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[Dogysamich]

*pops head back in*

.... oof.

*walks out the side door*

Oh man, this is... .... oof.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Marth>>Fox

 

[Charlesz]

Marth=fox . But depends on stage.

 

[Dark Hart]

Those are good examples - thanks. It looks like CCing goes both ways in the matchup, though I'm not convinced that Fox can use those CC tricks if Marth spaces correctly and tippers the aerials.

NA, you're very welcome. And if Marth tippers the aerials it just gives fox the opportunity to ASDI a tech and at that point it's up to the Marth to see it coming and react fast enough. If not the games starts all over again, or Fox capitalizes.

Marth>>Fox

Beat JMan in tourney =P jk love your Marth though, come to HERB3.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Ive beaten Jman multiple times in tourny. I jus dnt get the pleasure of playing him anymore because were never at the same tourny. Theres an HERB 3? News to me

 

[Dark Hart]

Ive beaten Jman multiple times in tourny. I jus dnt get the pleasure of playing him anymore because were never at the same tourny. Theres an HERB 3? News to me

We'll he'll be at HERB3, so beat him there lol. it's the last weekend this month. G$ I think is giving some people rides or something talk to him

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

I still feel that Raptor Boost ***** ICs, but I mean I only live 5 mins away from NC's best IC main.

Just saw this.


D`aaaawww. You're sweet but I'm not that good.

Raptor Boost is one of those options that just wierd to use. Its high risk high reward against everyone. IC can actually sheildgrab it if we time the grab perfectly and we can Bair OoS if he crosses us up. However if the falcon crosses up our shield with an aerial and expects a Bair, he can Raptor Boost after the aerial to avoid the Bair altogether and then **** us.

It's really weird.



I'll try to discuss more of IC's matchups when the time comes but Fly's more knowledgeable than I and we're on Fox right now.

 

[Xianglian]

Marth/Jiggs is EVEN? on what planet?

-apologies if my noob status offends you, i just think that marth/jiggs is at least with marth at a slight advantage

 

[Dark Hart]

Marth/Jiggs is EVEN? on what planet?

-apologies if my noob status offends you, i just think that marth/jiggs is at least with marth at a slight advantage

Sorry, we're talking about Fox now.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Are we discussing Marth v. Fox on NTSC, or Pal, because his falling after shine definitely changes the matchup slightly.

 

[Alphicans]

>__________>. NTSC obviously.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

>__________>. NTSC obviously.

Sorry, lol. Noob mistake. I tried to sound smart.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

But, IMO, the matchup really depends on the stage. On stages like Yoshi's, Marth ***** Fox, but on stages like Corneria, Fox has the upper hand.

 

[Alphicans]

I think on yoshi's Marth brings the m/u back to even, and maybe also on FoD. I think on the other neutrals fox has enough room to camp effectively. Stage striking wise it'd go like this:

Fox strikes yoshi's, FD
Marth strikes Dream land and probably battlefield.

So I guess first match would be on FoD (most likely). In my region, pokestad is left as neutral and we stage strike till we have two and then random between the two, which gives more stage variety. I am not really sure what stage this match-up will most likely take place on, but it'd probably between FoD and BF.

 

[Dark Hart]

At the highest level of play, Yoshi's Story is actually even.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Marth/Jiggs is EVEN? on what planet?

-apologies if my noob status offends you, i just think that marth/jiggs is at least with marth at a slight advantage

This is irrelevant, but by any chance, are you the same dude who was flaccid during the Wombo Combo?

 

[t3h Icy]

Fox U Match-ups

Fox >>> G&W
Fox = Jigglypuff

And Fox >> or >>> Y.Link?

 

[Dark Hart]

Fox > Puff

I'll try to get Colin to explain it since he's the best Fox vs Puff, but he never posts anymore...

 

[Nintendude]

We've heard plenty of reasoning for Fox > Puff but when top Jiggly players not only say otherwise, but also happen to consistently beat just about every Fox player out there, it's easy to see why calling it close to even isn't unreasonable.

 

[Alphicans]

Fox >> Y.link or >>> y.link would both be acceptable, but I just can't see fox and falco be in the same difficulty class. That's my only beef with >>>.

 

[t3h Icy]

Fox >> Y.link or >>> y.link would both be acceptable, but I just can't see fox and falco be in the same difficulty class. That's my only beef with >>>.

Well both would be maxed out in terms of how difficult the match-up is, but I get your point.

Fox = Jiggz

Fox > Puff

Are Jiggz and Puff different?

 

[Nintendude]

>> implies that the matchup is reasonably winnable but very difficult.
>>> implies that it's almost hopeless if the opponent doesn't make many mistakes. There are different degrees of a hopeless matchup, so they can still both be >>>

 

[Dark Hart]

Are Jiggz and Puff different?

Duh.

jk

I just changed my mind, though I do see why people say Fox = Puff. I'm not going to argue it, but like I said I'm going to try to get Colin to post something on it.

 

[t3h Icy]

I PM'd Mango to ask what he thinks of Fox/Jigglypuff, so hopefully we'll get some more insight.

 

[KAOSTAR]

he is either not going to respond or say

Ahhhhh RAAAAPPPPEEE!!!

 

[x After Dawn x]

no he's probably going to say "omg you guys are dumb fox raaaapes puff"

just like how he thinks marth is the best character in the game and jiggs is 5th >_>

 

[Divinokage]

I think you guys are being played around a little too easily. =P

Edit: It's like if the president says some random **** or promises to have everyone elect him. But is it really true? Probably not. lol.

What you see or hear is not always true!

 

[Lovage]

no he's probably going to say "omg you guys are dumb fox raaaapes puff"

just like how he thinks marth is the best character in the game and jiggs is 5th >_>

i don't think u guys should hang on the every word of pros like mango and m2k
they change their minds a lot and half the time aren't that serious when they say stuff like that (like mango saying marth is the best)

 

[The Star King]

We've heard plenty of reasoning for Fox > Puff but when top Jiggly players not only say otherwise, but also happen to consistently beat just about every Fox player out there, it's easy to see why calling it close to even isn't unreasonable.

I disagree with this, because when you say "top Jiggly players" you are of course talking about Mango and Hungrybox, and while they DO beat just about every Fox player, they beat about every player in general. They're just really ****ing good players. With your logic, you're saying Jiggly has no bad match-ups since these players beat everybody.

 

[unknown522]

@ KK - Fox is gay with like all of his attacks, Marth needs a grab to win.

@ NA - I can't believe your ignorance in this match-up. M2K CC's to grab all the time. I'm done with Marth vs Fox. I've already explained myself. oh btw, Fox can CC fair to upsmash, and ASDI a tech from the dash attack

gottal love marth's easy grab -> death combos.

Fox isn't the only one who can do **** in the matchup.

 

[Divinokage]

i don't think u guys should hang on the every word of pros like mango and m2k
they change their minds a lot and half the time aren't that serious when they say stuff like that (like mango saying marth is the best)

Well they pretty much have most players around their fingers.

 

[Dark Hart]

gottal love marth's easy grab -> death combos.

Fox isn't the only one who can do **** in the matchup.

wow, you're right. good thing I never said that fox >>>>>> marth, only Fox > Marth. -.-

 

[KirbyKaze]

@ KK - Fox is gay with like all of his attacks, Marth needs a grab to win.

You make it seem like Marth has zero setups for grab.

 

[DTR]

who needs a setup? have you seen his grab range? too good

 

[Dark Hart]

You make it seem like Marth has zero setups for grab.

I mean, I kinda have to to get my point across. Fox > Marth is such a "radical" idea around here, and if I make the match-up seem close people are going to be like, "oh it's pretty close let's call it even." I don't agree with even. I'm just trying to get my point across.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Dark, its not in fox's favor. Fox can do really well against marth, but marth can do really well against fox. Its an even matchup, both players must play patiently and smart, and whoever does that better wins. If either hits the other, it basically leads to a grab. If either grabs the other, its a free combo to 60% or more. They both cover the stage 100% once they get stage control.

 

[Dark Hart]

okay, you guys do what you want

 

[x After Dawn x]

fox vs marth is pretty even

it pretty much boils down to who can play the matchup better

 

[KAOSTAR]

I think its in fox's favor.

Marth is pretty much just has more range, fox has the speed to counter.

Fox just has many more options to get kills at all percents. Marth only does well vs fox at lower mid percents.

If you get him too high you are at a disadvantage because you can no longer combo, which is pretty much when marth gets his kills.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Marth is more explosive than Fox, however, at those low percents.