; if he starts medium, you jump out and shuttle loop him, then fly into cypher to cancel your glide; if he goes high, you follow him up with jumps, and suddenly you are in prime position to uair, if he dairs you win, if he airdodges you just fall and uair again, and if he pulls a nade you just hit him below the nade and he drops it uselessly. You could just uair him up and then shuttle loop or tornado him out the top; snake loses to meta in the air, so if he recovers high he is boned. If he goes low, he gets easily gimped, and if he goes middle he gets killed.
Snake, in almost every match, should be the one forced to approach, and he doesn't really have good approaches. He doesn't have any tools to beat circle camping, planking, or even air camping.
Oh, and if people learn to shield DI, ICs will begin to dominate more and rise even further.
Snake is flawed; his projectiles suck if used at a distance, his aerials are very punishable, his recovery is gimpable (if you say go high, meta says hi with 6 jumps and then just tornadoes you out the top)
Snakes grenades suck when used at a distance, because they are on a timer, and if you can count to 3 seconds, congratulations, you have beaten snakes long range game. Dodge it however you would like, it really doesn't matter because you know exactly when to dodge. Its by far one of the easiest long range projectiles to beat, comparable to Din's fire. His grenades are so excellent when he is up close because he can shut down your options and force an action; at a distance, he can't do that so grenades blow.
His aerials all have very high landing lag, which means he will have to throw them out before he starts to descend, or you could just punish his landing lag. They are all fairly decent, but meta eats them for breakfast in a match, and will **** snake in the air.
If he gets off the stage, he has to up-B; if he starts low, you simply destroy cypher right from his hands; if he starts medium, you jump out and shuttle loop him, then fly into cypher to cancel your glide; if he goes high, you follow him up with jumps, and suddenly you are in prime position to uair, if he dairs you win, if he airdodges you just fall and uair again, and if he pulls a nade you just hit him below the nade and he drops it uselessly. You could just uair him up and then shuttle loop or tornado him out the top; snake loses to meta in the air, so if he recovers high he is boned. If he goes low, he gets easily gimped, and if he goes middle he gets killed.
Snake, in almost every match, should be the one forced to approach, and he doesn't really have good approaches. He doesn't have any tools to beat circle camping, planking, or even air camping.
Oh, and if people learn to shield DI, ICs will begin to dominate more and rise even further.
Goldenadept
Smash Lord
Its a lot easier to say grenades are easy to dodge and avoid until you're actually facing a barage of them, as well as having your options limited by a mine and c4 as well as snakes broken range, if the snake player is good he'll take all your options and eat them.
Any good snake can find their way out of a juggle as well, its not easy sometimes but its doable. All your examples are on how to play snake as MK, its been known for a while that mk beats snake for the most part, that's why snake is 2nd, not 1st. yet you say snake will drop from 2nd place, thanks to the current 1st? How does that even make sense? snake is 2nd because he has favorable match ups with (almost) everyone below him save for two of them, snake, has above average priority, broken range, better options, a good recovery and doesn't die, if snake were to drop then i'm sure it'd be for a good reason, but none of your reasons made any sense or mattered
Any good snake can find their way out of a juggle as well, its not easy sometimes but its doable. All your examples are on how to play snake as MK, its been known for a while that mk beats snake for the most part, that's why snake is 2nd, not 1st. yet you say snake will drop from 2nd place, thanks to the current 1st? How does that even make sense? snake is 2nd because he has favorable match ups with (almost) everyone below him save for two of them, snake, has above average priority, broken range, better options, a good recovery and doesn't die, if snake were to drop then i'm sure it'd be for a good reason, but none of your reasons made any sense or mattered
humble
Smash Ace
"a barrage of them"? He can have two out at once- hardly a "barrage". His mine and C4 aren't going to be right next to me- if they were, I would have already moved. Snake does have a broken range, but if you read my original post, I said "snakes projectiles suck if used at a distance" he does have ridiculously large hitboxes, but they aren't that large.
How? Please explain how, because right now all you said was that they could, with no backing. It would be akin to me saying "Any good Donkey Kong can find their way out of D3's CG as well, its not easy sometimes but its doable." Yes, I was explaining as to why demonictoonlink was wrong, and MK was in fact superior to Snake. Take for example another matchup, Pit vs. Snake. What is snake going to do if Pit just ledge camps most of the match, gliding under the stage from ledge to ledge? Pit just fires arrows from the ledge, planks, and circle camps- what will Snake do? Nades are laughable in this situation, his C4 while going under the stage, can be avoided by the pit player simply dipping around it, his mine is useless, and none of his broken tilts hit beneath him. To attempt to hit him off the ledge he could try to use aerials, except Pit avoids that easily, just dropping and heading to the other side. Snake lays a C4 right on one ledge? Too bad exploding it is telegraphed ahead of time for Pit to just release the ledge and airdodge. Snake, in fact, has a disadvantage here if people actually played Pit, and played him gay. Snake has great priority and range, but his options aren't all that great, his recovery is very gimpable, and of course he dies; if he didn't, he would be #1. An immortal character would be a little bit broken, don'tcha think? I think they are part of his weaknesses.
Corrupted
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No its really **** or get *****.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
Ganondorf and Zelda are too high
_Rated D.R.K_
Smash Apprentice
Interesting to see how low Fox is, Falco was right Fox was off his game lol.
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
*Looks at Wario's placement*
I am pleased.
Edit: Actually, I thought the D3 placement was quite a bit high, but then I watched a match of one of their D3's. I've never seen a D3 move that fast before.
I am pleased.
Edit: Actually, I thought the D3 placement was quite a bit high, but then I watched a match of one of their D3's. I've never seen a D3 move that fast before.
Anonymous Brawler
Smash Journeyman
We have a tier list? Awesome! When is it going to be updated?
Anonymous Brawler
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, I'm brazilian. My english is pretty bad. Are we the only brazilians in this site?
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Its ashame that while USA might be the better country for brawl, brazil gets more stuff accurate then USA.
While some characters in the list are a lil off, this is more on point than the American tier list.
Brazil>USA
While some characters in the list are a lil off, this is more on point than the American tier list.
Brazil>USA
Yeah. Only Brazilians. 1upsmash is the Brazilian Forums. Por que estamos falando em Inglês? lol
o0 !!!
M@v
Subarashii!
Not too weird I must say. Also, what NintendoFreak said.
If some think hes good
and some think hes bad
Then hes Average
If some think hes good
and some think hes bad
Then hes Average
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Since I only play Melee and Brawl+, I can't argue on the tier list aside of being of the Br Backroom.
Anyway, I've got a little surprised with the most replies in the thread.
Maybe because of some prejudice on Smash Boards from me.
*not sure if everything was spelled right*
Anyway, I've got a little surprised with the most replies in the thread.
Maybe because of some prejudice on Smash Boards from me.
*not sure if everything was spelled right*
Anonymous Brawler
Smash Journeyman
Sei lá. Eu vi no começo que algumas pessoas falavam português. Por que será que elas quiseram aprender?
EDIT: Acho que nós não somos os únicos brasileiros no site não.
o FireBall Stars também é. ^
Existem vários! Temos até um Social Group para os smashers brasileiros, mas nem todos estão lá. Entre lá no 1upsmash que continuaremos a conversa por lá. :]
Against you, FireBall? Aren't you talking about our scene in general? Anyway, this kind of prejudice doens't exist anymore, it used to happen for like 1/5 maybe 2 years ago.
Anonymous Brawler
Smash Journeyman
Meu PC não roda o 1upsmash depois da meia noite. Ele só roda alguns sites depois dessa hora, como a smashboards.
M@v
Subarashii!
Shoot they are talking portugese. I only know spanish XD
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
It's written "from me" in my post Mike, it was my prejudice against swf =PTheMike said:
edit: Portuguese ftw
Oh wow, sorry. -.-''
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Padô
Smash Lord
We ain't got MANY ICs mains, a lot of people second them, and they are still UBER but very dependant from their grabs and CG thing.
wangston
Smash Lord
I've not played enough people in brazil yet to tell you how good their meta game is or how far along they are. I've only been able to make it to one tourney of 21 people but it had two of their best players, Korvash(sp?) and Player 7. They are both good but I could keep up with them. I lost to korv in a mm but it was one stock hi % against his olimar and probally 2 or 1 stock against his ICs lol i don't remember ics are homo against falco. And player 7 I beat his mk in a mm 1 stock then 2 stock, then I played him in tourney and he beat me 1 stock then 2 stock.
I've not played with brazil enough to have an opionion on how good they are.
I've not played with brazil enough to have an opionion on how good they are.
Padô
Smash Lord
I wonder if your reply would change if you came to WttC tournament
wangston
Smash Lord
Probally would have changed. I'm so pissed I couldn't come. 40 people went. Did p7 win, not sure if he did, I can only halfway under stand portuguess.I wonder if your reply would change if you came to WttC tournament
Did you go? if so how was it?
