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Smash Lord
NL, I already get mad at myself when I argue with scrubs.
Don't make me re-consider my admiration for you.
Don't make me re-consider my admiration for you.
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Yea i dont kno why im bothering either. I havent posted in days and i find myself posting in this thread.NL, I already get mad at myself when I argue with scrubs.
Don't make me re-consider my admiration for you.
I'd be careful about making fun of pro smash players when your on a board for competitive smash brothers.It does when you don't have a car.
Oh and 20 credit hours.
I plan on getting a real job not becoming a "pro" smash player. =D
I knew about the single lock awhile ago just didnt bother with it. A Character whos advantage that can be used against him isnt gonna rise up.My theory is that when you go for stretches of not posting on Smashboards, you forget that the majority of the people here refuse to lose an argument, and will go through great lengths not to do so.
Though if you feel like posting, there's something I've been meaning to ask the Diddy mains, and you seem like the perfect person to ask.
With the crazy things coming up all the time in Diddy's game (Single Naner Locking is badass), in my mind, the next tier list has Diddy in top tier, and when the metagame reaches a relative level of maturity, I can see Diddy rivalling Snake and MK for top spot in the game. Pure fantasy, or realistic outlook?
One problem with yoshi though. He cant do basic things like attacking out of shield or jumping out of it like every other characters. For a so called defensive game, his shield game is horrible. Someone who jab cancels or has immense shield pressure he doesnt do good against. He can move up but i dont think to mid tier. Best pivot grab but not one of the best grabs. Those go to D3 Charizard and Olimar. Now grab metagame. Thats something different ^_^Wow, I can't believe the lack of Yoshi acknowledgement in this thread. He has minimal Disadvantages with no hard counters, one of the best Anti-MetaKnight characters out there, a Solid Aerial and Ground game, one of the best recoveries in the game (Anti-Gimping wise), Zero Deaths on Falco/Snake, Armour can be used for Counter Attacks, Grab Release Combos, One of the best Grabs in the game, and a great Physical Defencive game.
How people think Sonic and Jigglypuff are more deserving to move up is just..... insane
Yes, it is, I am not denying that. That however, does not mean his defencive game is. Plus there's always Spotdodging as an alternative.One problem with yoshi though. He cant do basic things like attacking out of shield or jumping out of it like every other characters. For a so called defensive game, his shield game is horrible.
Jigglypuff has a nasty shield pressure game, but ironically she gets completely shutdown by a Pivot Grab and Usmash defence alone. He doesn't need a shield to be good.Someone who jab cancels or has immense shield pressure he doesnt do good against.
What exactly is so different for Dedede's and Charizards Pivots, especially when their regular grabs are better and have more range? I can understand Olimar, but have you even seen Yoshi's Pivot Grab and how fast it works? Plus unlike Olimar, he can actually counter shorthops with it. Plus his Dash Grab is pretty good too. Comes out quick and is the second longest grab in the game.He can move up but i dont think to mid tier. Best pivot grab but not one of the best grabs. Those go to D3 Charizard and Olimar. Now grab metagame. Thats something different ^_^
She has Shield Resting now.... thats about it....I have no idea whats been discovered about jiggs. Someone needs to enlighten me. Sonic i knew since i touched the game.
Well hey we agree about something! Diddy won't be top due to the fact we can throw nanners back. Oh and Oli does have the best grab in the game hands down.I knew about the single lock awhile ago just didnt bother with it. A Character whos advantage that can be used against him isnt gonna rise up.
One problem with yoshi though. He cant do basic things like attacking out of shield or jumping out of it like every other characters. For a so called defensive game, his shield game is horrible. Someone who jab cancels or has immense shield pressure he doesnt do good against. He can move up but i dont think to mid tier. Best pivot grab but not one of the best grabs. Those go to D3 Charizard and Olimar. Now grab metagame. Thats something different ^_^
I have no idea whats been discovered about jiggs. Someone needs to enlighten me. Sonic i knew since i touched the game.
I wasnt talking about D3 and Char's Pivot grabs. I was talkin about their normal grabs. the problem with spotdodging is that it can be punished. Jiggs i wouldnt say has that super ultra defense game. Samus is great against shields. Anyway im not ignorant about yoshi. I fully kno what hes capable of.Yes, it is, I am not denying that. That however, does not mean his defencive game is. Plus there's always Spotdodging as an alternative.
Jigglypuff has a nasty shield pressure game, but ironically she gets completely shutdown by a Pivot Grab and Usmash defence alone. He doesn't need a shield to be good.
What exactly is so different for Dedede's and Charizards Pivots, especially when their regular grabs are better and have more range? I can understand Olimar, but have you even seen Yoshi's Pivot Grab and how fast it works? Plus unlike Olimar, he can actually counter shorthops with it. Plus his Dash Grab is pretty good too. Comes out quick and is the second longest grab in the game.
She has Shield Resting now.... thats about it....
kinda true. But i could say the same for olimar. Grab, dthrow, upsmash to uair to up-b and for alot of other chars. Its the top players who innovates them. Sadly Olimar isnt a deep character. Everything is seen right away except for what the pikmin actually does.Its the same moves over and over =( nanner to dash attack up tilt..
You say that until a good Oli player WAC through one of your smashes to a KO moveI wasnt talking about D3 and Char's Pivot grabs. I was talkin about their normal grabs. the problem with spotdodging is that it can be punished. Jiggs i wouldnt say has that super ultra defense game. Samus is great against shields. Anyway im not ignorant about yoshi. I fully kno what hes capable of.
Shield Resting better not be what she did in melee.
kinda true. But i could say the same for olimar. Grab, dthrow, upsmash to uair to up-b and for alot of other chars. Its the top players who innovates them. Sadly Olimar isnt a deep character. Everything is seen right away except for what the pikmin actually does.
Nothin new. Been done months ago. Stop acting so defensive.You say that until a good Oli player WAC through one of your smashes to a KO move
Lol I'm not? Now look who is flaming. It doesn't have to be new to be surprising. Seriously.Nothin new. Been done months ago. Stop acting so defensive.
sigh forget it moving on.Lol I'm not? Now look who is flaming. It doesn't have to be new to be surprising. Seriously.
No, she doesn't. Take this to the other topic. She doesn't get shut down by those, we have posted how to get past it, we have our top placing Jiggs players on the boards telling you how to get past it, and you still don't believe us.Jigglypuff has a nasty shield pressure game, but ironically she gets completely shutdown by a Pivot Grab and Usmash defence alone. He doesn't need a shield to be good.
That's about it? If counters almost half the moves in the game and is inescapable. Yeah, that's it. -_-JShe has Shield Resting now.... thats about it....
She can interrupt many moves with rest, essentially. From what I understand, she can even rest G&W out of the turtle if done correctly, so that just gives you an indication of what she can do with it. Now, some of the moves she can rest out of are ludicrously hard to do, and it only works if they're in kill percent otherwise the rest will hit them and Jiggs is gonna die from a smash in the face.I have no idea whats been discovered about jiggs. Someone needs to enlighten me.
She has Shield Resting now.... thats about it....
Rest always had invincibility frames. Link me to a thread or something explaining this cause i see nothing out the ordinary.Nah, this resting uses the invincibility frames from rest to rest without having to shield at all. But then there's also shield resting.
Like I said, it's too early to see if this will affect her at all, but it's something to consider.
It's what people used to say about Sonic, only backwards. Fast but no killing priority to go with it. Ike? Killing priority above most if not everyone, but no speed.Honestly, Ike has some **** matchups, little tourney representation, a really "barebone" character with no ATs or anything of the like, easily gimped/comboed, a lot of lag behind a lot of his attacks... he'll be lucky to stay where he is now to say the least.
All been done before. Me and some other ike players exploited him already. Dont think hes goin anywhere. His bair is 8 frames....not really lightning fast.The topic of Sonic moving up on the tier list has been beaten to death, so...
Something tells me that Ike might have a chance of moving up. He's slow as hell, but because he's so ridiculously beastly in his power, not to mention his Bair is like lightning with all the power of any other epic heavyweight KO potential, he closes the gap simple enough between those who slowly rack up damage, and those who get it in a matter of seconds like Ike.
You could start up combos with nairs, grabbing, jabs, grabs, nairs, the like until they get too high up in damage, but it's still a pretty good set-up. And the USmash, while slow, is great for tricking people with it's range and surrounds him entirely in the process. Doubt he'll move up a lot, that'd be kinda crazy. But Ike's got some nice set-ups. And the superarmor on some of his moves comes in handy.
Sums it up.zelda is staying where she is. She cant approach well and her 'spammy f-b' isnt spammy.
Well right now, things aren't looking too bright for him, and Sonic is a sucky character at that, the only difference is he has a bigger fanbase than Ike, and people are actually willing to take him far. I bet you in the next tier list that Sonic will probably be somewhere next to Ike if not already above him.It's what people used to say about Sonic, only backwards. Fast but no killing priority to go with it. Ike? Killing priority above most if not everyone, but no speed.
I've seen some Ikes that were full of just as many surprises as Sonics were. If people represented and devoted to Ike more like we have with Sonic, the difference would be there, I believe.
That's what time is for, and all we can do is wait and see. But I say Ike does have potential to move up, if people are willing to try and take up the task of representing him more and bringing out more of what makes him good over the glaring bad. Just like Sonic.
*shrugs* Who knows. ^^