TheRockSays
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I prefer using paralyzers on the ground and down b stool when he whorenados.
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Not a big deal at all, but a small contributor to why I only keep one piece.METAKNIGHT can ****!NG GLIDE TOSS.
it gets irritating to discover something that makes him better.
KO ability
55/45 ZSS
Metaknight's main KO moves are Up B, Downsmash, F-smash, and N-air.
Up B often KO's the earliest, since it is often offstage, or hits her in an angle that makes it hard for her to recover and is pretty strong compared to his other moves.
Downsmash is strong too, and is a bit hard to punish.
F-smash is rare to hit with, but is pretty powerful. It's only real practical use is as a punisher.
N-air is a good move to kill with offstage.
ZSS's KO moves include B-air, Up-air, Side-B, F-air, and Down B.
B-air is the most viable to KO with than anything else. It's abnormally powerful for the speed and range of the attack, and isn't that hard to hit with.
Up-air is the 2nd most viable surprisingly, since it's not too hard to KO Meta with in the air, and it's the easiest to hit with out of these.
Side-B is hard to hit Meta with, but it's not very punishable when used in the air, and has pretty solid kill power.
F-air is like the poor man's B-air XD.
Down B is her strongest move, and can be used in the middle of an aerial assault randomly and will often punish an airdodge. It's mainly used to punish though, like if he's in the middle of a smash attack.
Overall ZSS has more attacks that can kill well, and it's actually easier for her to hit hit with a kill move than it is for him.
Wow I can't believe I ended up typing basically a whole guide on this again. I feel like I got a little lazy on the KO section, but I think that's good for the most part. I give this match up 55/45 Metaknight now.
KO ability
55/45 ZSS
Metaknight's main KO moves are Up B, Downsmash, F-smash, and N-air.
Up B often KO's the earliest, since it is often offstage, or hits her in an angle that makes it hard for her to recover and is pretty strong compared to his other moves.
Downsmash is strong too, and is a bit hard to punish.
F-smash is rare to hit with, but is pretty powerful. It's only real practical use is as a punisher.
N-air is a good move to kill with offstage.
ZSS's KO moves include B-air, Up-air, Side-B, F-air, and Down B.
B-air is the most viable to KO with than anything else. It's abnormally powerful for the speed and range of the attack, and isn't that hard to hit with.
Up-air is the 2nd most viable surprisingly, since it's not too hard to KO Meta with in the air, and it's the easiest to hit with out of these.
Side-B is hard to hit Meta with, but it's not very punishable when used in the air, and has pretty solid kill power.
F-air is like the poor man's B-air XD.
Down B is her strongest move, and can be used in the middle of an aerial assault randomly and will often punish an airdodge. It's mainly used to punish though, like if he's in the middle of a smash attack.
Overall ZSS has more attacks that can kill well, and it's actually easier for her to hit hit with a kill move than it is for him.
Wow I can't believe I ended up typing basically a whole guide on this again. I feel like I got a little lazy on the KO section, but I think that's good for the most part. I give this match up 55/45 Metaknight now.
Lucario... lol >.<and like every other character in this game (except weirdoes like Kirby and maybe others), is at a disadvantage when above her opponent.
You'd be surprised how good of a recovery ZSS really has. It's easily better than most of the cast, both in variety of options and sheer distanceI agree with most of what you said except when it came to KO's.
I would say they would be pretty even here or slightly in MK's favor.
Probably a 50/50 would work well. I say this because you have to remember as for ZSS her Side-B and Down-B aren't very reliable kill moves. They are both pretty predictable and easy to dodge. (Same for MK's Fsmash for the matter). Also remember ZSS doesn't have the best recovery so a lot of her deaths will come from MK gimping her offstage, therefore again overriding MK's need for a KO straight from the stage.
Try to find a Mod to do it, It took my vid thread a long time to be stickied, even when I askedWhy isn't this thread stickied?
I can get it done if you want. You just have to know who to ask.Try to find a Mod to do it, It took my vid thread a long time to be stickied, even when I asked
Glyph?.....I can get it done if you want. You just have to know who to ask.
From what ive seen, you do.More people need to know that I rock.
Fixed. Newfag. Lulz.I think Xsyvens a pretty cool guy. eh stickies gud threads and doesnt afraid of anything.
Lol, no you didn't, i'm sure it's not that simple :oGet lost Bread addict
lols
I explained you the bigdeal in French for ZSS
You'd be surprised how good of a recovery ZSS really has. It's easily better than most of the cast, both in variety of options and sheer distance
I don't see how you can edgehog us extremely easily, if we recover from below it's because we can jump back to the edge, which means we can hit you off of it before we need to tether. Besides, we'll probably have already tethered before you even get close to it (the length of side-b is absurd).True she does have a well-suited recovery but nonetheless she can still be easily gimped. If she is recovering from below she can be edgehogged extremely easy and her tether won't grab the edge.
If she is forced to use her B-down the arch/trajectory on her little jump is very predictable and easy to punish, especially if you are Meta Knight and can be offstage for your entire Grandmother's colonoscopy and still be okay fight and return to stage.
I only wonder how he would fare against a different ZSS user.D-smashing would work on everything you said except for ledge hopped attacks, if the meta Actually, speaking of my brother (Shadow111 on the boards), I am 100% positive that he is the best Metaknight in this particular match up by FAR. It's ridiculous, after playing against my ZSS so much, I can very rarely beat him and I have a much better chance using someone else. I also feel bad though because I give him mostly only practice in that one match up lol. He uses various characters on me so I get more practice, but I have much less practice against his Meta than he has on my ZSS.
What are you talking about. I don't even play like that anymore, and I've been saying that everywhere. Metaknight ***** the paralyzer, he can just tornado you even from across the stage because it lags too much. You can't really camp Metaknight when they know the match up.^took my words. snakeee your aproach is mostly side b try mixing abit of that paralyzer more. If he comes through the air whip him.Whorenado i leave that up 2 u.
Yoshi gets rapeeeddd by Meta. I know Pride, he's the best yoshi player, and it's his worst match up. My metaknight can beat him.I'd CP Yoshi, it's all good. CG release three times and he done.
No offense to PRiDE but bull shiiiiiit. Bwett is. He beats Dojo, consistently. Also, PRiDE's worst match up is Wolf. Or it was. I don't have much trouble with him, I'm one of the better Yoshi's. But way outta practice with him.he's the best yoshi player
Well, he's ONE of the best Yoshi players. I don't know much about any others actually, but I'll check out those vids in a bit.No offense to PRiDE but bull shiiiiiit. Bwett is. He beats Dojo, consistently. Also, PRiDE's worst match up is Wolf. Or it was. I don't have much trouble with him, I'm one of the better Yoshi's. But way outta practice with him.
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Yeah, he's prolly the best in EC, if not definitely upper EC. Scat is good but doesn't go to alot of tournies. Mmac is good, DarkLeviathan, Yoster, Rel12, and Furbs are the main ones.Well, he's ONE of the best Yoshi players. I don't know much about any others actually, but I'll check out those vids in a bit.
how dare you not mention bum O_o best DK player in NYC i believe hes number 1 splitting the tittle with someone else.Yeah, he's prolly the best in EC, if not definitely upper EC. Scat is good but doesn't go to alot of tournies. Mmac is good, DarkLeviathan, Yoster, Rel12, and Furbs are the main ones.
I think they were talking about Yoshi players...how dare you not mention bum O_o best DK player in NYC i believe hes number 1 splitting the tittle with someone else.
Sure, I'll make sure to be on top of my game unlike Cat4 -_- . You still want to do a MM? I'll just do friendlies too though, it's whatever you want. I'm just excited to play top players from just about every region...and hopefully beat them lol (don't mean that in a cocky way).Lol, he does not beat me consistently. I generally 2 stock him everytime we play. Those friendlies were at 4 in the morning. I 3 and 2 stocked him in tourney at Hobo 11 the very next day of those videos. Now he rarely gets a match off me.
Snakeee we need to get a **** load of matches at CoT4. I'm excited to see your ZSS.
Bums FK is BEAST. i mean, come on, he just *****.how dare you not mention bum O_o best DK player in NYC i believe hes number 1 splitting the tittle with someone else.
DK.........lol for some odd reason the last time i went to the bum tourney i ended playing him first in singles and doubles xD well in singles he 2 stocked me the first one like i got gimped like 3 times O_o, in the second one i picked Final D i got him down to one stock i hate smashville very bad for ZSS.Bums FK is BEAST. i mean, come on, he just *****.
mental note to self, CP Rainbow Cruise.DK.........lol for some odd reason the last time i went to the bum tourney i ended playing him first in singles and doubles xD well in singles he 2 stocked me the first one like i got gimped like 3 times O_o, in the second one i picked Final D i got him down to one stock i hate smashville very bad for ZSS.