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toon link ****ing sucks.
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I thought this was known.Whenever we do the DK matchup, we need to put in the fact that you should NEVER let him take you to Brinstar. Ripple did that to me in game 3 of our set..****ing prolonged and extended hitboxes...that is all
No.You should've bomb camped him.
FAE made the same mistakeI thought this was known.
nope. bombs hit through platforms it would actually be easier to beat him thereI'd try to avoid Battlefield.
It feels so small and DK just hits through those platforms like cake.
BF is fine for TL in most MUs.I'd try to avoid Battlefield.
It feels so small and DK just hits through those platforms like cake.
That sucks >_>The first match we had was on lylat. I fell behind early and couldn't quiet close the gap. Only got him to 50% on his 3rd stock. Took him to PS1 and won. Don't remember what I banned...obviously wasn't Brinstar
We had a little bit of a rematch in crews where I actually ended up playing him on battlefield and it went much better than I thought it might. It was pretty close game, although he did pull it out. I would agree with PJ that battlefield would be pro-TL in the match.
nope. bombs hit through platforms it would actually be easier to beat him there
I'm just saying that because yesterday I went against a DK and he took me to Battlefield and I got owned since I had barely anywhere to run.BF is fine for TL in most MUs.
Thats what the air is forI'm just saying that because yesterday I went against a DK and he took me to Battlefield and I got owned since I had barely anywhere to run.
This. Just be extremely cautious. If you get read, you are eating a Donkey Punch. Getting caught doing a b-move animation, getting caught doing a z-air also means that you are getting hit by it (because of its super armor). Avoid rolling and spamming spotdodge. If he grabs and tries to barrel spike, hold up...if you still get caught, tech the stageIf you do go to BF vs DK, don't feel obligated to try and camp him the entire time. It won't really work and you don't even really have to camp DK to beat him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFdNjeISvc#t=0m25sloldonkeypunch.
and avoid walls, cargo hold to dthrow is a wall infinite, iirc.
I see that, but you must understand that our char wrecks DK i saw jash 3 or 2 stock bum on stream not to long ago. Link has all our tools, lives longer and can kill us earlier but we still wreck him. He may outrange us on the air and ground but his moves are kinda slow.We can get in and out in no time. If your getting hit by dtilt, dtilt to ground pound then your spacing is bad, and donkey punch is like warios waft you gotta keep moving to avoid it or bait its misuse.I really think this Mu is 60:40 your acting like its snake or something.How is at LEAST 60:40
He outranges us in the air AND on the ground. His tilts shut down anything we can do on the ground. B-air outranges us. 87% is kill percent with d-smash. 87 ***ing percent!!! And he can do that **** OoS. He can gimp our recovery with b-air and hell it kills when fresh. D-tilt, d-tilt, ground pound, free 30%. In 5 seconds, he has done 1/3 of the damage he needs to do. Not to mention the fact that donkeypunch has super armor frames that we cant pierce. He can do that in the air and on the ground. Doing a b-move animation, or z-air, when he has the fully charged dpunch is risky because if he reads it, its death. Same thing with airdodging and spot-dodging. Our great tools (our great airdodge, our great z-air and great collection of camping skills with b-moves) are rendered to be risky options because of that. That simple. He takes him so little to get us to kill percent and he can kill us in a variety of ways. Yes we can combo him and camp, but the fact that his margin of error is much greater than ours, because of our trouble killing AND how high we have to get him (he is heavy after-all) closes that gap.
To say that its AT LEAST 60-40 is just ridiculous to me.
i edited it 3 timesWhy u mad?
EDIT: Nice Edit PJ :-p
That is a very subjective opinion, being creative in a tournament match is risky even though rewards may be great; the last thing you want to do is leave your comfort zone but there are certain circumstances as to why it would be OK to do such a thing.@kitty galore *walk and powershield* anyone can do that, and DK shouldn't be forcing you to get creative you honestly should be doing that of your own accord
hmmm...oh.Yeah, you know how you react to somebody who PS's everything? You grab them.
To add to the "Walking, Powershielding" DK, if they are doing that then run up and grab them.
If everyone cant do it then why does it matter at all? Your talking about it as if its a common thing.That is a very subjective opinion, being creative in a tournament match is risky even though rewards may be great; the last thing you want to do is leave your comfort zone but there are certain circumstances as to why it would be OK to do such a thing.
Its funny, you'd imagine everyone would be walking and power shielding against Toon Link with a statement like that. Yes ANYONE can do that, but something to truly consider is can EVERYONE? I wouldn't claim such a bold statement until you've switched shoes with the other player.
*SighThe grab isn't guaranteed, if you miss you will be eating a fully charged F smash and you'll most likely lose a stock; that's 8-10% vs 1 stock. I'm sure you'll land a grab the first several times but it isn't going to help you if you're playing a set.