JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
so what
you know sh3l
sh3l knows max (OTG)
and max knows me =D
you know sh3l
sh3l knows max (OTG)
and max knows me =D
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
- Thread starter otg
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im all the way in mass, i get to play with roman instead.
=]
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Roman.
Smash Champion
play me tomarrow?
on saturdayy
Roman.
Smash Champion
ummm i remember a couple days ago we were talking about...
pill canceling
so is it better than just fulljump pills?
i think it's faster personally and the angle is nice
pill canceling
so is it better than just fulljump pills?
i think it's faster personally and the angle is nice
otg
Smash Master
Good **** Roman, as for whether or not it's better than FJ pills is probably situational. FJ pills can be wavelanded which is awesome, and the biggest problem with what you're doing is to LC the Pill you use up your second jump... and thats pretty disastrous if the pill fails and you get hit with pretty much anything. Nice trick though.
ya know, even with that video (not trying to take anything away), im still going to say pill canceling doesnt exist, because it doesnt.
If it did exist, there would be a way to cancel out the recovery animation of throwing pills. (Which you cant)
The reason why that pilling canceling works is because when you fullhop a pill and try to throw one when you land, there's a small window where you cant throw a pill because you're in the landing animation.
To prove my point, i guarentee you can stand on the ground and throw pills as fast as roman was platform canceling.
Im not trying to rain on a parade, cause that's still a good find (im going to steal that actually, i think i have a use for it), but it's not actually pill canceling.
If it did exist, there would be a way to cancel out the recovery animation of throwing pills. (Which you cant)
The reason why that pilling canceling works is because when you fullhop a pill and try to throw one when you land, there's a small window where you cant throw a pill because you're in the landing animation.
To prove my point, i guarentee you can stand on the ground and throw pills as fast as roman was platform canceling.
Im not trying to rain on a parade, cause that's still a good find (im going to steal that actually, i think i have a use for it), but it's not actually pill canceling.
Roman.
Smash Champion
oh it absolutely isn't a pill cancel
but the angle is great
the pills are going at a constant, quick rate
and you are mobile so if you react quickly you can out prioritize with an aerial or just don't do it lol
but uhhh, yeah... it pretty much is only useful on PS too
but the angle is great
the pills are going at a constant, quick rate
and you are mobile so if you react quickly you can out prioritize with an aerial or just don't do it lol
but uhhh, yeah... it pretty much is only useful on PS too
lol plat cancelled pills, i never bothered doing that,
too situational imho. and like otg said, if you get caught without your second jump you're ****ed, especially vs marth and falcon and other chars, where its really easy for them to reach you quickly
i'de rather just full jump pill or something else.
its much safer and equally if my opinion counts for anything.
but i do think i could find use for it in teams,
too situational imho. and like otg said, if you get caught without your second jump you're ****ed, especially vs marth and falcon and other chars, where its really easy for them to reach you quickly
i'de rather just full jump pill or something else.
its much safer and equally if my opinion counts for anything.
but i do think i could find use for it in teams,
Roman.
Smash Champion
it's not platform cancel, it's edge cancel
and just don't get hit =)
and just don't get hit =)
Roman.
Smash Champion
otg
Smash Master
Yeah I'm def going to try and implement that into my game on PS. It might work on other platform levels as well so I'll try it.
Roman.
Smash Champion
Or, that chain grabbing guide could get some work implemented into it. Go on AIM, I wanna talk to you.
otg
Smash Master
yo my bad roman, I've been at PC in the library all night, like I said I have two tests tomorrow. We'll def discuss this tomorrow/saturday, I'll need as much info as possible.
SmashMac
Smash Lord
Dogy and I debated on pill-canceling a while back on it's usefulness. I tend to do it all the time just because I find it smoother and it's useful in situations, especially when I'm camping someone or running away (like from my brothers for example). If you're camping someone and you can do this it just adds mobility but that's about it. Highly situational, but it's still a good trick to know, especially in pill set-ups.
worcester.
HOLD UP.
We didnt debate on it's usefulness, we debated on its existence. If you could cancel out any animation in pills, that'd be f'n amazing. The thing is you cant. AND YOU KNOW THIS $MAC.
O_O
TODAY'S MY LAST ****ING DAY OF STUDENT MAA****ING TEACHING
*throws a chair* YAYHUZZ
Pine
Smash Ace
nothing funnnn is being talkedddd aboutttttt
HiIH
Smash Lord
Doc has a headband.
Kickass.
Kickass.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
at higher percents it's less reliable, but at 20ish as long as they don't DI both away, you're good. also I was just trying to be fancy on fd, lol. I tried to do uthrow, really late uair, fair two times in that crews vid, the first time I killed myself, and the second time he di'ed the uair away.
otg
Smash Master
Yeah I kinda got that impression. Don't get me wrong, being sexy is what this game is all about, but sometimes efficiency is the way to go. Nice Sd though lol.
lol guys
i like docs dtilt, i find it pretty useful for catching falcons and easily gimpable characters off gaurd,
but its only really useful once theyre at a decent %
against falcon i like to cc a dtilt if they approach with a nair near the edge, it sends them flying backwards wich gives me the oppurtunity to edgegaurd, i know you could do other things to get people off stage, but i find effective ways to use it, and no one really sees it coming
idk, try it out and see if it works for you
(i've tried wavesheilding in on marth and dtilting near the edge to get him off, it does work. )
i like docs dtilt, i find it pretty useful for catching falcons and easily gimpable characters off gaurd,
but its only really useful once theyre at a decent %
against falcon i like to cc a dtilt if they approach with a nair near the edge, it sends them flying backwards wich gives me the oppurtunity to edgegaurd, i know you could do other things to get people off stage, but i find effective ways to use it, and no one really sees it coming
idk, try it out and see if it works for you
(i've tried wavesheilding in on marth and dtilting near the edge to get him off, it does work. )
otg
Smash Master
Eh..... eh... let's not talk about his dtilt. If it works for you, use it. IMO it's slow, has some bad start up/wind down lag, terrible reach, damage ain't to great, easily CCed back at you which puts them either nowhere or right next to you... etce tcetcetecetc. Even if does send people behind you, you probably have better options.
mmm yeah i agree but there are times where i think it can be a better option.
you can def get a grab when you can dtilt,
but the grab is easier to di, and more likely to be di'd properly.
I rather like the way his dtilt hits people for getting them off stages compared to bthrow or fthrow in certain situations. but to each his own i suppose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cm2arPUV0M
dtilt kill.
imho if it was a grab he would have had more options from the throw
(compare the way the dtilt hit to the bthrow at 33 seconds.
(also thats a horrid match rofl.)
LOL IM GOING TO A BAWRL TOURNAMENT TOMORROW D:
-.-
you can def get a grab when you can dtilt,
but the grab is easier to di, and more likely to be di'd properly.
I rather like the way his dtilt hits people for getting them off stages compared to bthrow or fthrow in certain situations. but to each his own i suppose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cm2arPUV0M
dtilt kill.
imho if it was a grab he would have had more options from the throw
(compare the way the dtilt hit to the bthrow at 33 seconds.
(also thats a horrid match rofl.)
LOL IM GOING TO A BAWRL TOURNAMENT TOMORROW D:
-.-
Um. at 'round 100%, u.throw f.air is GUARENTEED on fox. From like ~90%-~108ish%
otg
Smash Master
Desh, just some quick advice. Try to be mobile while playing, alot of the time I see you just standing there waiting for him to come to you. Most spacies will just camp out Doc, so you can't bank on players running up to your face giving you shieldgrabs and what not. Work on those edgeguards, if he phantasm's toward the stage Ftilt his ***.
That's all I see for now.
That's all I see for now.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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I like how Desh changed his screen name to Proper to avoid an admin and otg still calls him Desh.
otg
Smash Master
Well I mean, he tags all his video's DESH, and when he ims me, he refers to himself as Desh. So wtf should I call him?
otg
Smash Master
oh ****, looks like Desh got banned again. **** who is going to update the video thread now...
EDIT:
What's the word on Doc on Jungle Japes?
EDIT:
What's the word on Doc on Jungle Japes?
can someone or multiple people PM wak, to request that i get unbanned, if someone does this could you tell him i will not post in the canada boards ever again. I just need proper unbanned to keep the video thread updated.
So yeah, if one or a few people could send him a PM, tellin him that I need to keep the video thread updated (give him a link), and that i'll never post in the canada boards again if he unbans me.
Plus I was banned for alt account, if hes gonna ban me for it why not just banned everyone who made an alt account to avoid ban. -_-
but yeah,
maybe if some of you guys message him , he'll unban me. Its a long shot, but I wanna keep the vid thread up to date, and if i have to give up posting in the canada boards then im fine with that.
So yeah, if one or a few people could send him a PM, tellin him that I need to keep the video thread updated (give him a link), and that i'll never post in the canada boards again if he unbans me.
Plus I was banned for alt account, if hes gonna ban me for it why not just banned everyone who made an alt account to avoid ban. -_-
but yeah,
maybe if some of you guys message him , he'll unban me. Its a long shot, but I wanna keep the vid thread up to date, and if i have to give up posting in the canada boards then im fine with that.
otg
Smash Master
Why not just message him yourself from one of the 1000 ****ing accounts you have.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Because Wak hates him.
i make these account cuz of him.
if i message him he bans me. i dont think he even reads my msg,
like if it starts with
"its desh"
he just clicks ban.
i tried to contact on msn...he asked me if it was regarding my ban, and before i even answered he said
"yeah it is have a good night" and blocked me. -.-
so me msging him is pointless, and i'll just get banned again. let alone i'de have to make ANOTHER ****ing account. i dont know why he even bans me anymore because he know im just gonna make a new account.
but yeah, its not like im saying you have to, but i'de appreciate it, especially since now all the time i put into the vid thread is gonna be a waste, and now no one can update it.
i really dont have many accounts, normally i only have 1,
but because he keeps banning me i have to continue to make new ones.
and when i try to explain ****,
he and the admins call me a chronic spammer.
although i have no problems with other mods, as a matter of fact im friends with a few.
anyways
im at my cousins place playing BAWRL,
if i message him he bans me. i dont think he even reads my msg,
like if it starts with
"its desh"
he just clicks ban.
i tried to contact on msn...he asked me if it was regarding my ban, and before i even answered he said
"yeah it is have a good night" and blocked me. -.-
so me msging him is pointless, and i'll just get banned again. let alone i'de have to make ANOTHER ****ing account. i dont know why he even bans me anymore because he know im just gonna make a new account.
but yeah, its not like im saying you have to, but i'de appreciate it, especially since now all the time i put into the vid thread is gonna be a waste, and now no one can update it.
i really dont have many accounts, normally i only have 1,
but because he keeps banning me i have to continue to make new ones.
and when i try to explain ****,
he and the admins call me a chronic spammer.
although i have no problems with other mods, as a matter of fact im friends with a few.
anyways
im at my cousins place playing BAWRL,