From 0 you could probably get 3-4 uairs on marth.
0_o. You're completely wrong here though.
DI the throw one way and the uair the other. Fox flies past you after getting one uair. If you miss the DI on the throw, DI the uair one way and the next uair the opposite. Fox gets two uairs.
....3-4 uairs is false.
You could also bair or nair but thats higher percents and to knock them off the stage.
Those are at higher percents. Marth's **** comes from 0 <_<.
Platforms, shineouts, and DI can make it hard for marth to get that optimal chain grab, there are just alot more factors and things that can go wrong.
But the fact is that when they go right he gets a lot more than Fox does. That's why it isn't a fair comparison.
Fox can just upthrow upair and its pretty much **** at all viable percents.
It's not **** at zero percent. It's not **** at 60%. Hell, it's not really a problem until kill percents.
Platforms only increase its effectiveness. 4/5 stages have platforms. The top platforms usually arent good for marth while being excellent for fox, and the platforms on dreamland arent as good for marth, but they even out foxs kill percentage.
By that same notion though, the bottom platforms are GREAT for Marth. They make it extremely difficult for Fox to even get down, they extend Marth's combos (even extending them into the 120%+ range, which is where he otherwise has trouble comboing into kills or edgeguards), and they give him more mobility (Marth's waveland is SOOOO GOOOD). And 4/5 stages have these bottom platforms <_<
Lasers and upthrow upair rack up damage pretty quickly, along with lil baby sized pot shots you can get with his speed. Most ppl die around 115%(rough estimate) and much less with the use of platforms.
And chainthrowing racks damage even quicker, along with little d-tilts and fairs. Most people die around 70%, a little more with the use of platforms.
btw lasers don't rack damage quickly. Marth catches up to Fox from across FD before even taking 9% from lasers (isn't it convenient that his run animation is low enough to go under the high lasers?) If you keep lasering when Marth is close then Marth will kill you on the spot.
If you look at efficiency as what you can do off 1 grab at 0, then marths is probably more efficient, at higher percents Id say foxs.
But being efficient FROM ZERO until kill percents is much better than being efficient AT kill percents. Marth's grab is always a serious threat, while for quite a while Fox's grab is only a minor annoyance.
Foxs vertical **** combo can be almost as damaging percent wise and take much less effort and less moves.
DI it better <_<
Foxs upthrow upair is pretty rewarding, its not a 0-death cg but its more reliable and a better suit for all situations vs some. Its possible to get a shine gimpy from it as well.
Well if you want to go the gimp route, Marth can get those out of his chainthrow too <_<. Near an edge you can f-throw or d-throw (depending on which way Marth is facing) into a d-tilt for a pretty much guaranteed edgeguard. You can also run off and fair, or f-tilt, or f-smash. You can end your chaingrab in a fair combo to directly lead into edgeguards as well.
Marth combos Fox A LOT better than vice versa. Fox's upthrow->uair being easy to do means nothing, because that's all it is. One mistake for Fox can mean death, while Marth has more leniency in that regard. And even with neither of them making mistakes, it's only a matter of time before Fox runs out of room, and it's during this time that Marth has his best chance of catching and killing Fox. Both of them are close to the ledge and Fox has to get around marth, you really couldn't ask for a more optimal position for Marth, and Fox is willingly giving this to him?
Oh, and stop saying Marth's chainthrow is hard to do <_<. Marth's chainthrow is ridiculously easy compared to the stuff Fox has to do in the matchup (do you think it's EASY to space yourself just barely out of Marth's range throughout the entire match?)
