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Pro enough to beat me D:? I want moar matches.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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otg
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lol Jona, gtfo the internet for a minute dude. lol. Still though, Doc >>>>>>>>>>>> Roy anyday of the week. In fact let's prove it right now *goes to call jona*.
Also, DK >>>>>> Roy. Bthrow->Bair->UpB at 0%? Your dead *****.
Also, DK >>>>>> Roy. Bthrow->Bair->UpB at 0%? Your dead *****.
Donkey Kong? Get that overgrown african american baby out of here.
otg
Smash Master
shouldnt it be estoy es mono azul?
or are you saying you too?
or are you saying you too?
ranmaru
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Awesome AW 2 Avi, Dogy. :3
Is it bad to use too much pills? Although, I notice I haven't been throwing out much, and I start pilling and it doesn't really do much. Is it better to pill when the opponent is higher in percent damage? :3
Is it bad to use too much pills? Although, I notice I haven't been throwing out much, and I start pilling and it doesn't really do much. Is it better to pill when the opponent is higher in percent damage? :3
Im guessing you mean my sig?
Yes, Counter Break is too good. **** a city, ill **** your **** like you're on a road.
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Pills.
Too many? **** no.
Poor spacing? Yes.
It is perfectly fine to throw pills all day long if your opponent cannot or is not doing anything about them. However, if you keep throwing pills and you keep getting ***** because you space poorly, or because they're reflecting them or punishing you through the pills (etc etc) then yes, abbreviate that **** and move on to something else.
Yes, Counter Break is too good. **** a city, ill **** your **** like you're on a road.
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Pills.
Too many? **** no.
Poor spacing? Yes.
It is perfectly fine to throw pills all day long if your opponent cannot or is not doing anything about them. However, if you keep throwing pills and you keep getting ***** because you space poorly, or because they're reflecting them or punishing you through the pills (etc etc) then yes, abbreviate that **** and move on to something else.
ranmaru
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Yeah, I meant your siggy. :3 Gritt if my favorite Ko, he is so awesome! I have a map I made out of boredom, if you would like to see it. :3
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Alrighty. Jump then pill is fine, right? :3 Thanks in advance.
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Alrighty. Jump then pill is fine, right? :3 Thanks in advance.
@Dogy: yeah, nice sig ^_^
@Arc: Hey, my doc was the only char I did beat you with. I'm entering a busy stretch of school, but I'd def wanna play you more.
re pills: yeah, as long as you use them right, use as many as you want. The problem is that it's hard to spam them correctly for a long period of time, especially against falcon and marth ^__^
@Arc: Hey, my doc was the only char I did beat you with. I'm entering a busy stretch of school, but I'd def wanna play you more.
re pills: yeah, as long as you use them right, use as many as you want. The problem is that it's hard to spam them correctly for a long period of time, especially against falcon and marth ^__^
sorry for double post:
sumo: full jump pills are the most mobile, short hop pills are the safest, and grounded pills are only good if it's the only way to get the pill where you want it. Be able to use all three appropriately, and don't use the same pill tech all the time, unless you're using it appropriately all the time.
(I usually double pill, but I've learned when to just SH pill, and I use grounded pills to pressure people grabbing the ledge, as I know it's trajectory the best)
sumo: full jump pills are the most mobile, short hop pills are the safest, and grounded pills are only good if it's the only way to get the pill where you want it. Be able to use all three appropriately, and don't use the same pill tech all the time, unless you're using it appropriately all the time.
(I usually double pill, but I've learned when to just SH pill, and I use grounded pills to pressure people grabbing the ledge, as I know it's trajectory the best)
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
I was at a tourney this last weekend and I have expanded doc's metagame significantly. At the start of every single game, without exception, I did a standing pill. Even if it was teams and I spawned next to my teammate, or even if I spawned facing away from the enemy, easily 3 out of 4 games, the standing pill hit the enemy. And I was punished for it literally zero times. I was playing some friendlies later and I would announce my intention to Standing Pill, and it still worked, and I was still never punished. I'm tellin you guys, this right here will move Doc even higher up the tier list.
ranmaru
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Wow, how'd you do that?!? :o
I lol'd
eighteenspikes
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like on FD and I spawned on the edge and my teammate spawned in the next slot in. I think that happens if your team has slots 1/2 or 3/4
JonaDiaper
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WHAT roys b move ***** dk so bad
and then i got you with a fully charged one
lol noob
thats what im sayin
lol
poor spanish speaking skill
dont go to mexico
-Offtopic AW rant-
I love Gritt too, but I love him cause he's just too **** good. I mean, he's banned in competitive play for a **** good reason. Nowhere near as much as Colin, though. That ******* is just gay. XD
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As for pills. Any kind will do if they're doing what you want to accomplish.
FH pills spend more time in the air, so it deters people from jumping around them. Ground pills stay at your height, so that keeps people from running in. SH pills let you move while you throw ground pills.
There are a few more tricks that go to pills, too, but i'll keep those to myself for now. >.> *RUNS AWAY!*
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
hmm pretty sure you can't edgecancel pills
i've never been a believer in platform/edge/ledge cancelled pills. Im not saying that it doesnt work, im just not a believe that they dont exist. I've had this debate with $mac time and time again.
The reason why I say it doesnt exist cause landing on the ground doesnt cancel anything from the pill animation. Because of that, it doesnt matter whether you land on a platform or not, you've still got to go through that animation.
However, the reason why people say it works (and why, techincally speaking it does), is actually because of a mechanic when you do fullhop pill.
When you do a fullhop pill (like, jump and immediately do a pill) there is a window of time while you come down that you cannot throw another pill. That's because you go into the landing animation. Landing on going off of an edge delays you for a bit, which allows you to throw another pill asap.
Because of that, "edgecancelled" pill would come out as fast as throwing 2 pills asap.
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And $mac has always been like "Dogy, guess what. You're doing it wrong".
The reason why I say it doesnt exist cause landing on the ground doesnt cancel anything from the pill animation. Because of that, it doesnt matter whether you land on a platform or not, you've still got to go through that animation.
However, the reason why people say it works (and why, techincally speaking it does), is actually because of a mechanic when you do fullhop pill.
When you do a fullhop pill (like, jump and immediately do a pill) there is a window of time while you come down that you cannot throw another pill. That's because you go into the landing animation. Landing on going off of an edge delays you for a bit, which allows you to throw another pill asap.
Because of that, "edgecancelled" pill would come out as fast as throwing 2 pills asap.
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And $mac has always been like "Dogy, guess what. You're doing it wrong".
Omni_Smash
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Ooooh, pill debates.
I might as well pose a question, Mario Vs. Doc is a match I play frequently from both sides so any advice on Pill vs. Fireballs? (from the doc end) The trajectory seems to trade for the usefullness of the pills at times and the fact that fireballs do random crap.
For instance when I play "Guyy" a local doc who isn't on here, we would both throw our projectiles at the same time and my fire ball would go under his pill... he sheilded the pill but due to the weird angle it shield bounced and hit him as soon as he let down his shield to jump/move.
So any advice from you med school guys? :D
I might as well pose a question, Mario Vs. Doc is a match I play frequently from both sides so any advice on Pill vs. Fireballs? (from the doc end) The trajectory seems to trade for the usefullness of the pills at times and the fact that fireballs do random crap.
For instance when I play "Guyy" a local doc who isn't on here, we would both throw our projectiles at the same time and my fire ball would go under his pill... he sheilded the pill but due to the weird angle it shield bounced and hit him as soon as he let down his shield to jump/move.
So any advice from you med school guys? :D
elvenarrow3000
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I've never seen a pill bounce off of a shield.
Also, pills > fireballs.
Also, pills > fireballs.
elvenarrow3000
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I've never seen a pill bounce off of a shield.
Also, pills > fireballs.
Also, pills > fireballs.
Pills vs Fireballs is opinion. Period.
Pills have a trajectory that makes it easier to keep people out of the air. Fireballs do better at covering the ground.
Pills are easier to get going and have all sorts of multiple angles going, locking down different lanes. Fireballs dont bounce alot so it's easier to have multiples going at one point.
Hell, if you want look at the debate of pills vs fireballs, you have to look beyond the projectiles and go to the characters. If you go there, and you forced me to pick one, i'd have to go fireballs.
Because Mario can fireball approach and punish moveouts with u.air, d.air, AND F.SMASH where as doc can really only punish with u.air and d.air.
Pills have a trajectory that makes it easier to keep people out of the air. Fireballs do better at covering the ground.
Pills are easier to get going and have all sorts of multiple angles going, locking down different lanes. Fireballs dont bounce alot so it's easier to have multiples going at one point.
Hell, if you want look at the debate of pills vs fireballs, you have to look beyond the projectiles and go to the characters. If you go there, and you forced me to pick one, i'd have to go fireballs.
Because Mario can fireball approach and punish moveouts with u.air, d.air, AND F.SMASH where as doc can really only punish with u.air and d.air.
HiIH
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Pills really help with stopping approaches/limiting your opponents. It's kinda like Link's boomerang, it lets you become in control of where your opponents are. You can force a Marth to start throwing out aerials to stop pills, that way you kind of limit Marth to getting hit with pills, staying in the air, or risk getting punished for tilting them.
AKA, controlling space. That's how I think I try to use them anyway.
AKA, controlling space. That's how I think I try to use them anyway.
Omni_Smash
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Hey thanks Dogy,
Oh and elven I meant to say that my fireball bounced off his shiled O_o heh, don't know why I typed it the way I did.
Oh and elven I meant to say that my fireball bounced off his shiled O_o heh, don't know why I typed it the way I did.
"i've never been a believer in platform/edge/ledge cancelled pills. Im not saying that it doesnt work, im just not a believe that they dont exist. I've had this debate with $mac time and time again.
The reason why I say it doesnt exist cause landing on the ground doesnt cancel anything from the pill animation. Because of that, it doesnt matter whether you land on a platform or not, you've still got to go through that animation.
However, the reason why people say it works (and why, techincally speaking it does), is actually because of a mechanic when you do fullhop pill.
When you do a fullhop pill (like, jump and immediately do a pill) there is a window of time while you come down that you cannot throw another pill. That's because you go into the landing animation. Landing on going off of an edge delays you for a bit, which allows you to throw another pill asap.
Because of that, "edgecancelled" pill would come out as fast as throwing 2 pills asap.
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And $mac has always been like "Dogy, guess what. You're doing it wrong"."
Meh, I'm with $mac on this one. It seems to work, and it's great for improving pill mobility, even if the pills don't come out any faster. >_<
The reason why I say it doesnt exist cause landing on the ground doesnt cancel anything from the pill animation. Because of that, it doesnt matter whether you land on a platform or not, you've still got to go through that animation.
However, the reason why people say it works (and why, techincally speaking it does), is actually because of a mechanic when you do fullhop pill.
When you do a fullhop pill (like, jump and immediately do a pill) there is a window of time while you come down that you cannot throw another pill. That's because you go into the landing animation. Landing on going off of an edge delays you for a bit, which allows you to throw another pill asap.
Because of that, "edgecancelled" pill would come out as fast as throwing 2 pills asap.
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And $mac has always been like "Dogy, guess what. You're doing it wrong"."
Meh, I'm with $mac on this one. It seems to work, and it's great for improving pill mobility, even if the pills don't come out any faster. >_<
Pine
Smash Ace
pills suck anyway...use more down tilts
Roman.
Smash Champion
dtilt -> dtilt should be an infinite
Pine
Smash Ace
it is with perfect frame dtilts...dtilt , dtilt cancel, turn around, repeat...it works forever if you are fast enough at dtilt canceling
Roman.
Smash Champion
and once they get spiked, just be all flashy with wavedtilts across the map to the beat of Rok The Dance Floor
Pine
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dtilt canceling is one of docs oldest and most used tactics braah
only masters of the craft can teach you
only masters of the craft can teach you
Roman.
Smash Champion
craft macaroni and cheese?
multidtilting is the hardest AT in melee
multidtilting is the hardest AT in melee
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Hmmm interesting. It'd be pretty useful (to take my doc to da next level :3 ).
JonaDiaper
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lol pillaring with dtilt would be so sexy
Pine
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it takes years to master sumo....im sorry but i dun think you are up to the challenge