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Lucario Metagame Discussion
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#HBC | Red Ryu
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Wolf or Fox.
My suggestion.
My suggestion.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
What about Marth?
#HBC | Red Ryu
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I'm leaning on Fox, because it's my least favorite character to play against, period.
Also people say we may have a disadvantage him, even if I don't agree.
Also people say we may have a disadvantage him, even if I don't agree.
culexus・wau
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h8 fighting fox
RUN AND LASER AND UPSMASH
RUN AND LASER AND UPSMASH
D. Disciple
Smash Master
Everyone thinks they have an advantage against us.
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I'm kinda sad to say this is true.
In this case though I actually think Fox has some traits that I can honestly see being pretty good vs Lucario.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yup
Wolf I can see as much being more even than fox imo
although FH shine's annoying to deal with.
Wolf I can see as much being more even than fox imo
although FH shine's annoying to deal with.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
I actually relearned the wolf match up. so I'm not too worried.
culexus・wau
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Wolf MU isn't hard at all.
Airwalking DownB like... ***** follow-ups. <3
I'm convinced outside of a spike wolf has a hard time gimping us
Airwalking DownB like... ***** follow-ups. <3
I'm convinced outside of a spike wolf has a hard time gimping us
Alus
Smash Champion
I vote wolf.
It seems like when you're 100% on the edge you will never get back up. :/
It seems like when you're 100% on the edge you will never get back up. :/
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
^This
It's not about the gimping/edgeguarding, it's the ledge that's the problem.
It's not about the gimping/edgeguarding, it's the ledge that's the problem.
Steam
Smash Hero
even the peach boards say they go even with us XD
and the DK boards think they 60:40 us :/
Linkshot
Smash Hero
I hate Donkey Kong aaarrrrrgh.
My hardest matchup.
My hardest matchup.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
How to beat a Donkey Kong, ftilt him.
Steam
Smash Hero
yeah as soon as you get in on DK you give him the **** lol
culexus・wau
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Donkey Kong feels like a lucario ditto imo.
you guys of all people should know what I mean.
someone tally votes im lazy
you guys of all people should know what I mean.
someone tally votes im lazy
D. Disciple
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We're doing Wolf.
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Go ahead and do Wolf, I wanna be ready for Kain in two weeks. 
D. Disciple
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Wolf it is then. 7pm central works for you guys?
AlexoftheAura
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That should be fine, do you want me to start asking the Wolf mains to show up?
Alus
Smash Champion
Am I able to just jump in and watch or do I have to contribute? :/
AlexoftheAura
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Just jump in, sit back, and enjoy a cup of tea as the discussion takes place.
culexus・wau
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make sure someone convinces gheb or xonar [did xonar ever play wolf? or an I mixing him up with falco..] to come in.
Maybe even that seagull guy
plz
Maybe even that seagull guy
plz
D. Disciple
Smash Master
You do it Flame. I'll be lurking in the discussion. Got a lot of work at the house.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Seagullman and Kain would be great since they both have Luc exp
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Wolf vs Lucario is a 50-50 matchup. Lucario can gimp Wolf, but Wolf can too with shine gimps. Wolf's bair is a great zoning tool and Wolf's fair out prioritizes all of Lucario's moves. Wolf can reflect aura balls so Lucarios should watch how they use their aura. Wolf's recovery isn't amazing, but Lucario shouldn't easily gimp it unless he gets a lucky fair>fair>dair where Wolf is under the stage. Wolf's laser camping game is not as useful as aura, but can keep Lucario at bay. Wolf is heavy and so is Lucario. Wolf can shine every one of Lucarios attacks and zone fairly well with jumpshine camp.
I mostly get killed in this matchup by uairs. Fsmash's rarely kill me in this matchup unless I'm trying to recover and do something stupid. I kill Lucarios usually with fresh bairs, fairs, or dsmash.
I've played Junebug a lot and yesterday when we versed we went even. He beat me with Mk though lol.
I mostly get killed in this matchup by uairs. Fsmash's rarely kill me in this matchup unless I'm trying to recover and do something stupid. I kill Lucarios usually with fresh bairs, fairs, or dsmash.
I've played Junebug a lot and yesterday when we versed we went even. He beat me with Mk though lol.
culexus・wau
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Wolf can't gimp lucario so easily imo.
but neither can luc to wolf.
I've yet to fight a wolf that can gimp me outside of dair spikes.
our UpB kicks in faster then your UpB :x
I agree that its even though.
and this isn't a MU discussion thread D:
you missed the discussion /cry
So Guys I think we should do a topic this time.
Not a character Match-up
Zoning.
Edgeguarding
recovery
etc.
but neither can luc to wolf.
I've yet to fight a wolf that can gimp me outside of dair spikes.
our UpB kicks in faster then your UpB :x
I agree that its even though.
and this isn't a MU discussion thread D:
you missed the discussion /cry
So Guys I think we should do a topic this time.
Not a character Match-up
Zoning.
Edgeguarding
recovery
etc.
Gah777
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Wolfs are lazy and always late.
Erm... matchup stuff... hmmm....
On the ground Lucario can out space Wolf, but at mid range (Wolf's jab/ f-tilt range where Wolf is still out of grab range) Wolf has the upper hand imo. In the air I would say Wolf has the advantage here because of his superior air speed. I'd say it's still even though because Lucario has lots of combos and stuff on Wolf and outspaces at long range (f-smash/f-tilt range I guess).
D Who?
Smash Journeyman
Lucario baits wolf easily too. Just what I have noticed. I don't think it's a good match for wolf. I mean, just stay out of ftilt and dsmash range and he can't kill. To me it's alot like playing zzs
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
he's also got fair for killing
and laaaate bair if he's playing the MU right.
and laaaate bair if he's playing the MU right.
D Who?
Smash Journeyman
Well I really have trouble with Marths and Dittys. Like I need personal help. Like I ****ing know man... Snake seems unbeatable to me too. Like, I like to think I'm a better lulu, I have no trouble with oli, G&W DDD and others. But Marth and Ditty and snake. I really need help. Marth especially... Please help me someone?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Marth:
ftilt and fsmash outrange fair, AS can be useful against them when they try to do more SHFF retreating fairs.
Nair is scary
rolling is pretty good to crossup marth, just make sure you space and don't mess up, and don't get predictable.
don't get offstage lol, and beware of tipper bair if you do.
if you get caught in DB, learn to SDI out of it.
Don't get overconfident in dair, Marth has a lot of frame traps.
Don't get predictable after throws, mix it up.
When marth is on the edge, cover lots of options, space yourself so that he can't get you with a ledge hop fair/nair/shieldbreaker, and pressure with fsmash/dtilt/ftilt to make him ledge jump then uair/AS him for it.
MikeHAZE v. Trela is probably the best set to watch against Marth currently, I highly recommend looking it up.
ftilt and fsmash outrange fair, AS can be useful against them when they try to do more SHFF retreating fairs.
Nair is scary
rolling is pretty good to crossup marth, just make sure you space and don't mess up, and don't get predictable.
don't get offstage lol, and beware of tipper bair if you do.
if you get caught in DB, learn to SDI out of it.
Don't get overconfident in dair, Marth has a lot of frame traps.
Don't get predictable after throws, mix it up.
When marth is on the edge, cover lots of options, space yourself so that he can't get you with a ledge hop fair/nair/shieldbreaker, and pressure with fsmash/dtilt/ftilt to make him ledge jump then uair/AS him for it.
MikeHAZE v. Trela is probably the best set to watch against Marth currently, I highly recommend looking it up.
D Who?
Smash Journeyman
Thank you. I'll watch it and put it to good use
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Ftilt? He isn't Snake.
He kills with mostly Fair and Dsmash. Also fresh Bair is a good kill move.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
I'm keeping this alive. Since the boards are doing the pika match up. I say we have pika meta discussion as well to add onto this. Someone alert the pika mains.
Linkshot
Smash Hero
Don't the pikas stalk us already?