i recognize that most people don't know the matchup, admittedly you and skratch have both said that you lack major knowledge, but you are both smart players who have been in the scene a long time, and you in particular have amazing spacing, seriously, tippers seem op when you land em as often as you do, which seems to be a primary reason for why people keep saying the matchup is >>
and yea i know not all >>'s are equal
but to put marth on the same level as ganon puff and sheik?
no
i'm all for playing you more, if there's some smashfests going down just lmk and i'll try to get there
the only marths who i've fought who -know- the matchup, who have said themselves, are my friend zer0 and another friend who's brother plays a samus. but i hesitate to mention either of them because they are unknown.
it seems a double standard to me though, to say that a marth who knows the matchup makes it >> when i'm a samus who knows the matchup saying it's >
i guess i could compare it to the worse matchups
what ganon has on samus over marth:
1) a better fair which eats through more of samus's moves than marths, also kills samus, also can hit samus shield spaced prefectly or poorly without getting punished too hard, at most he gets UB'd and gets a chance at another aerial where as marth can get naired if it's poorly timed/spaced
2) better shield pressure with jabs
3) better edgeguard, bair fair and uair all either kill samus or put her in a terrible spot, also his double jump makes for faster more unpredictable edgeguards than marth's bair & dj
4) better pressure from below , coming down from above a ganon, or being on a platform above a ganon is far more scary to me than a marth, mainly cause ganon's **** kills at lower %'s and puts you farther out at lower %'s than marths, if the marth wants to juggle me up to 200% with upairs it's whatever, it's still going to take a tipper fsmash, ftilt, uptilt, side b or whatever, all of which can be punished, ganon however has reliable kills in almost all his aerials.
puff:
1)better OoS punishes on dash attack, and all her smashes (rests)
2) better edgeguard, when puff comes out to play with samus he has so many opportunities for a bair which either kills you or puts you in a bad spot
3) better shield pressure, spaced aerials coupled with puffs aerial maneuverability make for an extremely annoying shield pressure game.
-note; i have a fair ammount of puff experience as well, the brother of the marth i play constantly plays puff, i usually just light shield so puffs aerials hit me far enough away to make for a safe wd oos
4) can't be combo'd as hard as marth can, very hard to get hits in
5) far easier punishes for whiffed moves samus throws out
6) i'd say about the same or maybe a little better, factoring rests, killability on samus. bair, upair, upsmash/rest OoS, nair fsmash, gimping
sheik:
1) better grab game, leads into kills, which counters what a lot of samus's are use to doing, shielding.
3) needles to gimp, and a projectile in general to compete with samus's helps quite a bit.
4) tilts that are quick enough to prevent shield grabs, yet can be spaced to make UB's risky
5) being in the air vs shiek is worse than marth, especially if you can die from a uair or fair
6) better edgeguard game, needles are a more spammable reliable safer method of removing samus's grapple (which i still claim is harder than you all make it seem. From the time you air dodge to the last second you can grapple is like a full second or two, wait for an action and then pop your grapple. I've even hesitated completely when i know they're going to commit to hitting me, not used my grapple, and gotten hit after my air dodge, thus saving my grapple)
i have two friends who main ganon/cfalc
i have a decent amount of ganon experience
it's on another level
and tbh i beat the my puff friend's puff more than i beat my marth friends marth. but i still see how ****ing gay that matchup is
the marth knows my playstyle, he catches wavelands/dashes that surprise every other person i play against, he dash attacks under missiles that force shields/defensive actions on every body else i play against
he dairs and bairs me OoS on **** that surprises me some times
he knows the samus matchup as much as i know the marth matchup, and we both know each others playstyles, but the **** carry's over.