Dedede Tactical Strategy 20 - IC's Desynchs

dawall250 · Oct 30, 2009

in theory, you can sdi/di out of any multihit move, but in reality, for the faster ones that are like also two hits, it's almost impossible to do consistently. especially for fat characters like us

Jupz · Oct 30, 2009

Yeah as dawall said its fairly hard to do.

What about falco's nair?

Commander_Beef · Oct 31, 2009

Jupz said:
Yeah as dawall said its fairly hard to do.

What about falco's nair?

Meta Knight can do it. I'm not sure about us though.

dawall250 · Nov 2, 2009

if you get hit on the edges of the nair i think you can get out if you react fast enough. however, the attack naturally pulls you inside i believe, so the closer in/slower we react the harder it is to get out.

smasher01 · Nov 13, 2009

no one has any thing to say lets change the topic.

Jupz · Nov 13, 2009

So is that it? Do we have any other moves to discuss?

Commander_Beef · Nov 13, 2009

I guess that's it, the list of moves are somewhere I don't know lol.

Gates · Nov 13, 2009

Did we discuss Warlock Punch?

smasher01 · Nov 13, 2009

is there any thing we can update on the first page?

Jupz · Nov 13, 2009

Yes, I need to update the last two summaries I think. I'll make sure to do that within the next week (exams finish soon! yay

)

Lol, we should do a warlock punch discussion just for gates in case he decides to leave soon

. It'll only be a few days.

WARLOCK PUNCH DISCUSSION GO!!!!

Gates · Nov 13, 2009

Guys, I can't do anything against Warlock Punch. It's too good.

CRASHiC · Nov 13, 2009

It outranges standing grab. I don't know what to do either

Commander_Beef · Nov 13, 2009

It's in fact one of the easiest moves to punish due to the excess startup lag. We can even do a dash attack during the startup lag.

*Beef has woken up*

Ah crap it's too much of a mindgame...we can't even back air it.

Jupz · Nov 13, 2009

I also think even if we shield it, we might get pushed too far back to grab... needs testing.

It may be unpunishable, meaning he can just throw it out in the matchup :o

new spam move from ganon kills at 30% ok

CRASHiC · Nov 13, 2009

I'm gonna post a link in the ganon boards about this. We need help.

Kitamerby · Nov 13, 2009

He has super armor, too. You can't beat it out. It's so gay.

@HomE · Nov 13, 2009

you can do NOTHING to stop the WP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Q72qUFTy0

From a LLOOOOONG time ago, all for lulz, no need to flame <3

The wizkick spikes are still sexy tho

Noobicidal · Nov 13, 2009

@HomE said:
you can do NOTHING to stop the WP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Q72qUFTy0

From a LLOOOOONG time ago, all for lulz, no need to flame <3

The wizkick spikes are still sexy tho

Pretty much this. Ganon's usage of Warlock Punch is similar to say, Falco and his lasers. It's an unbeatable wall that you will NOT get around and sets up kills nicely.

Superspright · Nov 13, 2009

Are you guys serious? Like seriously...This seems like trolling. That move is horrendously bad.

Noobicidal · Nov 13, 2009

Superspright said:
Are you guys serious? Like seriously...This seems like trolling. That move is horrendously bad.

Ganon is srs bizness.

/logic

Now, I may be the most successful troll that has ever graced the Jigglypuff forum, but you're rushing things a bit. We're just getting a few kicks and giggles out of anyone asking for a serious opinion about WARLOCK PUNCH. Yes, the move is horrible; it's bad enough to warrant a joke on the topic without someone audaciously proclaiming that me or anyone else is "trolling". Maybe I'm just crazy enough to think that; who knows?

tekkie · Nov 14, 2009

warlock punch is a *****. i usually just crouch cancel a short hop fast fall air dodge into a taunt-cancelled fsmash (or inhale, depending on your spacing) but it gets really predictable and if they shield it they can punish you with a fully-charged utilt.

@HomE · Nov 14, 2009

tekkie said:
warlock punch is a *****. i usually just crouch cancel a short hop fast fall air dodge into a taunt-cancelled fsmash (or inhale, depending on your spacing) but it gets really predictable and if they shield it they can punish you with a fully-charged utilt.

epic

/100000000000epics

PK-ow! · Nov 14, 2009

Kitamerby said:
He has super armor, too. You can't beat it out. It's so gay.

No it doesn't.

Anyway, you should shield the Warlock Punch, but make sure you are sufficiently close.
If you are close, both Ganon and the target are pushed forward during shieldstun, and you end up in fact closer to Ganon afterward.

From there you can shield grab.

Now you tell me how to beat bthrow (i.e., CG -> ledge -> bthrow).

Superspright · Nov 14, 2009

I wish utilt was controllable. Like, you could double tap it and it would swing it down for maybe 10 damage. Fully charged though it can do its full damage and knockback. At least he would have the option to use utilt instead of having to rely on a few moves. :[

CRASHiC · Nov 24, 2009

Can we go over Marth's recovery????
Last time we talked about Marth, everyone said its impossible to gimp him, but now CPU and Junk are claiming that we **** Marth off stage. I'd like to go over this.

T3h Albino · Nov 24, 2009

Lol. We **** marth when he's NOT ON THE STAGE. Marth has very limited options while on the ledge/offstage. A recovering marth is difficult to gimp, but a marth on the ledge is easy to keep off the stage. This is where the matchup becomes in our favor. If you can keep the marth off the stage *see: not necessarily a gimp* then you will win.

CRASHiC · Nov 24, 2009

Oh, is that what they meant? I completely misunderstood and thought they were talking about gimping Marth and became incredibly confused.

T3h Albino · Nov 24, 2009

Nah man, gimping a really good marth is extremely difficult.

LoganW · Nov 24, 2009

how so????????

Yumewomiteru · Nov 25, 2009

Warlock Punch doesn't have super armor, but it has incredible priority, it can beat out really high priority moves like Snake's Uptilt and MK's Tornado.

Commander_Beef · Nov 25, 2009

"Warlock Punch also has a tiny bit of invincibility at frame 6."

[What the **** am I saying.]

Tekk · Nov 26, 2009

Warlock Punch is broken, we can't do a thing against that.
nuff said

Zhouten · Dec 3, 2009

You guys must be running out of things to discuss, lol.

Tekk · Dec 3, 2009

Not at all, tier *****

Zip. · Dec 3, 2009

o good read zhouten LOL

Jupz · Dec 3, 2009

Yeah we should probs move on. I tested and we can't even punish with upB OOS

any ideas?

Superspright · Dec 6, 2009

Well, I think if the Ganon times it right you will always die to it. So, 3-stocks every time you try to recover. Here comes a RARRWP!!

Jupz · Dec 10, 2009

So, any other ideas? I'm going to get this rolling again because I still have holidays for 7 more weeks. Next week I'll update the whole thread, reading through it I have found a few errors. Any ideas for the next topic?

IC's Desynchs (specific or general)
How to pressure people on the ledge and reduce their options (character specific or general)
Safe ways to get off the ledge (character specific or general)
Zairs

Anything else?

Tekk · Dec 10, 2009

How about ZSS' pieces of armor ?They are hella annoying

Jupz · Dec 10, 2009

Good idea tekk, we'll discuss that. Discussion begin.

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