Impa, the Enigmatic Sheikah, Sage of Shadow

[Bowserlick]

Characters mostly use their most iconic abilities, or abilities best representing their series (say, for the StarFox / Mother characters). Sheik is not the most iconic thing Zelda did. Pure and simple.

The "Sheik is Zelda thing" might actually be one of the most iconic things that happened with Zelda. In fact, Nintendo even repeated the "you-thought-this-character-was-not-Zelda-but-it-is-Zelda" again afterwords with Tetra.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah, but thing is: Tetra is not Sheik.

 

[Bowserlick]

Right. The concept you seemed to have missed is that the Zelda with "two forms" in Ocarina was repeated in Wind Waker. Fans liked the Sheik/Zelda surprise and developers did too, which may have been why it was repeated. At least pretend to be somewhat logical.

 

[Frostwraith]

Yeah, but thing is: Tetra is not Sheik.

But it's the same concept. The same idea: a character who secretly is Zelda. The first character to have this attribute is Sheik.

Also, Sheik has become iconic by herself, since there are cameos in Scribblenauts Unlimited and Tekken Tag Tournament 2, two third party games featuring references to Nintendo games.

Tetra may not be Sheik, but is based on the same concept of Zelda having an alter ego.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Bowserlick.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I cannot pretend something is logical when it's not.

 

[Frostwraith]

I cannot pretend something is logical when it's not.

You're thick, aren't you?

Worse than a blind man is a blind man who doesn't want to see.

 

[Deleted member]

The most iconic thing Zelda's ever done by your logic is be useless and get either kidnapped or cursed depending on the game. Or possessed.

Hell, if it's all about what is iconic for Zelda, then she shouldn't be playable at all.

 

[Diddy Kong]

She's a Goddess incarnation in Skyward Sword. Why the **** should she turn into a ninja?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

She's a Goddess incarnation in Skyward Sword. Why the **** should she turn into a ninja?

The same reason that the princess who fought against twilight invaders did.

CAUSE SAKURAI!!!

 

[Frostwraith]

She's a Goddess incarnation in Skyward Sword. Why the **** should she turn into a ninja?

This.

Why would her descendant do, by that logic? Zelda has her powers because she's the Goddess reincarnated. The Hylian Royal Family descends from Skyward Sword Zelda, thus they all inherit her magical powers.

You could argue that all Zeldas are reincarnations of the Goddess, which is sort of true, since the powers are preserved across the generations.

 

[FlareHabanero]

The same reason that the princess who fought against twilight invaders did.

CAUSE SAKURAI!!!

Apparently, Sakurai = wizard. Good to know.

 

[Bowserlick]

She's a Goddess incarnation in Skyward Sword. Why the **** should she turn into a ninja?

Ah, another example of Zelda having two forms. A goddess who became mortal, a princess raised as a pirate, and a princess also disguised as a Sheikah ninja. Almost seems like transformation is a theme. You might even say ICONIC.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nah. It's a pretty big difference. And Sheik would only be iconic if she herself was the transformation every time. Which she isn't. So Sheik isn't iconic.

 

[Deleted member]

She's a Goddess incarnation in Skyward Sword. Why the **** should she turn into a ninja?

Unfortunately for you, being a "Goddess reincarnate" doesn't mean anything as the only thing she's seemingly capable of doing is sleeping in a crystal.
Otherwise, she's just a typical mortal.

So again, since Zelda apparently should have only things that are "iconic" to her in Smash, she has literally nothing to use, meaning she should not be playable.

Aside from that, being known as a goddess reincarnate is not that iconic by your logic, as it's only touched upon in ONE GAME. None of the future Zeldas were goddesses, just ancestors of a mortal who USED TO BE a goddess.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Still better than Sheik however.

 

[Deleted member]

And here's why no one likes talking to you about this issue; you've got your head so far up your ass in bias, it's hard to tell if the **** is coming out your ass itself or your mouth.

 

[Diddy Kong]

All I'm seeing is bias towards Sheik however. Shame she was cut for Twilight Princess. Otherwise the game might've been called ****** Princess.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, ignore major counterpoints to your heavily flawed and biased logic that don't even MENTION Sheik, and just label it as a "bias for Sheik".

You know what? I was going to try to have a decent discussion with you in regards to your points in favor of Impa through PM (which you never provided me), but I can see now that you're too incredibly biased for that skinny hermaphrodite snank to ever have any "decent" discussion on the issue.

What I'm going to do now is just bide my time, and wait for when it is inevitably revealed that Zelda can still become Sheik in Smash 4 and Impa is not even a seperate character. Then I'm going to strike so hard to add insult to injury, that you end up strangling yourself with your Impa blow-up doll filled with joint.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

All I'm seeing is bias towards Sheik however. Shame she was cut for Twilight Princess. Otherwise the game might've been called ****** Princess.

You're just trolling people at this point aren't you?

 

[Frostwraith]

You're just trolling people at this point aren't you?

Hence the trollface... (o.o)

Yeah, that's blatant trolling and it's not funny at all.

 

[AEMehr]

Nah. It's a pretty big difference. And Sheik would only be iconic if she herself was the transformation every time. Which she isn't. So Sheik isn't iconic.

R.O.B. can't be considered iconic then. I mean he only saved the Video Game Industry ONE time then.
Many iconic characters have only appeared once. It's the importance of the character, not how relevant a character is.

You also seem to love to ignore how Smash Brothers isn't canon at all. Skyward Sword Zelda can still be able to turn into Sheik if the developers wanted her to. Impa would be fine enough as her own character with her own moveset. She is prominent enough next to Tingle after all.

It's also tough to want to support a character if people like you try to force feed it into everyone.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't bother AEM.
You'd have a better shot at convincing Ove to change his ways about Adeleine.

 

[AEMehr]

Don't bother AEM.
You'd have a better shot at convincing Ove to change his ways about Adeleine.

Well Ove and I actually came to an agreement regarding Adeleine.

So that's been over for a bit.

 

[Deleted member]

Well Ove and I actually came to an agreement regarding Adeleine.

So that's been over for a bit.

Ah, really? I wouldn't know; I can't see his posts now.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm in doubt as to whether it's a pro- Impa thread or an anti-Sheik thread.

And Diddy hasn't yet posted his wonderful moveset for Impa?

If a die-hard Impa supporter can't come up with a moveset for her, Impa definitely lacks potential.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'm in doubt as to whether it's a pro- Impa thread or an anti-Sheik thread.

And Diddy hasn't yet posted his wonderful moveset for Impa?

If a die-hard Impa supporter can't come up with a moveset for her, Impa definitely lacks potential.

Even my Duck Hunt Dog thread is a pro-Duck Hunt Dog thread even though it doesn't get much activity. And hey, I even came up with a moveset for the dog.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah I said I was gonna make a moveset, but not when I would have it ready. Good things come to those who wait they say.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah I said I was gonna make a moveset, but not when I would have it ready. Good things come to those who wait they say.

Like Duke Nukem Forever?

 

[FalKoopa]

Diddy will have an Impa moveset ready by Smash 5. That is, after Sakurai decides to add her.

 

[Diddy Kong]

First, y'all hate Impa, now you can't wait for a moveset?

What is this, I don't even...

 

[AEMehr]

First, y'all hate Impa, now you can't wait for a moveset?

What is this, I don't even...

It's not like we all hate Impa. We hate the way you want to present her in smash and how strong headed you are on the subject.

I mean I'd be fine with Impa with her own moveset. I just don't think that it's a good idea to remove Sheik for her, thats all.

 

[Diddy Kong]

...

Dude, you just entered the discussion this page. What do you know about how I discuss Impa?

Thing is, I can't really decide what moves I really want to use for Impa. Cause I have basically too many ideas. I feel Impa could have a style close to hybrid of Sheik and Lucario's styles. Maybe even be a mix of Zelda and Sheik even. As I feel she could have a lot of magic in her moves as well. But faster than Zelda. But overall, she'll be a quick combo based character.

Will write it later. Not today, maybe tomorrow.
If I'm sober.

 

[Deleted member]

He's a lurker and friend of mine.
He knows ALL about your annoying propoganda.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well that explains things.

 

[AEMehr]

He's a lurker and friend of mine.
He knows ALL about your annoying propoganda.

Well that and uh, I kind of can read topics too. It's easy to find out how Diddy discusses Impa by just reading these six pages.

 

[Gallowglass]

Well that and uh, I kind of can read topics too. It's easy to find out how Diddy discusses Impa by just reading these six pages.

Holy crap, someone who reads the pages before? There is intelligence on this site.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well that and uh, I kind of can read topics too. It's easy to find out how Diddy discusses Impa by just reading these six pages.

Good chance you still don't know much.

 

[AEMehr]

Good chance you still don't know much.

I know enough to state my opinion.

 

[Diddy Kong]

This feels like being overhead by the cops.

 

[volbound1700]

Well one thing about Impa, if she clones Shiek's moveset, she would be very easy to add to the game. They could do the following

Zelda, WW Zelda/Tetra, Impa

That is 3 chars with Impa just being a copy over of the previous Shiek.