General ICs Q&A Thread

[Roller]

lol@using the wiki. I forgot people still looked at that.

 

[BadKarma]

I havent gotten on smashboards in awhile, has there been any new useful techniques IC discoveries in the past 3 or 4 months?

 

[BadKarma]

actually one more question, what chain grab do you find easiest on snake?

 

[BadKarma]

so I've been working on the desyncs that kakera uses, mainly the one where he dashes back then forward having nana blizzard while popo does whatever. I can't figure out how he does the dash back the forward with ice block instead of blizzard, is the timing the same as the blizzard one or is it different? any advice is greatly appreciated :D

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Split stick desyncs new.
Hold In attack, walk slightly and c-stick smash in the other directionfrom walking. Popo chrages his smash, nana looks like she's having a siezure.

 

[Rubberbandman]

so I've been working on the desyncs that kakera uses, mainly the one where he dashes back then forward having nana blizzard while popo does whatever. I can't figure out how he does the dash back the forward with ice block instead of blizzard, is the timing the same as the blizzard one or is it different? any advice is greatly appreciated :D

Get a vid, mark the time and I can tell you.

Most likely a delayed dash dance.

 

[ch33s3]

so I've been working on the desyncs that kakera uses, mainly the one where he dashes back then forward having nana blizzard while popo does whatever. I can't figure out how he does the dash back the forward with ice block instead of blizzard, is the timing the same as the blizzard one or is it different? any advice is greatly appreciated :D

Frame-wise, yes it's identical. During the end lag frames of your lead climber's dash you can do any move that can be done out of dash and cannot cancel dash end lag and only Nana will do it. The timing feels different for the different specials, though.

Note: The spacing on the blizzard to actually use this as a setup is tricky.

 

[BadKarma]

I'm pretty sure cheese knows what I'm talking about, but heres a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXMf5Cf-W5Y

at 0:17 he has nana do the dash back forth IB. I can do it with blizzard no problem but I haven't gotten the ice block once :/

 

[ch33s3]

I'm pretty sure cheese knows what I'm talking about, but heres a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXMf5Cf-W5Y

at 0:17 he has nana do the dash back forth IB. I can do it with blizzard no problem but I haven't gotten the ice block once :/

For what you're talking about, blizzard definitely has the same timing as IB, without the added trouble of making sure you don't crouch with Popo too long and have him end up missing the next input. Because of this, I find IB to be easier. Just practice for like 5 minutes, if you can do blizzard, you can do IB.

 

[DeLux]

I havent gotten on smashboards in awhile, has there been any new useful techniques IC discoveries in the past 3 or 4 months?

Search the last 3/4 months of the IC Forum and read. Desync Theory thread has a pretty good list, but it requires reading and an intermediate knowledge of IC de/sync mechanics.

actually one more question, what chain grab do you find easiest on snake?

Dthrow > Dthrow > Fthrow > Fthrow > repeat until get close to edge > If flat level smobble/ If janky terrain Bthrow > Repeat

Split stick desyncs new.
Hold In attack, walk slightly and c-stick smash in the other directionfrom walking. Popo chrages his smash, nana looks like she's having a siezure.

1. It's not new. It was discovered in May 2010ish
2. That is a terrible explanation on how to do it and also not the ideal way to perform it

Please avoid giving out faulty info in the Q&A thread please.

I'm pretty sure cheese knows what I'm talking about, but heres a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXMf5Cf-W5Y

at 0:17 he has nana do the dash back forth IB. I can do it with blizzard no problem but I haven't gotten the ice block once :/

Are you shield dropping like in the video? That might explain why you can't get Nana to IB. I imagine you're probably having trouble because you're either making Popo IB or they both do it.

You might be trying to do the Non- Shield drop version, which has a much more specific timing. And then the difference between blizzard and IB uses in the non shield drop would effectively have Blizzard be easier than IB, assuming you buffer crouch over a buffered blizzard.

It's hard to tell since they are so closely related and I don't want to get into specific mechanics in this post since it's kind of confusing on how it works

 

[BadKarma]

when I try it I either get popo to do IB or they both do IB.

 

[DeLux]

Ok. Shield drop with Popo instead of hitting IB.

Then IB with Nana

I win

 

[DeLux]

Does anybody have any video of Sopo Single Banana Locking a Diddy?

 

[ch33s3]

Does anybody have any video of Sopo Single Banana Locking a Diddy?

I don't have one recorded, but it's certainly possible because I've done it. I'm not particularly consistent with it, though.

I could try and record one if you want, but a full stock is hard.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Will you rub my belly?

 

[FrozenHobo]

Will you rub my belly?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

<3 frobo

 

[lain]

ICE CLIMBERS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD












































but seriously, this character ****ing sucks. My SINCERE advice to EVERYONE is to drop them immediately and never look back.

 

[Rubberbandman]

I'VE KNOWN THE CHARACTER SUCKS.

Old news man.

 

[DeLux]

No

Every character in this game is stupidly broken in some way.

Except Bowser. He is officially Smash Lab approved not broken for competitive play.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I like ice climbers mister lain :3

 

[lain]

THEN YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.

naw but seriously. with MK still legal, I see basically no point in playing IC's anymore.

 

[Prawn]

THEN YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.

naw but seriously. with MK still legal, I see basically no point in playing IC's anymore.

basically this

you'll never beat a top level mk with ics unless youre stupidly broken(like lain) AND a bit lucky

 

[Hylian]

basically this

you'll never beat a top level mk with ics unless youre stupidly broken(like lain) AND a bit lucky

Lol this is just wrong. I've beaten tyrant/ally/dojo's mk's in tournament and have a positive record with pretty much every mk I've played in tournament except some I've only played once. What mk's does lain lose to...m2k? lol MK is just easier and does better against snake/diddy than IC's do. It's not about fighting mk.

 

[DeLux]

imo, Ice Climbers are retardedly broken

If I didn't sit there in tournament and drop literally 5-10 grabs a set, I can't think of a person or character that I felt like, "My character is horrendously at a disadvantage here."

Well actually, the only time I ever felt like that was against G&W (TearBear because he has a broken every character) on Rainbow Cruise and MK (anyone) on Brinstar.

Maybe against Nicole's Peach but she was nice enough to sit there for like 10 games and practice with me a month ago so now I don't feel that bad in the matchup anymore. On certain days I feel like that against ROB, but those are usually poor desync execution days for me because ROB is ****ing ridiculous to play my style of climbers against so I think it's me getting outplayed.

@Hylian - I would think you would like the Diddy matchup. Item Desyncs in that matchup are broken. And you can't tell me the snake matchup is that bad. The way you and I setup and play, I watched you grab snake like 10 times (which should have been stocks), which I also do on a regular basis. He's not a "bad" matchup anymore. Even at worst imo, advantage if you know how to make your desync game tight (LD2 is so broken in this matchup) and don't use bad things like dash dance desyncs that take too much space and if you understand/abuse nade mechanics. Learn to CG to smobble and you'll be 2/3stocking snake like it's a job.

 

[Rubberbandman]

basically this

you'll never beat a top level mk with ics unless youre stupidly broken(like lain) AND a bit lucky

Happy belated Birthday Prawn, since I don't see you anywhere.

Also @ Hylian
Icies beat Diddy, anything Diddy can do with bananas, Icies can do (except dash attack into naners safely). Plus we have so many more tricks with them that give us guaranteed grabs and such.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

They make me happy :3
I kinda feel like hylian does better stuff than lain as icies.....

Is that just me?

 

[Hylian]

Nah, lain does better stuff then me, he's a lot more consistent, I just take big names when I practice a ton.

Also, I never said Ic's get ***** by diddy or snake, I said that mk does better against them. He also does better against marth/wario so it's generally better to use mk because he's better at those match-ups. I think that's what lain's getting at, no point in playing ic's when you have to play a different character on their cp anyways and other characters do better against the top tiers.

I think IC's vs Diddy is even, but the match-up is a lot easier for diddy which tends to sway the match-up in diddys favor. Diddy has a lot of safe options against IC's, IC's options rely on extremely good timing and stage control making it a lot harder for them. I am amazing with items and love playing against diddy's lol, but I'm not biased towards ic's because I'm good at the match-up, I've played adhd and gnes plenty and know what diddy can do it's a very scary match-up on both sides.

@rubberbandman: Ic's only have one trick that really gives you a guaranteed grab, everything else is reads off DI or putting them into a bad stage position.

 

[Smoom77]

I very much agree with Hylian regarding the diddy matchup.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

ICs main smoom..........

 

[Smoom77]

What is wrong with you ^?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

...
Theirs no one above you.

I trololol the forums. That is all.
If I need help with something I'm serious about it.
I'll be serious when I'm in a match.
But these boards are in some serious need of relaxing.
It IS a game after all >.>

 

[Smoom77]

this isn't a game. it's real life

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I brawl cause it's fun. I'd like to get better, and play better people, but I just think it's fun.
Brawls a game.

 

[DeLux]

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If you keep spamming this thread, people are going to stop helping you. I realize you like the attention, but get your attention from the appropriate thread please.

 

[lain]

Yeah you basically got it Hylian.

I mean I'm just tired of playing the SAME GAME every time I play someone. If the opponent is good and/or scared, they'll platform camp and do it HARD. It's just annoying, I'd like to play Brawl please.

Yes, I only seem to have trouble with M2K and Ally in their respective character departments, but THAT'S what always gets me. I'm tired of losing to those ******s at nationals lol.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Smoom started it.
I couldn't care less about attention.
I'm just tryin to liven up the place.

 

[DeLux]

Speaking of the MK matchup and it being the same thing every time, I have a question for Lain, Hylian, Cheese, and maybe Smoom:

What options do we have against a grounded shuttle loop on shield?

More specifically, what options do we have if they grounded shuttle loop on our shield while we're both beneath a platform and have the move loop above the platform?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Hey while were at it, hylian is dojo good at the ic mu? I'm scares to fight him in tourney. And razer.

 

[Hylian]

Speaking of the MK matchup and it being the same thing every time, I have a question for Lain, Hylian, Cheese, and maybe Smoom:

What options do we have against a grounded shuttle loop on shield?

More specifically, what options do we have if they grounded shuttle loop on our shield while we're both beneath a platform and have the move loop above the platform?

Grounded shuttle loop gives you a free uair, even if they glide attack it will clank and the second uair will hit them if you time it right. Generally they just get uaired no matter what though. You can also follow then and try to get a grab off their landing but I wouldn't recommended it because they can cancel the sl faster than you can react to it.

If they do it to me on a platform I just drop through the platform after to get in a better position.

Hey while were at it, hylian is dojo good at the ic mu? I'm scares to fight him in tourney. And razer.

Last time I played dojo he beat me on final d consistently lol. He's one of the best players in the nation, he's good at every match-up.