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Hip Hop: The Poetic Side

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So I decided to read through some of this thread, and it's pretty disappointing. Vrael is on point with what he says, he's really knowledgeable about music, especially hip-hop.

I guess I'll get involved. Wouldn't be a real thread without somebody that thinks they're smart embarrassing themselves.
Being the most ignorant person I've met, it's no surprise you would say that.
Wait, that's already been done. Oh well. There are three things I really want to talk about, probably just so I can spill my convictions about what's being talked about:

1. There's a lot of 'good' pop music out there. Good is the most subjective word you could use to describe music, though, so I won't bring up this subject if I don't need to. xD If someone wants me to elaborate, I guess I can.

2. Pop is just a shortening of popular. Same way that indie is just a shortening of independent. Both words have taken on alternate meanings, though. People, for whatever reason, try to use those tags to describe specific sounds in music. Like, iunno, Lady Gaga's electrodance sound could be described as pop, but then so can Kings of Leon's sound. Something like The National's sappy, drone-y post-punk could be tagged as indie by some poor fool, but so could, like, Passion Pit's sound. It's stupid and totally inaccurate. Pop and indie are both very literal terms.

3. A vast majority of artists and labels use auto-tune and voice touch-up software when recording music in studio. People singing in rock bands usually have a more pitchy voice than, say, an opera singer. Sometimes producers touch up the tone and volume of a singer's voice. People seem to have no problem with adding and editing the sounds of individual instruments. Mixing, otherwise.

I'm trying to learn a little bit more about the modern hip-hop scene, so I think I might stick around.
 

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@ pages 25 and 26, Guys DON'T Feed the Trolls. Jesus.

not gunna lie though, I laughed pretty hard.

And @ this Dark horse guy, all you've done is dis your opponent, where's your solid proof? the only evidence that has been given was the dude with that sexy link where Miley cyrus says she doesn't write her own music. Orr that song, because I'm defs not an expert on her.

I side with your preference though, I dislike Miley cyrus' voice and music
 

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1. There's a lot of 'good' pop music out there. Good is the most subjective word you could use to describe music, though, so I won't bring up this subject if I don't need to. xD If someone wants me to elaborate, I guess I can.
You should elaborate on this. Pop may be a literal term but when talking about pop in the realm of hip-hop its referring to mainstream rappers who in a sense sell their souls for money. Rap when it was founded was actually an acronym for "Rhythm and Poetry." Rap is literally supposed to be a poem over a "rhythmic" beat. Mainstream rappers sound like childish nursery rhymes laced over played out beats. The typical "BOOM, BOOM-BOOM" baseline is used more in rap than MK in the brawl scene. The rappers on our list sound more like Robert frost over unique and well thought out samples and drum sets. I actually made a post about this a few posts back that when people in this thread say "pop" they're not referring to artists like Lady Gaga but more like Wayne, Gucci Mane, Cali Swag District, etc. Hope that clears some things up for you.
 

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For example in an interview Immortal Technique mentioned that while one of his albums only sold ~40k copies (tanking by mainstream standards) he still made $400,000 solely from album sales. Then look at The Clipse's first album which went platinum. Malice and Pusha T received about $10,000 as a cut from the album sales. Also look at Lupe who is on a major label. He released his first studio album in 2006 and second in 2007 and has yet to release one since then. The reason being is because major labels profit way more off of album sales than he ever will so instead he makes mixtapes and tours a lot to take advantage of loopholes in his contract to make more money.
You should elaborate on this. Pop may be a literal term but when talking about pop in the realm of hip-hop its referring to mainstream rappers who in a sense sell their souls for money.
Going to stop you there :p I believe that these rappers need to listen to you, because if they did, they would make hella more money.
Rap when it was founded was actually an acronym for "Rhythm and Poetry." Rap is literally supposed to be a poem over a "rhythmic" beat. Mainstream rappers sound like childish nursery rhymes laced over played out beats. The typical "BOOM, BOOM-BOOM" baseline is used more in rap than MK in the brawl scene. The rappers on our list sound more like Robert frost over unique and well thought out samples and drum sets. I actually made a post about this a few posts back that when people in this thread say "pop" they're not referring to artists like Lady Gaga but more like Wayne, Gucci Mane, Cali Swag District, etc. Hope that clears some things up for you.
What is the point of holding arguments when no one is on the same page? Get on the same page and continue this, or just stop arguing, not directed at you jiovanni, Just giving my opinion on this as a whole
 

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So I decided to read through some of this thread, and it's pretty disappointing. Vrael is on point with what he says, he's really knowledgeable about music, especially hip-hop.
Why thank you my friend :)

I guess I'll get involved. Wouldn't be a real thread without somebody that thinks they're smart embarrassing themselves. Wait, that's already been done. Oh well. There are three things I really want to talk about, probably just so I can spill my convictions about what's being talked about:

1. There's a lot of 'good' pop music out there. Good is the most subjective word you could use to describe music, though, so I won't bring up this subject if I don't need to. xD If someone wants me to elaborate, I guess I can.

2. Pop is just a shortening of popular. Same way that indie is just a shortening of independent. Both words have taken on alternate meanings, though. People, for whatever reason, try to use those tags to describe specific sounds in music. Like, iunno, Lady Gaga's electrodance sound could be described as pop, but then so can Kings of Leon's sound. Something like The National's sappy, drone-y post-punk could be tagged as indie by some poor fool, but so could, like, Passion Pit's sound. It's stupid and totally inaccurate. Pop and indie are both very literal terms.

3. A vast majority of artists and labels use auto-tune and voice touch-up software when recording music in studio. People singing in rock bands usually have a more pitchy voice than, say, an opera singer. Sometimes producers touch up the tone and volume of a singer's voice. People seem to have no problem with adding and editing the sounds of individual instruments. Mixing, otherwise.

I'm trying to learn a little bit more about the modern hip-hop scene, so I think I might stick around.
I agree with most of what you said. Seriously guys almost everyone uses at least some kind of touch-up software for their voice. Why do you think people sound different in concert as opposed to on their albums? Yeah most of it isn't as drastic as autotune, but seriously.

Nice to see you around here bro, I hope you stick around.


Hey guys how about we actually talk about, ya know, hip-hop.
 

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Going to stop you there :p I believe that these rappers need to listen to you, because if they did, they would make hella more money.


What is the point of holding arguments when no one is on the same page? Get on the same page and continue this, or just stop arguing, not directed at you jiovanni, Just giving my opinion on this as a whole
Um so i am kind of a Hip-Hop connoisseur and tend to read a lot of interviews. Lupe himself stated in an interview that if he could do it all over again he wouldn't have signed with a major label. Though they do market him and such they also take away a large cut of album sales and limit his creativity. Major labels are in the business of selling and let's just say that Lupe's mixtapes don't exactly have mainstream appeal. That's the main reason his albums are always delayed. Lasers was supposed to when? Like November or December of 09 and got pushed back twice and still hasn't dropped. Have you ever listened to some of the music on the radio stations? Most of those rappers are obviously not intelligent enough to look into being an independent artist. All that said however, Immortal Technique did say in the same interview in which he was tossing out numbers that being an independent artist is exponentially more difficult than being on a major label. Need shows? Organize them yourself from the base level. That means securing venues, tech support, equipment and even advertising on your own or hiring someone else to help you. Major labels handle all of that extra stuff but don't pay you nearly as much since all you do is perform.
 

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Well I know virtually nothing about hip hop music, or trendy music but I know what your talking about when you say most aren't able to go indie, otherwise they'd be ****ing themselves.
 

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You should elaborate on this. Pop may be a literal term but when talking about pop in the realm of hip-hop its referring to mainstream rappers who in a sense sell their souls for money. Rap when it was founded was actually an acronym for "Rhythm and Poetry." Rap is literally supposed to be a poem over a "rhythmic" beat. Mainstream rappers sound like childish nursery rhymes laced over played out beats. The typical "BOOM, BOOM-BOOM" baseline is used more in rap than MK in the brawl scene. The rappers on our list sound more like Robert frost over unique and well thought out samples and drum sets. I actually made a post about this a few posts back that when people in this thread say "pop" they're not referring to artists like Lady Gaga but more like Wayne, Gucci Mane, Cali Swag District, etc. Hope that clears some things up for you.
I totally agree with you and understand what you're saying, but I REALLY don't want to bring up controversial subjects in this thread, because I don't want to derail the topic at hand, and I don't want to bait out the trolls. 'Good' is the most subjective word used to describe music, like I said, and I'd rather not piss off the stupid people by stating my convictions and opinions about pop.
 

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I think hip hop music, coming from a subculture (or a counterculture?), could not transition into mainstream without altering its sound. Part of that may just be because, as an artist, coming from nothing, you want something, but once you get some commercial success, you run the risk of being called a sellout because your brand of music once spoke to and represented the people at the bottom of the social ladder. Rap's answer seemed to be to take that bling, that new-found success, and own it. Wave it around and don't apologize and people will have to respect you. And it seems like it worked. Rather than calling them sellouts, a lot of people seem to look at commercial rap artists and aspire to be like them. Bling is attractive if you don't have it, and a lot of people don't have it.

But the sacrifice is the sound. The commercial product sounds very different to me compared to the underground stuff. Or maybe that's just me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uPEkTLJO6Q
 

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God this was so horrible when I watched the video because they did all the stuff I hate to see in music videos. However, when I just didn't look at it, it was alright, because the lyrics made sense, once I decoded most of it. Still, I didn't like his voice anyway. I hardly heard any variation, but I guess this is just a trait for (underground?) rap, and also why I don't like it.
 

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I totally agree with you and understand what you're saying, but I REALLY don't want to bring up controversial subjects in this thread, because I don't want to derail the topic at hand, and I don't want to bait out the trolls. 'Good' is the most subjective word used to describe music, like I said, and I'd rather not piss off the stupid people by stating my convictions and opinions about pop.
Well I mean we won't flame you or anything for your honest opinion :chuckle:

Seriously though if you do like the pop stuff one goal here is to help people gain an understanding of why we like the music that we like. So if you tell us why you like the pop stuff we'll tell you why we like the non-pop stuff and exactly why.

I love this song sooooo much. So sad that Drake bit off of it really hard AND perverted its meaning and 99.9% of people will never even know.
 

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Seriously though if you do like the pop stuff one goal here is to help people gain an understanding of why we like the music that we like. So if you tell us why you like the pop stuff we'll tell you why we like the non-pop stuff and exactly why.
This isn't exactly what I expierenced when I expressed my opinion on pop music (albeit not an honest one, but still) ^.-

It consisted more of proving why my music was fake, as well as asking me for facts why my artists are talented. I dunno, how do you say someone is talented? They just are and you know as a person.
 

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God this was so horrible when I watched the video because they did all the stuff I hate to see in music videos. However, when I just didn't look at it, it was alright, because the lyrics made sense, once I decoded most of it. Still, I didn't like his voice anyway. I hardly heard any variation, but I guess this is just a trait for (underground?) rap, and also why I don't like it.
Underground has more variation than you can imagine. Where mainstream rap is pretty much all the same, underground depends on the style and preferences of the artists. Since it's not about appealing to the mainstream audience, artists can appeal to themselves.
 

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Check out my boys mpire and lyonel streetz

http://www.mediafire.com/?2ju12c5pgdf8d6x

http://www.mediafire.com/?wjedjujj71akn8f

Give some feedback on what you think.
You should really upload it to youtube for maximum results. You can download free and legal video editing software and at least add a picture reel. I haven't listened to it yet but I may give it a listen a lil later.

edit: Honestly I do like Kanye. Recently he's slipped a lot. i really didn't care for graduation and 808 and Heartbreaks goes without saying. He just blew up way too quick. I remember listening to his pre College Dropout mixtapes about how his first album was gonna easily go gold but then it went 4x platinum XD. That can make the most humble man a cocky mofo.
 

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Great points. This is why Eminem is my favorite rapper. It has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He is like 80% about lyrics, and maybe 20% beats. Most mainstream rappers these days are the complete reverse. Old skool rap is where it's really at.
 

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You should really upload it to youtube for maximum results. You can download free and legal video editing software and at least add a picture reel. I haven't listened to it yet but I may give it a listen a lil later.

edit: Honestly I do like Kanye. Recently he's slipped a lot. i really didn't care for graduation and 808 and Heartbreaks goes without saying. He just blew up way too quick. I remember listening to his pre College Dropout mixtapes about how his first album was gonna easily go gold but then it went 4x platinum XD. That can make the most humble man a cocky mofo.
Well if you do tell me your opinion. Trust me there actually really good I just want to see other people's thoughts also.
 

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I like Outkast, Nujabes, Deltron 3030, De la Sac, Aesop Rock, SOME MF Doom, .... uh. Rage if they count.

I dunno. Some others mixed in there prolly.

PS list compiled without regard for them being "mainstream" or not.
 

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God this was so horrible when I watched the video because they did all the stuff I hate to see in music videos. However, when I just didn't look at it, it was alright, because the lyrics made sense, once I decoded most of it. Still, I didn't like his voice anyway. I hardly heard any variation, but I guess this is just a trait for (underground?) rap, and also why I don't like it.
You mean formal music variation?

I think variation might be more noticeable with melody, generally speaking. Hip hop is rhythm based, and there is room for variation, but perhaps not to the degree in some other genres that rely more on melody.

I also think the reason DP made their video like other rap videos is because the song is a response to mainstream rap. So they set it up like the usual concert footage with a crowd going crazy, fists in the air, but then you see bullhorns and signs, slogans like "food clothes shelter" and the image of Che Guevara, and then those fists raised into the air take on a new meaning. The concert crowd merges with that of a protest rally. There's been a conversion. And that conversion is sort of DP in a nutshell.

I love this song sooooo much. So sad that Drake bit off of it really hard AND perverted its meaning and 99.9% of people will never even know.
Lol, when Drake hits I definitely feel pain.

This isn't exactly what I expierenced when I expressed my opinion on pop music (albeit not an honest one, but still) ^.-

It consisted more of proving why my music was fake, as well as asking me for facts why my artists are talented.
Well:

Hey, pop isn't crap. What's wrong with it?
Taken literally, you kind of gave people the green light right there.
 

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Alright, so I need to talk about this.

There's been a lot of hate toward people such as Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy, Wacka Flocka Flame, Cali Swag District, New Boyz, Lil Wayne, Drake, Young Money, etc.

Now, I don't like any of these artists. Actually I can't listen to any of them. But I heard that one of my favorite artists, Talib Kweli, did a song with Gucci Mane a while ago. So by nature I wanted to dismiss it as another artist that used to be great to turning pop. But I know that Talib is really smart, so I looked up what he had to say.

This is an exact quote from Talib, responding to a critic of the Gucci Mane / Talib Kweli song that had leaked:

"I have been working on my new album, Prisoner Of Conscious since the summer began. It is a title I have had floating in my head for quite some time, but it is even more relevant right now. Hip Hop is like bipartisan politics these days. Everyone chooses sides and argues for the sake of the argument, not to actually achieve any clarity.

I am a man and an artist of the people. When I say that, I do not just mean people I agree with, people who understand me or people I can relate to. I mean the people in the truest sense of the term. This philosophy, although professed by many intellectuals, is lost on them. They would rather judge the masses as a foolish body, greatly in need of their intellectual musings. Any public figure who attracts a crowd of people should be examined, and if they are smart about their business they are to be respected. Respect transcends personal taste, you can and often should respect your enemy.

Now I don't know Mychal Smith, but what I do know is he is a blogger that follows me on Twitter, and I guess my decision to record with Gucci Mane bothered him enough to blog about it, declaring my move a part of the demise of the conscious rapper.

I offer a different take. I say people like Mychal Smith are every bit as caught up in the flashing lights as the "ignorant" masses they like to judge. Instead of celebrating it, they get joy from speaking against it. They truly believe not liking Gucci Mane makes them intellectually superior to say, some chic down south. They pay so much attention to what they perceive to be negative, based on a limited world view, that they miss the positive, even when it's right in their face.

The week the Gucci/Kweli record leaked, I performed at the Lupus fundraiser for the J Dilla Foundation, and also recorded a PSA about SB 1070. I performed with the Roots, Blitz the Ambassador, Bajah and the Dry Eye Crew at Prospect Park for Okay Africa. My kids were with me. I also performed at the Duck Down 15th anniversary party, and I recorded a song about the Age of Enlightenment to help NYC high school kids pass the regents for Fresh Prep. These are not high paying gigs, this is for the love. And this is one week of work.

I haven't even counted the fact that my release with Hi Tek, Revolutions Per Minute a month ago as well as Eardrum and Liberation, my last two, were packed with "conscious" hip hop. Even outside of my music, my life is that of a conscious community driven man. Somehow, doing a song with Gucci Mane erases all of this in some people's minds. Who are they to judge me? What do they do in their lives that is conscious? If you ain't doing more than me; you just blogging, fall back.

I'd be willing to bet Mychal Smith did not purchase my latest album. I know for sure he did not take into account my musical output or who I am as a person when he wrote his blog. To people like him, I am simply a character, a one dimensional celebrity, who is supposed to conform to his idea of what good art is, not my own.

Now to break down the pseudo intellectualism on display"

"Then Talib Kweli does a song with Gucci Mane and I'm forced to reevaluate everything I believe."- MS

Mr. Smith, my choice to do a song with Gucci is my choice. It doesn't force you to reevaluate anything. If it does, you should re-examine what your beliefs are based on.

"After Kweli co-signed Slim Thug's idiotic comments...and his assertion that people don't like Drake simply because he's successful..."-MS

Mr. Smith, go back and read my feed. Stating my opinion is not co-signing anything. When Slim Thug said dudes will make it rain before they pay a mortgage, that was a valid point. My point was that his valid points were overlooked because of the generalizations. As far as Drake, I know a dope MC when I hear one. Whether it pertains to you or not, there are certainly people who hate him because he is forced down their throats on radio, who would have loved him had they discovered his mixtapes years ago, as I did. When he shouts out Slum Village and Little Brother in songs and raps honestly about the pitfalls of stardom, I look at that as a victory for conscious music, not a problem.

Also, the BMF song is banging, by the way.

Mr. Smith is correct when he talks about the pitfalls of labeling yourself the conscious artist. If you listen to my records, I tried to distance myself from that label very early in my career. I would often go on about the positive influence artists like Jay-Z and Diddy had on me when underground journalists would try to get me to co-sign their personal hate. He is also correct when he says no artist wants to be in a box. But his understanding stops there because his is the perspective of an outsider. It is much more complicated when you are in this business actually doing it for a living. Just because I don't like labels doesn't make my music or my output any less responsible, and neither does a song with Gucci Mane. My track record speaks for itself. My last video was Ballad Of The Black Gold...

Common is from the south side of Chicago, like Lupe. Common been pimpin in his rhymes since his first album. Lupe was a thug rapper before the Lupe we know today. I'm from Brooklyn, NY. My music reflects it all, Brownsville and Park Slope. In Mychal Smith's view, the fact that I recorded Papers Please for Arizona and did a song with Gucci means I'm trying to be everything to everyone. No fam, I'm just being me. I'm sorry it makes your head explode that I actually might enjoy Gucci's music, but I do. I didn't do it for money, I did it because I wanted to. He is a dynamic artist that is serving his fan base well. I love music enough to be curious as to what our collaboration would sound like, and he did too. I didn't compromise my style or views on the song, and as a musician, it was fun (remember that, fun?).

Gucci Mane's fans need to hear my music for sure, and some of my fans could use a little Gucci in their lives. I am down for all my people, even the Gucci fans. Deal with it. As far as those who say, "well, he raps about drugs," if you take Tylenol or drink, then stop judging. For those who say I shouldn't do a song with him because he hit a woman on You Tube, well, I know conscious rappers that have hit women. They just aint on You Tube with it. People make mistakes, that's his karma to deal with. I wouldn't want someone to not record with me based on some of the f---ed up things I've done in life.

Mychal Smith seems to love hip hop, and love our people. But sometimes we, as a people, can be so blinded by what we perceive to be negative, that we forget to support the positive. If you are dismayed by the state of music, spend more time supporting the artists who actually try to change it instead tearing them down. The music will change, and as you get older, mainstream music will make less sense to you. Take the audience an artist is speaking to into account before you judge them. You may not be in their audience. One love.

Talib Kweli
I'd like everyone to read that, and re-read it.

Now, the end is particularly interesting.

"sometimes we, as a people, can be so blinded by what we perceive to be negative, that we forget to support the positive. If you are dismayed by the state of music, spend more time supporting the artists who actually try to change it instead tearing them down. The music will change, and as you get older, mainstream music will make less sense to you. Take the audience an artist is speaking to into account before you judge them."

I tend to criticize the artists as well for their terrible lyrics, annoying beats, and seemingly zero effort put into making music. However, Talib opened my eyes as not only an artist myself, but as a lover of Hip-Hop as a culture and a music.

Why do we have to hate different genres of music than the one(s) we love? Hip-Hop is about acceptance.

For example. I am a white, 14 year old male living in the wonderful city of Oakland, CA. There's a lot of racial tension here. But it's beautiful when I see a man (who is black, for the record) wearing a Souls of Mischief shirt, and we can start a conversation about Hip-Hop. We need to stop hating the mainstream. If we don't accept it as a form of music, then we won't ever be recognized as a culture or a viable form of poetry or music, as opposed to more popular genres of music such as Pop, Soul, etc.

I am annoyed that our music is recognized only as ridiculous people talking over an annoying beat. If people saw hip-hop as a group of music with many sub-genre's, many with lyrics and emotion extremely intelligent and poetic, as well as heart-felt.

In my opinion, Hip-Hop is in a state of war, against itself. A civil war if you will. The group that cherishes the underground and clever lyricists hate the mainstream, and vice-versa. We need to accept each group into the culture.

I still feel that Hip-Hop has to change back to how it was in the 90's, but who knows if it will? Hip-Hop is a form of music that is poetic as well as self-expressive, and it should be presented as exactly that. We don't need this arguing over things as ridiculous as lyrics. It's music, and it's meant to be enjoyed, and we as a culture should enjoy what we enjoy.

For example, I listen to 99% Hip-Hop. The other 1% is dedicated to songs of other genres that I truly enjoy, such as a song I heard today called "Doin' Time" by Sublime. The beat on the song is something I would consider absolutely and unbelievably dope, and I'm sure fellow fans of Jazz and Soul would enjoy it as much as I do. For those of you who want to try something new, click this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d23f92AMzr8

The point is, there's so much hate in the world, why not move as a culture to make the world more peaceful, with love? Human beings as a whole are so inclined to hate, for no decent reason. Show a little love.

And to anyone who likes Drake or Lil Wayne or any of the aforementioned artists, that is your taste in music and if you love it, you should keep listening. I prefer underground artists, but who am I to judge? We all are different, we all have different tastes. To anyone who likes Pop, Rock, or any other genre that i detest, I'm sorry if I offended you. I will change the title of the thread to "Hip-Hop: The Poetic Side".



Stop the hate.
 

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Lmao when I read what Talib Kweli had to say it looked like you could replace the issue with Nintendo and their fanbase today

Anyway, I agree with Talib. When an artist becomes popular why do people feel the need to say that they've "sold out"? Drake may not be a political dude but his music carries more of an emotional appeal to it.

Also, let me say that "Anime" by Soulja Boy is one of the worst songs I've ever heard.

Finally, Wiz Khalifa, Wale, Ghostface Killah, Edan, Ludacris, The Game, Asher Roth, The Cool Kids, Bun B, J Cole, Eminem, and Kanye West need to be on that list.
 

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Only things that I can point out to put on that list is Kanye West (Before 808's) and J.Cole. Wait why ain't Big L on that list either? O_O
 

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Lasers is on it's way........
Definitely hyped for that.

From this thread I'ma start bumpin

Immortal Technique
Mos Def
Common
Talib Kweli
Reflection Internal
Outkast

I've listened to all of them cept for I.T. but don't have all the albums for them yet, I'ma work on this.

Who I've been listening to:

Nas
B.I.G.
2Pac
Big L
Eminem
Drake
J Cole
Wale
Cassidy
(Eric B. And) Rakim
Jay Electronica
Kanye West
Lupe Fiasco

I know I'm a bit on the new side of Hip Hop but I'm listening to the more quality side so thats all that matters. I've been listening to some of the old stuff too but I'ma listen to who I listed above who I said I would.

And for those who hate on Drake/J Cole, Comeback Season and The Warm Up is all I gotta say to you my dude.
 

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MBlaze......

My *****.....

I looked at your list.....

We have near identical taste in music......

You are a genius..............
Lmao thanks, u as well, it's some real good music.

I'm deff gonna hit up those artists though but I don't think any of them are gonna top Nas, he's the best MC in my book.
 

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Lmao when I read what Talib Kweli had to say it looked like you could replace the issue with Nintendo and their fanbase today

Anyway, I agree with Talib. When an artist becomes popular why do people feel the need to say that they've "sold out"? Drake may not be a political dude but his music carries more of an emotional appeal to it.

Also, let me say that "Anime" by Soulja Boy is one of the worst songs I've ever heard.

Finally, Wiz Khalifa, Wale, Ghostface Killah, Edan, Ludacris, The Game, Asher Roth, The Cool Kids, Bun B, J Cole, Eminem, and Kanye West need to be on that list.
Ghostface is, duh I <3 WU
asher roth is annoying... his single was pretty good though from a small listen. we'll have to see his album coming out to judge.
wiz.... eh.
wale i havent listened to yet.
the game has that one good album but the one after sucked, right?
eminem is
kanye is
im waiting for j cole to get an album out.
who are the cool kids?
and bun B is eh... i might put him up

That was an insightful post.
I try.

TL;DR @ cookieMONster
I kid, I kid. I get where you're coming from. Whether it's mainstream or not, it's music; enjoy it.



I lol'd, what a gutsy move on his part for releasing a song like that.
I agree as well.

and that was so stupid it was funny

It saddens me that people think Christina Aguilera isn't good because of "Dirrty" even though she still sounded good in it, lol. :( Oh well I'm late to that little spectacle anyways...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAPM6oTrF0

This song is just hilarious, ha ha.
ANNIMEEEEEEEEEEE SWAG!

Anime is a joke song, it's not meant to be taken seriously rofl.
i HOPE its a joke song

Only things that I can point out to put on that list is Kanye West (Before 808's) and J.Cole. Wait why ain't Big L on that list either? O_O
kanye is
j cole will after an album drops
and Big L should be... lemme check?

Lasers is on it's way........
proof?

Definitely hyped for that.

From this thread I'ma start bumpin

Immortal Technique
Mos Def
Common
Talib Kweli
Reflection Internal
Outkast

I've listened to all of them cept for I.T. but don't have all the albums for them yet, I'ma work on this.

Who I've been listening to:

Nas
B.I.G.
2Pac
Big L
Eminem
Drake
J Cole
Wale
Cassidy
(Eric B. And) Rakim
Jay Electronica
Kanye West
Lupe Fiasco

I know I'm a bit on the new side of Hip Hop but I'm listening to the more quality side so thats all that matters. I've been listening to some of the old stuff too but I'ma listen to who I listed above who I said I would.

And for those who hate on Drake/J Cole, Comeback Season and The Warm Up is all I gotta say to you my dude.
Its Reflection Eternal
Immortal Technique is good, but he has a lot of strange conspiracy theories. He's still mad lyrical though.

Check out Jean Grae too. that woman can spit
And Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star. Get that album, it was a classic and it got tons of crittical acclaim.

Yep, that's all that matters.

I don't hate on Drake, I just think his lyrics are lacking.
And he stole that one line from Dead Prez...











and nas is helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllla dope. i think he's one of the best mc's.
 
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