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just be gayer
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Is that how frigate works?MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
What did OS get you for Christmas?!
MORE VIDEOS OF IRRITATING PLAY!
Smash 64 (Snake) vs. Overswarm (ROB?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAZoEo4xnZk
The benefits of Patience.
To be honest, I thought M2K was a lot more aggressive in Melee, but I guess I was mistaken on that part. Either way though, I still see a difference between the type of camping seen watching M2K and the camping that the OP is trying to push. The type of camping I see is an aggressive type of camping, where the player uses his character's defensive options to prevent the opponent from pressuring him and approaching only when he sees an opportunity, but once he approaches, he attempts to get as much damage as he can before the situation resets and he goes back to playing defensive. It's still technically camping, but it's much more aggressive than always playing defensively and not going on the offense at all, which is what I take from the OP.Clai what ur saying is just plain dumb. Your making excuses for M2K. 'He was a beast off-stage in melee.' He waited, didnt approach, tossed them off and gimped at an early percent. Thats is the same crap a campy MK would do if someone approached. Just because it look more aesthetically pleasing to you doesnt mean you can disregard that they are the same tatic. This is seriously dumb.
If playing gay and campy is truly the best strategy, then we'll figure out in due time that we won't have a way to deal with it, and we'd be forced to adopt the other two things you state. Personally, I don't think that playing defensive and reactive will lead to victory; I think that a calculated offensive approach that effectively reduces your opponent's options will end up being more effective. Seeing Diddy Kong's continued successes helps support what I'm saying.The problem with the Smash community is that tons of the ppl who play are morons and have never played any fighting game competitively. All they do is ***** and moan. Why the hell wouldnt someone use a superior tatic? sure u can go for style points if its effective but if it isnt, u retreat to what would be ur best option. Welcome to competitive gaming. Style or not, its about what is effective given the situation. In brawl, where attempting offensive pressure on a turtling opponent is lackluster to say the least, its very clear that majority of the time being defensive and reactive will net you the win. Besides the community will be better for it, because it will advance us tremendously. We would either figure out how to deal with it, or we will all play MK or stop playing all together.
I agree with you absolutely on this point. There's no reason that people playing crap characters can't learn to deal with gay strategies and figure out ways to win; it's just a lot harder for them to do it with their characters, but if they're dedicated enough, effort shouldn't be an issue.The community didnt get better because of some dumb Mario main or falcon playing with honor. The community got better when ppl played effectively; it allowed us to focus and ruminate on tatics that were hard to bypass. You can do that, you can get better. Its so funny OS youre talking about this cuz i had a 3 hr convo with my friend about this. Larry would be no where near as good if it wasnt for Tyrant usually playing him effectively aka, to the people who dont like actually learning to play a game competitively, "gay." Its so funny for instance that Sonic mains have been placing higher recently. You want to know why? Cuz every decent Sonic main understands this: Sonic sucks. He sucks and we need to learn how to deal with it, we need to learn how to fight those "*****/actually smart" tatics to pull out a win. Which is why OS lost to a Shugo. Which is why Espy was going toe-to-toe with Haze during some good friendlies, and it is why (now talking about general characters) Larry 6-0 Tyrant during R3.
If you wanna play crap characters, then fine, go ahead. Just dont Bull**** urself and blame others for losing. You are going to get owned by some techniques your character simply cant compete or has great difficulty with. You either find a way around it, pick a solid character, or stop playing at tournaments. Dont ***** and moan, you are apart of the reason you lose just as much as person who planked/camped you (yes i know ppl can win other ways, this is for the sake of the topic).
/all the morons who say otherwise in this thread.
You say this like having to put effort and practice into minimizing stage weaknesses is a bad thing... I mean it's good for MK if the other player doesn't bother to practice on whichever stage is bad for his character, but any player who wants to be worth something is going to practice on those stages.No, he has to adapt his playstyle to each stage while you reap the benefits. That Diddy has to practice on Norfair, Brinstar, Frigate, Rainbow Cruise, you name it. It's AWESOME (for MK).
Lol Snake had the lead. He should have just waited on the other side of the stage for it to flip again.Is that how frigate works?
That's awesome.
This is pretty much a no brainier, and you can apply this to any other competitive fighting game, not just Smash.Losing strategy.
Think about it: Metaknight loses no matchups.
Assuming player skill is equal, you have two potential scenarios as an MK main:
1. You go even with your opponent
2. You naturally have an advantage against your opponent by some margin
Every matchup potentially could be 1 or 2, but if you do'nt main MK you can be 3, which is the OPPOSITE of two: your opponent has the advantage against YOU.
Now, MK can have a disadvantage. Its true. DK on Japes? DESTROYS Metaknight. Seriously, destroys. Japes is being banned everywhere scrubby, and MK mains supreme.
"We're New Jersey! We ban dumb stages! Also we all main MK, which is certainly a coincidence, since our other common characters also do well on the same stages"
But, not only are MKs bad stages disappearing (funnily enough, many of them are being removed because they are "too good" for MK in certain matchups, thus crippling the characters that WOULD dominate MK there), but you often only have one or two that are actually good for your opponent (and thus bad for you). As most tournaments will have one or both of these banned, you can use your own ban to get rid of one.... unless you have two bans in which case you'll never have a problem.
So in reality, you will rarely, if ever, have even a slightly disadvantaged matchup. This should be irrelevant though, right? People say Diddy goes even with MK, so if you main Diddy you'll be okay, right?
Wrong!
MK can ban FD, but can Diddy ban every counterpick there is?!
No, he has to adapt his playstyle to each stage while you reap the benefits. That Diddy has to practice on Norfair, Brinstar, Frigate, Rainbow Cruise, you name it. It's AWESOME (for MK).
So when you play against Diddy, a supposed even matchup, you get to start on a stage that is going to be alright for Diddy... but not bad for you at all. Then if you lose, you get to CP to a stage that is awful for Diddy. If you win, Diddy picks a stage that is almost always incredibly similar to the first! Score!
This means you're gonna have your advantage at almost all times.
Main MK.
Why not?
If you're defense is "everyone will know the matchup"... well, eventually others catch up. AND you'd have to worry about other characters that counter yours!
This video is going to be everywhere isn't it.Good read.
Just thought I'd throw this video out there. DMG seemed irritated that I was approaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkd7os1Jf1k
cast down my buckets? What does that mean?! O_o
Then you are doing it wrong. Games are made to be played for "fun," not money. If you want money, go get a job. No way in hell I am reading the rest of that stuff since that's all I need from your great wall of text. Besides, it's obvious you are yet another person yapping their head off over how amazing they are and how they are a god at this game. W/e. We get it.While I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy playing this way, I don't play this way solely for enjoyment. I don't play Brawl for enjoyment. I play it to win money.
He means cast down yer **** buckets! Are ye deaf man? Yer buckets! Cast 'em down!cast down my buckets? What does that mean?! O_o
I just received a $2,500 dollar check into my bank account for a month of work.... and that's with holiday break, since I work for a college. I got a job to pay for student loans.Then you are doing it wrong. Games are made to be played for "fun," not money. If you want money, go get a job. No way in hell I am reading the rest of that stuff since that's all I need from your great wall of text. Besides, it's obvious you are yet another person yapping their head off over how amazing they are and how they are a god at this game. W/e. We get it.
If you youtube "Overswarm" or go to halo.bungie.org (look for "Not So Common Sense", or just go here: http://halo.bungie.org/gameplay/stratguide/), you'll find multiple videos and/or articles of me teaching people things about Halo or Smash (I was around in Melee, too!).I'm sorry for the lateness of this question, but I do have one, specifically for Overswarm. Why are you offering this help? If you do, as you said, "play [Brawl] to win money," why are you even interested in having your competition improve? Though I am sure that your reason may be to stop the whining that is found within the threads, that brings me to another question. Do you really think that this thread is going to end it?
Because I'm ****ing hilarious. :DNow, please, don't get me wrong, I thought that you post was incredibly well thought out. A great read. But I am still left wondering why you are offering this advice. If you play for money, why tell people that you are receiving their "donations?" That is my question.
Good post.If you youtube "Overswarm" or go to halo.bungie.org (look for "Not So Common Sense", or just go here: http://halo.bungie.org/gameplay/stratguide/), you'll find multiple videos and/or articles of me teaching people things about Halo or Smash (I was around in Melee, too!).
If you live in the Midwest, you know I give smash lessons. $3 for a lifetime of lessons whenever I see you. I used to do it for free to everyone, but then a ton of people that weren't really interested would do it "just to see", so I charge $3. Too little to pay with one bill, too much to just give away as a gag, but worth it for anyone who actually wants to learn. In addition to that, I give tips to people that can, and many now have, beat me if they just change their playstyle a tiny bit.
Why?
Because it's easier for them, and it makes them happy. Xisin used to punish my tornadoing his shield by releasing his shield and over-bing me. He thought he was getting a good trade: I do 0%, he does close to 20%. I then was able to beat him whenever I felt like it by tornadoing his shield, getting over-bed, then tornadoing again. He'd have no shield, and I'd instantly shield poke. I'd do about 20% damage on that alone, and then would follow with u-air strings and a nair, then edgeguard... sometime for the KO. He probably wouldn't have figured it out if I hadn't simply pointed it out, or at least wouldn't have for a long time. When I did, it changed his entire perception on positioning and punishment. He instantly learned that your status in the game is sometimes MORE important than simply getting a one-shot deal. Most people don't learn this, and so they get an opportunity and they just use an f-smash instead of stopping and realizing that they'd be better suited to use a u-smash and then attempt to juggle them. They don't realize that making someone chase them to a platform means you can go underneath the platform and they are instantly in a bad position. These things are hard to pick up, and it makes the game SO much more enjoyable when people learn it.
I enjoy teaching people. It makes them happy, and it helps them grow.
Hell, the lesson from this thread is applicable to life. There could be some poor schmuck stuck in a relationship he doesn't want to be in daydreaming about the other girl he always wanted out there. He might read this thread and proclaim:
"HOLY ****! It never dawned on me that I'm sacrificing my own happiness due to some arbitrary moral code I or someone else has imprinted into my brain! I'm not happy in this relationship and I should leave, but I always stopped myself because I felt it was wrong and it'd piss other people off! Now, I'm realizing that if my ultimate goal is personal happiness I shouldn't limit my options based off how other people get angry, because they are getting angry only because my actions are preventing THEIR personal happiness! I merely have to choose between consistinly evaluating my situation based off of myriad of factors that are all unquantifiable and hoping the end result is one that allows me to feel morally clean to do what I've wanted to do in the first place, OR, I can stop being a scrub and just do it!"
Because I'm ****ing hilarious. :D
Seriously, it just makes me giggle. If someone gets offended they wouldn't be around very long anyway.
It is A society. I've been playing the game for a decade, it better be.Alright Overswarm, I understand that you want to help people improve at playing Brawl, that makes sense. Actually, it is quite inspirational. Regardless, you also mentioned that one could be donating to society in lieu of blending into the commonplace. So your society is the Boards?
No. I'm never wrong.To discuss what was found in the thread, you provide the means locating a "good" character, but isn't that in many ways subjective? True there are societal norms that provide a means (where the "society" would be the Boards), but could it be true that there may be other aspects that you may have overlooked that make a good character?
Something tells me that tier list and consistently updated doesn't go together.It is A society. I've been playing the game for a decade, it better be.
No. I'm never wrong.
Also, we have a tier list to help you. It is also subjective, but consistently updated.
We have a treat for you.Something tells me that tier list and consistently updated doesn't go together.
There is a skill you have yet to have shown, and that is something called "get to the frickin point." Why you feel the need to write essays to everything is beyond me, but it's far from necessary. As far as "jobs" go, I am an active marine working my own special 9 to 5, putting my life on the line so others don't have to do it in my stead. I wouldn't trade it for the world. I LOVE what I do, and I can honestly say I would not take a "hammer to my sternum" to do what it is you do because what you do can't compare to what I do on a day to day basis. Don't make assumptions kiddo, you won't be getting anywhere with them. What I do find amusing is this:-snip-
The difference is you don't have to scroll to see all my message, but you have to scroll to see all his, meaning mine is concise and to the point. It would have been a paragraph shorter but I just had to reply to that one sentence of his cause that actually made me laugh a bit. He went into this long unnecessary story about how and why he does the things he does when in reality he didn't have to validate himself to me. Anyone with a brain stem could see that the sheer bluntness of my initial response was dismissive at best. Instead of scanning over and ignoring it, he just had to take that moment to validate himself, why? I dunno. Probably to yield the result of posts like yours where you hope somehow he is going to put me in my place when there is no place for me to be put in.i would say something here, but after his last two posts im actually highly intrigued to see how OS responds to this.
What I will say tho, is that your post was pretty long for the point being to tell someone else that their posts were too long.
While you may not have the patience to read, I do and others do as well; writing something that is humorous to read, or just fun to write, is enjoyable to me. I don't really care about the other end. I mentioned my having a job only because you said I needed to get one and criticized my way of thinking and lifestyle. I didn't ask about yours. I don't care what you do. I don't even care what you think of me; I just thought it prudent to inform you I'm not a money grubbing grinch that steals christmas to pay his electric bill. That's why I told you what I did with my winnings. So you know that I'm not "obviously" some guy talking about how good he is.There is a skill you have yet to have shown, and that is something called "get to the frickin point." Why you feel the need to write essays to everything is beyond me, but it's far from necessary. As far as "jobs" go, I am an active marine working my own special 9 to 5, putting my life on the line so others don't have to do it in my stead. I wouldn't trade it for the world. I LOVE what I do, and I can honestly say I would not take a "hammer to my sternum" to do what it is you do because what you do can't compare to what I do on a day to day basis. Don't make assumptions kiddo, you won't be getting anywhere with them. What I do find amusing is this:
Not nearly as comical as someone saying "I'm a MARINE! OOH-RAH!" and expecting it to justify something he said. I don't care what you do. Hell, you might be a sucky marine that just enlisted because he was targetted in a poor neighborhood and got into the military mindset early. You could be a politician's golden boy who takes out entire anti-US terrorist camps all on his own. Don't care. At all."If someone like that is trying to help you, you listen. You don't ignore it because you can't move past the idea of playing Brawl in any manner that differs from that of a 7 year old."
Lmfao. That first sentence amuses me cause you are talking like you have authority over me. Over a video game. Now I can't hold you at fault for not knowing who I am or what it is I do, but pretend you are a marine who has been shot at constantly as well as see things many people hope to never see in their lives, ever. Pretend you are me, and then pretend I just said that to you. Doesn't it sound completely comical? It should, because I think you'd be ****ed if you let some guy who is good at video games tell a marine THEY better listen to someone on something trivial.
Don't care 'bout Iraq. This is also known as irrelevant. Come to a tournament and say "I'm a MARINE! OOH-RAH!", and I'll still 4 stock you in a 3 stock match. The words aren't magic. My degree is in English and Education, you don't see me posting "I'm a TEACHER! I spend my days creating inspiring and interesting lesson plans to make children learn and be the best they can be so they can go to college instead of getting a dead end job (or being forced to join the military)!" because it doesn't make any **** sense. Me saying "I'm a teacher" wouldn't change an argument's status unless it was about teaching or education. We're not talking about Iraq, combat, the marines, or even the military in general, so you being a Marine doooooooesn't apply at all. You are faceless here, and measured only by your contributions, smash experience, and intelligence. President Obama himself could come into this thread and tell me I shouldn't make long posts and I'd just call him a scrub and get on with my day.I do ignore it cause I play games to unwind, or rather I did when I wasn't in Iraq. It just so happens I play in a style that I wish to be better in, back during the days of when I was a monster in the old street fighter 2 days (we are talking arcade machine brawls and stuff like that.)
So let me get this straight:Either way, you need to learn about getting your point across without essays. That's why I didn't read it. You could have said what had to be said in 2-3 blocks of text instead of 10+. Learn to take criticism. If it wasn't for guys like me then it would be a glorified circle jerk.
Actually, I enjoy writing. I also enjoy arguing. And trolling. And arguing with military people until they say "I just do what I'm told". See that last little bit? It is known as a jab. It is humorous to me to make said jabs, and it isn't personal to you in any way. I actually have no strong feelings towards you whatsoever, but it is enjoyable for me to post in this fashion.The difference is you don't have to scroll to see all my message, but you have to scroll to see all his, meaning mine is concise and to the point. It would have been a paragraph shorter but I just had to reply to that one sentence of his cause that actually made me laugh a bit. He went into this long unnecessary story about how and why he does the things he does when in reality he didn't have to validate himself to me. Anyone with a brain stem could see that the sheer bluntness of my initial response was dismissive at best. Instead of scanning over and ignoring it, he just had to take that moment to validate himself, why? I dunno. Probably to yield the result of posts like yours where you hope somehow he is going to put me in my place when there is no place for me to be put in.
I only brought up my job since you made the assumption that I worked some 9 to 5 at a grocery store or a typical college going kid's job. That's all that was. Nothing more. To be fair there was some assumptions being thrown around on my end towards you because most people do play games for money and strictly so. Live off mommy and daddy till they are 30 and what have you. If you are actually working, good. To be frank I have a grudge against anyone who doesn't do anything with their lives. I hate all welfare hounds and I know so many people who do that. I wasn't exactly pointing the finger at you for that, but it was ready to be jabbed through your eye if I was correct and that's ALL you did.-snip-
My English professors didn't grade my smashboards post.Side note is that you bring up you are majoring English which makes me laugh cause maybe your professors are different then the ones I had, but they'd have an aneurysm with all the fluff you constantly generate. But that's neither here nor there.
Me killing time while I kill poker.and yes, it does get boring out there. Although I don't go back until like....a couple weeks from now. So this is just me killing time while I cook.
agreed.This was an interesting thing for me to read at 5:37 am. I like your writing style, it's clever and doesn't get boring.
In which people move on to a different game, like Melee or 64 or a Brawl mod or something that isn't even Smash like TvC.What *might end up happening if a large sum of people really listened and dedicated to this is the game would get boring. Really boring. And what *might happen is that people get sick of it and quit the game. Then *maybe there would be fewer people attending tournaments. *If that happens then *possibly what will happen is that Brawl loses sponsors and such. The game would die slowly. Just speculation.