Ness' Official Frame Data (Taunt frame data is up)

[paper otavio]

Weird how he never bothered to develop them until he got older......

 

[Earthbound360]

He never needed to develop them. Well actually, maybe if he got hit with the ball during his minor league games it woulda been nice to have a little first aid on hand. w/e

And Vice, I really fail to see how the Ref + Clint x Sex = Baby works without the sex.

And we must remember, thesage is the one HAVING the babies.

Uhh I blame Levitas...

 

[Neon Ness]

And we must remember, thesage is the one HAVING the babies.

Uhh I blame Levitas...

Of course. thesage is the token chick, after all. Probably in the kitchen right now making a sammich.

 

[Earthbound360]

Oh yeah, he's still winning that category in the Superlatives also.

Uhh I blame Ademisk...

 

[ViceGrip]

Artificial insemination ftw?

and blaming Ademisk is always a good idea. Has he died off from smashboards officially? Now he's just the Lord and dictator over the Happy Happy Cult.

the sage definitely has the right hips for child bearing, good call.

 

[Levitas]

Oh yeah, he's still winning that category in the Superlatives also.

Uhh I blame Levitas...

fixed it there for you.

 

[Earthbound360]

Hey they were the ones who said it in the first place >_>

I just kinda implied someone in the HHC was a girl and Ademisk assumed thesage. Then Levitas+blue font confirmed it.

 

[Ref]

Ref is trash. I'll totally 10$ mm him in a Ness ditto. See you sometime over the summer. This totally makes us rivals and bitter enemies.

I would never take a 10% Ness ditto money match because Ness is a really hard match up for me.

I like you sage therefore we cannot be bitter enemies.

Everyone knows that babies come from Storks, who deliver them.



Sage is kind of cool once you get past his ability to randomly troll/make fun of people sarcastically.

 

[thesage]

I would never take a 10% Ness ditto money match because Ness is a really hard match up for me..

Wait, so the winner gets 10 percent of the loser's skill? HOLY CRAP!

A really fun thing to do if you're ever in a Ness ditto is to pick pirate ship and you both get in the water on the left side of the stage and have a contest on who can spike the other better. It's really fun.

I like you sage therefore we cannot be bitter enemies..

Sage used the Curse Words.

"I hate you!"

Sage is kind of cool once you get past his ability to randomly troll/make fun of people sarcastically.

I got that ability once I ported it online and realized swf is usually a joke with a few good posters. I lurk in the shadows until they emerge. I am never serious when I insult somebody and try to make that as obvious as possible. If I troll you, I'm not serious unless I say so.

 

[Ref]

Yep and the % thing was a type, a really cool one too.

Pirate ship is boring,

75M Ness dittos.

 

[Earthbound360]

It'll all just be PKT and PSIM.

 

[Gaussis]

I wish Ness still had that ping sound when he did his DJ and his PK moves. That way in a Ness ditto, that's all that you would hear.

Ness dittos are better on Jungle Japes lol.

 

[Earthbound360]

I want it back. Ness hardly has his own "sound" now.

Ike's got that metal crash sound
Lucas has that PSI sound like "pshoo"
ROB has those little bops
MK has those chink sounds to his sword

Ness is a really silent fighter

 

[thesage]

Ness has the pshoo sound too.


I just saw the me being a girl conversation. If I ever meet Levitas IRL, I'll make a woman out of him forcefully.

I request the hitstun values again.

 

[Earthbound360]

Ness' pshoo sound is hardly audible and only like on like 3 moves -_-

And crap thesage, if I see u IRL Im running so far. Far away.

 

[Ref]

Ness has the pshoo sound too.


I just saw the me being a girl conversation. If I ever meet Levitas IRL, I'll make a woman out of him forcefully.

I request the hitstun values again.

What hitstun values? Don't you know hit stun varies on character, and on %s?

Don't you mean like hit lag or something?

 

[Gaussis]

Lol, I want to know about this. Thread plz.

Pshoo sound does not compare with the ping from 64/Melee. DJC made it even better.

I think he meant shield stun. Oh, I would like to know the shield stun value of PKT's tail on shields.

 

[Ref]

Oh yeah I forgot to do shield lag/stun for specials I'll do that soon.

 

[M]

I want it back. Ness hardly has his own "sound" now.

Ike's got that metal crash sound
Lucas has that PSI sound like "pshoo"
ROB has those little bops
MK has those chink sounds to his sword

Ness is a really silent fighter

Well... Ness' bat and yoyo make kinda unique noises...

 

[ColinJF]

The number of frames of hitstun is just directly proportional to the magnitude of the force with which the character is launched. This is why grounded meteors seem to have a "lot of hitstun"; the ground absorbs approximately 20% of the initial launch force, but the original force is what is used to calculate the hitstun.

More information on forces and such: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216700

 

[thesage]

I was kinda hoping you would get the hitstun values against all characters for uair, ,dair, fair, and nair. It would really help me with project omega research and my own research as well.

 

[ColinJF]

There are no "hitstun values". As I said above, the number of frames of hitstun is directly proportional to the magnitude of the force with which the character is launched. The constant of proportionality is the same for all moves.

 

[thesage]

I wasn't asking him to test the hitstun values for a single move (I know that's not true, characters had different hitstun levels in melee as well, loluigi). I was asking him to test how much hitstun they have for all the characters.

 

[ColinJF]

It seems likely that the number of frames of hitstun is proportional to the launch force and also proportional to 'fall acceleration class'. Fall acceleration class is like fall acceleration, except the characters are 'grouped', so for example the difference between Toon Link and Pit is zero, and also the value is capped in the interval [?, 2] and ? is probably 1/2. The remaining constant of proportional would be the same for all characters and moves.

 

[Earthbound360]

Colin, just curious, how do you know so much about the math of everything in brawl?

 

[Neon Ness]

Colin, just curious, how do you know so much about the math of everything in brawl?

Beacuse he's Colin.

 

[Steeler]

it's because

colin is the very best

like no one ever was

to document the inner workings of super smash bros. brawl is his test

to use this to build a reputation as an intelligent brawl researcher is his caaaaaaaaaaaause

he will record all attacks

study them frame by fraaaaaaame

teach everyone to understand

that DI only matters during the last frame of hitlaaaaaaaaaag

COLIN'S NESS

gotta **** it all

it's him and his lil boooooooy

he knows it's his destinyyyyyyy

COLIN'S NESS

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's ness's best friend

in a world that thinks he suuuuuuuucks

COLIN'S NESS

gonna **** it all

it's so truuuuuuuuuue

don't argue cuz you will loooooooooose

debate with him

and he'll teach you!

COLIN'S REALLY SMART

ness doesn't suck

no really he's gooooooooooooooood

yeeaaaaaaa.

every challenge along the way

colin, he will ****.

he will study everyday

to prove that ness is greaaaaaaaaat

pray to him, he's always right

there's no better neeeeeeeessssssss

PK thunder will win the fight

it's going to **** your aaaaaaaassssssssssssss

COLIN'S NESS

gotta **** it all

it's him and his lil boooooooy

he knows it's his destinyyyyyyy

COLIN'S NESS

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's ness's best friend

in a world that thinks he suuuuuuuucks

COLIN'S NESS

gonna **** it all

it's so truuuuuuuuuue

don't argue cuz you will loooooooooose

debate with him

and he'll teach you!

COLIN'S REALLY SMART

ness doesn't suck

no really he's gooooooooooooooood

no, really, he's goooooooooooooooooood...............

 

[ColinJF]

(Steeler is attempting to make a sort of inside joke. You can ignore him. )

Actually leafgreen and I were discussing hitstun just a little while ago and it was relevant to this topic. We hope to learn where the class lines are drawn sometime in the near future.

 

[hotgarbage]

Steeler

 

[Gaussis]

it's because

colin is the very best

like no one ever was

to document the inner workings of super smash bros. brawl is his test

to use this to build a reputation as an intelligent brawl researcher is his caaaaaaaaaaaause

he will record all attacks

study them frame by fraaaaaaame

teach everyone to understand

that DI only matters during the last frame of hitlaaaaaaaaaag

COLIN'S NESS

gotta **** it all

it's him and his lil boooooooy

he knows it's his destinyyyyyyy

COLIN'S NESS

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's ness's best friend

in a world that thinks he suuuuuuuucks

COLIN'S NESS

gonna **** it all

it's so truuuuuuuuuue

don't argue cuz you will loooooooooose

debate with him

and he'll teach you!

COLIN'S REALLY SMART

ness doesn't suck

no really he's gooooooooooooooood

yeeaaaaaaa.

every challenge along the way

colin, he will ****.

he will study everyday

to prove that ness is goooooooood

pray to him, he's always right

there's no better neeeeeeeessssssss

PK thunder will win the fight

it's going to **** your aaaaaaaassssssssssssss

COLIN'S NESS

gotta **** it all

it's him and his lil boooooooy

he knows it's his destinyyyyyyy

COLIN'S NESS

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's ness's best friend

in a world that thinks he suuuuuuuucks

COLIN'S NESS

gonna **** it all

it's so truuuuuuuuuue

don't argue cuz you will loooooooooose

debate with him

and he'll teach you!

COLIN'S REALLY SMART

ness doesn't suck

no really he's gooooooooooooooood

no, really, he's goooooooooooooooooood...............

Good luck trying to get the flow of the song on the bolded parts . Actually, I already get an idea of how the flow on those parts sound, but it sounds horrible at least to me.

 

[Ref]

I thought it was pretty amazing...

The response was excellent too...

 

[_clinton]

Oh my...1 full second to taunt at the very least...I thought they were faster then that...

Thank you

May I ask how long it takes to put up a shield, how long it takes to break if you just hold it, and how long it takes to drop a shield?

 

[FireKirby7]

It's frame 2 for every character in Brawl.

Spoiler

Not sure about Yoshi though

Gah! You edited your message.
Frame 2 to put up your shield.

 

[Ref]

It's frame 1 for every brawl character...

Yoshi's you can check the yoshi board frame data that I did...

Or you can just read this:

It's frame 7 for yoshi.

 

[thesage]

Lol, Yoshi sucks at everything except egg spam.

 

[Earthbound360]

I love how thesage always confidently says his opinions on characters.

Yoshi sux
Ike sux
Pit's so overrated
Wolf's so overrated

Its enough to make me lol.

 

[Gaussis]

Lol, Yoshi sucks at everything except egg spam.

You forgot recovery and grab range lol. But...

Spoiler

Yoshi is still good. Yes he is. You're lying.

Dramatization aside, I wish the developers (gives Sakurai a look) realize how much they hamper the characters with longer animations in the most basic of mechanics.

EDIT: Pit is overrated .

 

[Earthbound360]

Yeah but thesage is just so blunt about it with no backup until someone adresses him specifically *coughraphcough*

I HATE fighting Pit. I cant stand him, he's too difficult. Not the arrows, not the bair, not the shield gimping, but the god forsaken voice. I lose because of it.

 

[Ref]

That kind of stuff makes sage lovable though....

Anyway I don't care about sounds in brawl. None of them really bother me.

 

[xoxokev]

Yeah but thesage is just so blunt about it with no backup until someone adresses him specifically *coughraphcough*

I HATE fighting Pit. I cant stand him, he's too difficult. Not the arrows, not the bair, not the shield gimping, but the god forsaken voice. I lose because of it.

"HA YA YAYA!!!!"