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RaynEX

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Wow. Is this easy/consistent enough that it's worth actively trying to run into it?

And are there any other moves (for any character) that you can apply this tactic to?
DK's often throw out bair without thinking about which hitbox they will get. It's his only real panic move outside dtilt (comes out relatively fast and pushes opponents away.)

Once you identify the visual cues, every bair attempt is a free in. It becomes less of a keep away tool and more of an opening for Fox to begin his offense.

Vs. Marth:

Risky business. If he nairs, you've just given him free damage . If he fairs and he tips or spaces it, you've given him free damage. Running straight in is good to **** up his spacing and force him into close range, but you have to get in there before he swats you away. If you can run right into him when he fairs, you can CC and shine him. Any other move will be too slow to connect I think. Also, because landing cancels his hitstun, no follow-ups are guaranteed. You have to ask yourself, is running directly into Marth's grab range for a shine really worth it?

But yeah, it works.

Vs. Puff:

Run in, hold diagonal down+forward on her nairs. At kill percents you can utilt her before she glides away. Turns every stray nair into a kill opportunity at high percents. We all know how difficult it is to find openings on a solid Jiggs. :mad:


There's so many more I've had success with. Too many to count. Think of a character, apply some simple reasoning, and you can utilize the dash CC too.

Other moves that come to mind:

-Mario/Doc's nair at mid-low percents
-Roy as a character
-Link/Young Link's nair
-Sheik's fair at very low percents
-Sheik's ftilt
 

omgwtfToph

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"Roy as a character" rofl

cool stuff, I'll try it out :o

I do the running shine thing vs Marth a lot though, and abuse the cc, so I guess it's something I'm already doing...?
 

battousai555

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In order to waveshine->upsmash Marth, do you have to dash->JC upsmash after the waveshine?

This is the only way I've been able to get it to work, so I'm hoping there's another way that's easier for me to do consistently.
 

TemPesT-

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In order to waveshine->upsmash Marth, do you have to dash->JC upsmash after the waveshine?

This is the only way I've been able to get it to work, so I'm hoping there's another way that's easier for me to do consistently.
that is the easy way imo. i always thought fox could just normally waveshine upsmash a marth, but maybe thats only if they di the shine inwards or with no di at all.
 

EWC

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In order to waveshine->upsmash Marth, do you have to dash->JC upsmash after the waveshine?

This is the only way I've been able to get it to work, so I'm hoping there's another way that's easier for me to do consistently.
It's possible to do it just by making your waveshine really long, but honestly it's way easier just to run and upsmash. Especially if it's reverse.
 

RaynEX

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If you get a running start on the shine you don't have to dash. You can do it after the WD, or walk a bit and do it.

But to really **** the match-up you have to learn the dash->JC
 

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*using psychic powers*

RaynEX will say he didnt make this sig and that some other canadian (whose name i cant divine) made it. He will then say that the pictures are all from the pound4 top 48 and make the logical leap to saying that it is a sketch filter from those images.
 

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What percentage should i stop chain grabing falco. im guessing its 50% but im not sure. Any Advice.
 

omgwtfToph

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LOL I swear this gets answered every 10 pages. But I don't blame you for not wanting to sift through old pages, so

If he keeps DI'ing, you keep chaingrabbing. Forever. Until usmash KO's.

If he stops DI'ing, then at 50% you have to utilt. Utilt ALWAYS combos into utilt until 75%. Then you can do one aerial into usmash, or one aerial into another aerial.

That's pretty much all you need to know. From there, experiment
 

JPOBS

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you can also just uptilt->regrab when they di away on the uptilt and then just rinse repeat either uptilting or regrabbing until they die depending on how they choose to di.
 

PB&J

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at the beginning of rom 3 was sucking against captain falcon, day 2 , i was ****** captain falcon..maybe more sleep...idk

teach me how to me consistent against that american character cf..please
 

JPOBS

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yo trahhh i wanted to play you at rom but sleepyK was rocking your tag the whole time and i couldnt find you

wanted to play vs all of my Fox Q&A homies.
 

MarsFool!

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at the beginning of rom 3 was sucking against captain falcon, day 2 , i was ****** captain falcon..maybe more sleep...idk

teach me how to me consistent against that american character cf..please
i watched some recent videos of you and i noticed that you try to cc down airs too much and you cant do that against c falcon. Like every time you took +-40 damage >_<
When i see more I'll get back to ya!

If c fal tech chases you, the next reaction should not be to tech in place, stand up place, and depending if youre on the edge i recommend rolling towards it. Now if falcon dash dances away hes probably gonna come back with the knee in which case youre kinda ****ed anyway.
 

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Falcon is my favorite match-up. I am confident my fox can beat any falcon not named tom, darkrain, ss or hax.

Edit- and I'm coming for u tom!!!
 

RaynEX

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RaynEX is your signature a sketch drawn or just a sketch filter?
*using psychic powers*

RaynEX will say he didnt make this sig and that some other canadian (whose name i cant divine) made it. He will then say that the pictures are all from the pound4 top 48 and make the logical leap to saying that it is a sketch filter from those images.
A fellow Canadian named Blowtoes hooked me up with this bombastic sig.

I always thought he recreated it on paper, but after a second look and some quick research, Sveet's sketch filter proposition seems far more plausible. It was a gift to us from Blowtoes for having made it to brackets.

brookman, were you always just brookman? i feel like i never saw you around awhile back.

did you gais fox ditto?
Brookman is OG. Back when I first started posting here in 06/07 Brookman was running the Fox board. He (sadly) went on a 2 year hiatus and we stopped hearing from him. Brookman would periodically show up at tournaments, so he was always in the scene.

Brookman has always been Brookman in terms of smash tag though. I don't know if he remembers, but the first time we played was in doubles pools at pound 3. Unknown and I vs. him and Kiwii.

Good times.
 

PB&J

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only fox's i played at rom 3 was jman,lucky, and m2k

m2k lost his edge in fox dittos(rusty with fox imo)

lucky is really good in fox dittos

and jman is broken in fox dittos

learned alot though

next time ill play more fox's
 

wardobuffalo

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im trying to get the shorthop double lazzer down but cant reach that good'ol b button fast enough any advise? and if you've got it mastered how long did it take you to master?
 

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If you're having too much trouble moving your thumb from Y/X to b try using up on the control stick to jump. This leaves your right hand free to hit the B button twice.
 

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isnt waveshining wavedashing->shine... if it was shine->wavedash then it would be called shinedash or shinewave or soemthing
 

trahhSTEEZY

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lol i don' think it was called waveshining just because the word wave is first and used first.


in most situations, i'm pretty sure you shine and then wavedash. kinda hard to just wavedash right infront of someone then shine them.
 

Strong Badam

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no one says "shinedash" because that's ********
waveshine = shine -> wavedash.
do not question it.
 

EC_Joey

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Well, i personally think wavedash->shine is 100x more useful OoS than shine->wavedash.
Depends on the situation.

If you're getting shield pressured by a fox or falco, then shine oos is a better option than wavedashing out and shining. Remember, wavedashing leaves you vulnerable during the sliding animation.
 
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