JPOBS
Smash Hero
LMAO sinji goes hard
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Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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I guess Sinji making a post that made sense was a little too suspect
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Not to discredit him, but that made a little too much sense. Gotta love the Fox boards!
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
oh my god
*dead*
oh my god
*dead*
Sizzle
I paint controllers
xD .
unknown522
Some guy
lol wow. Guys rippin on sinji
Pi
Smash Hero
raynex are you going to apex? MM my samus?
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
If you're getting CC shined, one of two things is usually happening: you're nairing at him when you shouldn't be (try to nair him to cut his SHL, and not when he's just chillin on the ground), or you didn't space your bair properly.
More straightforwardly, drill beats crouch cancel shine.
More straightforwardly, drill beats crouch cancel shine.
Jake13
Smash Lord
Are you sure drill at low% always beats cc shine?
It feels like it should but at 0% I get ccshined more than not. Then again sometimes I don't ff. Iono if it matters tho
It feels like it should but at 0% I get ccshined more than not. Then again sometimes I don't ff. Iono if it matters tho
voorhese
Smash Master
well of course fast falling matters.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Also has to do with the number of drill attacks hit before you land.
More drill hit confirms = greater ratio of hitstun:lag = more chance of success.
Less drill hit confirms = smaller ratio of hitstun:lag = less sucess
more drills also gives them more time to sdi, but they are CC'ing, they probably aren't sdi'ing.
it also depends on what you're doing after the drill, faster things like drill->shine will work more often than slower things like drill grab.
More drill hit confirms = greater ratio of hitstun:lag = more chance of success.
Less drill hit confirms = smaller ratio of hitstun:lag = less sucess
more drills also gives them more time to sdi, but they are CC'ing, they probably aren't sdi'ing.
it also depends on what you're doing after the drill, faster things like drill->shine will work more often than slower things like drill grab.
crush
Smash Master
I often cc and sdi at the same time and then follow up with a well timed "come at me bro"
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Rofl Sinji, I used to do that in the Brawl General Discussion, like, plagiarize a post on the last page that got some replies and made a lot of sense, see what would happen.
Only got noticed two times.
Only got noticed two times.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
No, you cannot cc shine drills, period. Drill puts you into a flinch animation no matter what, and barring SDI will combo into shine.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Sinji isn't gonna come back to this thread for a while.
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When people talk about waveshining out of shield, do they mean shine OoS into a wavedash, or wavedash OoS into a shine? Or does either one count?
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Waveshine out of shine as in shine OoS into wavedash
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O___O
Well that's much more difficult, then. That'd require a near-perfect (if not perfect) shine OoS...
Well that's much more difficult, then. That'd require a near-perfect (if not perfect) shine OoS...
JPOBS
Smash Hero
indeed, but if they are holding down and mashing shine, it can on occaion beat your drillgrab or drilluptilt or somehting
voorhese
Smash Master
Sauce Boss
Smash Journeyman
At the moment. I'm having no luck with multishining with fox. I'm trying to find an efficient way to multishine as fox. Any tips/pointers/advice?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Yes I am, and I accept. Should be fun!
A few people have already dropped good advice, so I think your question has been more or less answered. To reiterate what has already been said / give my 2 cents:
Against a Falco that blatantly sits there and crouches, dair (can't be CCed) and grab are your best options. If you really want to be fancy you can do a late nair into most of Fox's moveset
. Dair has less range than nair, but is great when you're aiming for a fixed location. Nair is still awesome when trying to overshoot against DDs, so don't be afraid to use it. They can't always hold down!
A cool trick when you have a Falco cornered near an edge: Approach with nair, but purposely place it a bit short of the opponent. If they CC it, you've spaced yourself and Falco's shine will miss, resulting in a free grab. If they block your nair, go into standard shine pressure. This doesn't work as well midstage because Falco's are always running backwards, and if you nair short of your target you've gained nothing. Cornering your opponent is always a plus.
Just try to be mindful of when you can take advantage of obvious attempts to CC, and dair when you find openings in his defense.
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are you going to RoM4? i'm probably going to Apex too but I'd like to play you before then.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
aren't those drills improperly done? as in too early or like the planets align and instead of asdi away your opponent is rapidly mashing down b. I thought late driill into shine, if they don't DI out, was a 100%
voorhese
Smash Master
just try to shine twice, thats the extend of multishining you really need. and to practice just press b, lift your finger to y, then hit it while sliding down to b again
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Yea it is, but you won't always get perfect drills. i'm just explaining why all drills aren't created equally.aren't those drills improperly done? as in too early or like the planets align and instead of asdi away your opponent is rapidly mashing down b. I thought late driill into shine, if they don't DI out, was a 100%
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
yea and on top of that, it just becomes even easier 4 you to Asdi away which is what you normally do. I don't know why ppl would be trying to CC shine during a fox dair.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Fox needs Falco's Dair.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Probably, but it would take away drillshine, which is one of my favourite things to do!
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
Not for the first 2-3 dairs it wouldn't.
Sinji
Smash Master
Fox needs back his gun from 64.
Palpi
Smash Hero
voorhese
Smash Master
Sinji you got some splainin to do
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
yea srsly
tryna sneak back in dis betch
tryna sneak back in dis betch
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Fox mains being greedy. Sheesh. SHDL WITH STUN?
voorhese
Smash Master
crush
Smash Master
Explain nao Sinji.