Pine
Smash Ace
lol people really dunno these things still? or is this a complex game your playing on me
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Roman.
Smash Champion
shoes are made of liquorish
gongbomb
Smash Cadet
does anyone know something about this:
When you're in the tumbling animation, you can push A just before you land (something like 3 frames?) and you'll land in your neutral position without falling on your back and having to roll to get up. I'm curious if you can only do this if you could wiggle out of the tumbling before you land.
I like using the A landing so I don't get tech chased, but I wanna know if I shouldn't be trying it all the time if I'm gonna miss techs.
When you're in the tumbling animation, you can push A just before you land (something like 3 frames?) and you'll land in your neutral position without falling on your back and having to roll to get up. I'm curious if you can only do this if you could wiggle out of the tumbling before you land.
I like using the A landing so I don't get tech chased, but I wanna know if I shouldn't be trying it all the time if I'm gonna miss techs.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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I'm assuming that you're breaking out of tumble with a nair and autocanceling it.
boss8
Smash Hero
ya know what's one thing that'll make that matchup easier for you boss?
ONLY f.air their shield. You can FH d.air if you're going to jump over there, or b.air to zone, but if you intend to hit their shield, fair. That way they cant shield grab you.
I dont know how well that strat works on double shields, but it's the same concept as azen's capfal strat vs chu (i think he was the one who did it, Alpha Gundam told me bout somebody playin chu a while ago)
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Now tell me how the **** to beat a captain falcon with doc.
And a peach.
ONLY f.air their shield. You can FH d.air if you're going to jump over there, or b.air to zone, but if you intend to hit their shield, fair. That way they cant shield grab you.
I dont know how well that strat works on double shields, but it's the same concept as azen's capfal strat vs chu (i think he was the one who did it, Alpha Gundam told me bout somebody playin chu a while ago)
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Now tell me how the **** to beat a captain falcon with doc.
And a peach.
Pine
Smash Ace
really bosS? thats one of my easier matchups :/ just run arouynd like a fool pilling and as dogy said...lay down the first of wrath
what i do against CF
is unfortunately pill a LOT -.-
boring but necessary,
yuo can approach with nair because the end of his nair> yours,
his uair > your dair and nair
i freaking hate approaching falcon cuz of docs horrible reach D:
once you get in though with good pill spamming i just go for cgs and grab combos to rack up enough damage, as soon as i can i get them off the stage and gimp their *** -_-
****dtilt works if they approach with a nair near the edge!!!
just cc the nair and dtilt, if they have like 70% (could be wrong on %) it hits him off the stage in an awesome angle that really only allows him to recover from below D:
dont try it if you think im wrong but its worked a lot for me in the past.
(70% is probably pushing it, but it works)
i know i dont need to help you edgegaurd lol.
or play the match up in general. but thats my take on it. =/
otg
Smash Master
Boss I felt you handled that matchup pretty well. But yeah, pressuring Icy's Shields with Fair is probably the best way to go. Fair->dsmash ***** shields.
When fighting the Icies, you want to separate them and than punish the crap out of one of them. Now the question is.. why one? A lot of the time I feel KOing/edgeguarding Nana is the safest option because fighting Popo alone is much easier to deal with than both of them alive. Now granted, you could say taking out Popo first guarantees a stock, but if you mess up and he is able to regroup with Nana than you have to find a way to freaking separate them again! Weird fight IMO
When fighting the Icies, you want to separate them and than punish the crap out of one of them. Now the question is.. why one? A lot of the time I feel KOing/edgeguarding Nana is the safest option because fighting Popo alone is much easier to deal with than both of them alive. Now granted, you could say taking out Popo first guarantees a stock, but if you mess up and he is able to regroup with Nana than you have to find a way to freaking separate them again! Weird fight IMO
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
go falcon vs icies =D
and knee alot
and knee alot
ranmaru
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For some reason, I think I like Peach matchups. (when I say that, I mean over shiek fights) Of course, I'm always caping when they throw their nasty vegetebles at me, and I love Dthrow > uair :3.
I do have the mistake of hitting people, and then they shield (mostly fair I think) but this peach didn't, wow. I need to get rid of that habit though.
Also, against Icies, I had trouble against one, but I did ok. They did regroup at times when I thought Nana was going to die (thats one reason why I stopped fighting lvl 9 coms so much). Oh, and yes, sadly, I got grabbed, and wasn't let go. D:<
Roman.
Smash Champion
it's just a priority war against falcon
you can kill every nair approach with an utilt
you can kill every fair approach with a grab
the only problem with falcon is to not get mindgamed cause he can combo you
but if you mindgame them then you have just as good combo ability even with platforms
and dtilt sounds like a terrible idea
you can kill every nair approach with an utilt
you can kill every fair approach with a grab
the only problem with falcon is to not get mindgamed cause he can combo you
but if you mindgame them then you have just as good combo ability even with platforms
and dtilt sounds like a terrible idea
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
timing a utilt to out prioritize a nair
takes in-human reaction time and speed
falcons dd'ing and speed are just too quick to
just predict it coming and "out prioritizing" it
takes in-human reaction time and speed
falcons dd'ing and speed are just too quick to
just predict it coming and "out prioritizing" it
elvenarrow3000
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Why is
everyone
typing like
this?
everyone
typing like
this?
Pine
Smash Ace
because you
feel more like
a pro when
you space things out
thats why
dogy has a wall
of green text
feel more like
a pro when
you space things out
thats why
dogy has a wall
of green text
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Iii... call so many shenanigans on that style of writing. So many.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
stop hating on it.
just do it.
its fun, and once you start,
you cant stop.
just do it.
its fun, and once you start,
you cant stop.
Roman.
Smash Champion
no, it doesn't
you obviously just said that because you think it does
but it doesn't
and if you tried it out
you'll realize
it doesn't
utilt stays out for a long time
gg
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
i know it stays out a long time,
but what makes you think im just gonna jump into it?
if it was so easy jiano wouldnt have ***** chu like he did.
but what makes you think im just gonna jump into it?
if it was so easy jiano wouldnt have ***** chu like he did.
HiIH
Smash Lord
What makes
you think
you won't jump into it?
you think
you won't jump into it?
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
im not stupid?
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
upsmash owns
otg
Smash Master
*facepalm*
Pine
Smash Ace
those cats are quite worrysome
especially the ? one
doc owns
especially the ? one
doc owns
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
lolcats.com
unknown522
Some guy
I hate that matchup too. It's really slow-paced (slower than most of doc's matchups). Both people usually try to slowly make their way in, and get some gay kill/gimp. Spam bair, and try not to be on the ground. Don't throw too many pills, it will get you gimped by downsmash. Fair their shield, down smash when you are sure it will hit, and back throw when they are together, but not in sync.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
transparent pixel eh?
smart move
smart move
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Guys I noticed it's possible to reach the middle platform of YS with the tornado recovery. (just stand in the middle of the stage, press down and mash b fast like hell)
it's really hard tho. can anyone do it consistently?
it's really hard tho. can anyone do it consistently?
yeah, that's how you test if you can ptp.
If you get all the presses, you actually pop a little bit over the platform.
If you get all the presses, you actually pop a little bit over the platform.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
you can also get there from an up-b WINK WINK
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
doc combos:
The MIX - Fullhop a pill, let it bounce over the opponent's head, then hit them into the pill with a strong move and then use it as a combo launcher to launch your next smash hit! make your friends go, "ooohhhh!"!
edit: named after doc extrordinair "MIX"
uthrow to yodel - can be used in any situation at any percent. Doc's equivalent to the shine. Grab the opponent, uthrow them, and . Pretty much self-explanatorystart a tornado as they come down. The first hotbox doesn't stun so you might want to start it sonner to trap them in the chaos.
chain grab, utilt, uair,uair,wavedash, upb cancel - can only be done on spacies, but is devastating on spacies. If this doesn't work you can charged f-smash them. Wroks best on spacies (fox falco and roy)
utilt to fsmash - guaranteed on ganondorf, good follow up is down smashing for an edgeguard, no other actions necessary Pretty much self-explanatory.
general tips:
Good stages to pick are small stages 2 take away platforms. Captain falcon likes 2 jump at u with the down air to bounce u up 4 a combo. If he does this then w.d. backa tiny bit and grab him from tha side,
there you have it folks!! [/img]
The MIX - Fullhop a pill, let it bounce over the opponent's head, then hit them into the pill with a strong move and then use it as a combo launcher to launch your next smash hit! make your friends go, "ooohhhh!"!
edit: named after doc extrordinair "MIX"
uthrow to yodel - can be used in any situation at any percent. Doc's equivalent to the shine. Grab the opponent, uthrow them, and . Pretty much self-explanatorystart a tornado as they come down. The first hotbox doesn't stun so you might want to start it sonner to trap them in the chaos.
chain grab, utilt, uair,uair,wavedash, upb cancel - can only be done on spacies, but is devastating on spacies. If this doesn't work you can charged f-smash them. Wroks best on spacies (fox falco and roy)
utilt to fsmash - guaranteed on ganondorf, good follow up is down smashing for an edgeguard, no other actions necessary Pretty much self-explanatory.
general tips:
Good stages to pick are small stages 2 take away platforms. Captain falcon likes 2 jump at u with the down air to bounce u up 4 a combo. If he does this then w.d. backa tiny bit and grab him from tha side,
there you have it folks!! [/img]
how the **** do you have a combo that works on fox, falco, and ROY.
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Pine
Smash Ace
cuz i think he was serious
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
lol i clicked it
took me like 5 minutes to get out lol
took me like 5 minutes to get out lol