PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Blistering Speed]

That conversation needs to end right now.

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I think Puff could have the advantage on Falco. Really. Get at me bros.

It's likely even though, on account of him having a gun, plus his unique ability to combo her and keep relatively safe pressure running. But, I don't know what Puff's full capabilities are when she's capitalising and spacing properly.

 

[Beat!]

I think it could be anywhere from 45-55 to 55-45.

Leaning on slight Falco advantage at the moment, but that might as well just be because PP is beating Hungrybox.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Hungry doesn't think outside the box enough in that matchup.

 

[linkoninja]

Weren't people scared ****less of Puff like a year ago? I understand that Spacies starting becoming more consistent but the same options are there.... so its just Puff players getting worse, or Spacies getting better (maybe a bit of both?)

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

i honestly feel like hbox represented the puff community as a whole, and he was pretty dominant for awhile, and that annoyed non puffs.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Darc made a few waves, but the only Puff with real impact (barring the fruit) was Hungrybox, and then the very top echelon cracked his playstyle. PeePee just straight got better, Armada started CPing YLink and Mango's always ***** him. M2k goes back and forth with him, the majority of the time losing. This lack of recent success isn't a statement against Jigglypuff as a character, so much as one against Hungrybox as a player.

 

[Bones0]

People freaked out because random Jiggs players would destroy them with a bunch of rest/gimp gimmicks. Then they learned to DI and recover, and they decided "meh, not that bad now that I know the matchup."

That's my perception of it.

 

[Druggedfox]

I'll just leave this here... >.>

*egg rolls away*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdh7IIX3ZQ0

Im liking falco again ^^

Spoiler

Help me for those who feel like it ^^;

<3

You should slow down your play a bit, honestly. Don't get me wrong, you don't have to do so permanently or anything (I understand how you and axe like playing). The thing is... you're sacrificing a *lot* of precision on various things (jump shines, some pressure, certain combos) by trying to go too fast. If you would slow down your play and get everything completely right and precise, then slowly pick it back up to its current speed, I think you'd get to play how you want to *and* you'd do a lot better.

 

[Beat!]

It kinda looked like they were both just having fun/showing off.

 

[Strong Badam]

leffen is really good
i just hate his posts sometimes
EDIT: was a page back. <3 leffen tho all things considered

 

[CK Momentum]

Hey remember when Hungrybox missed a rest against mango then jumped off the ledge?

 

[Bones0]

He was hungover.

 

[JPOBS]

i find it difficult to critique AZ vids because anything you say gets chalked up to "well thats just our playstyle we like doign those things"

which is fine. But its impossible to give a normal critique of "you could be doing this better, choosing this option etc" because its not a lack of skill. they are playing that way on purpose. so im just like.... =/

 

[CK Momentum]

JPOBS, i took a final today, and I dont even know who you are but i took a piece of broken pencil lead and wrote "JPOBS" on the desk. lmfao. Does AZ play like a bunch of trolls?

 

[Strong Badam]

jkasffkfa adsfk why would you do that

 

[Mogwai]

AZ's playstyle is good for Melee. Those guys are so damn fun to watch. Just watch it, have fun, don't critique, even if they ask, IMO . Like, Vman, you're doing everything almost perfect bro, just do more double shines and try to break someone's shield with platform drop canceled bairs.

 

[JPOBS]

LMAO WTF ck ?!!?

 

[leffen]

@puff:
shes 5th or worse.

peach outperforms her by ****loads.


@Vman: You need to work on your punishment/pressure game. It felt like it was all neutral game lol, and you didn't manage to get a single good combo in tbh.

fun to watch tho.

 

[Beat!]

CK momentum's subconscious must be a Jpobs fanboy.

 

[Strong Badam]

peach & puff are similar in tourney viability

 

[CK Momentum]

Yeah idk JPOBS u gna be at apex? Also I"m thinking about switching to peach for a bit after apex because I think she's funny.

 

[JPOBS]

at this point im not goign to apex. my ride bailed

 

[CK Momentum]

Tell your ride to unbail then money match me. I have the loudest crew in all of smash. Ask DrPP.

 

[Bones0]

The only thing louder than CK's crew is his fashion sense.

 

[CK Momentum]

Bones I'm trying to find a zip up sweatshirt that I can iron on the letters CK to it. I think that would be pretty legit. Also if you wanna be in Fashion Sense BR, you'll have to fill out an application. Did you see my money match vs. Dr. PP?

ALSO: thanks for that info on shield dropping and I watched that zhu video i cannot do it that fast yet but htats cos i spot dodge like 8 times before properly hitting the drop. I think its gonna add a little flavor to my marth matchup though when I learn it. But the main course is still not getting uthrown. ever. And camping lasers in an attempt to get my opponent to press L+R+A+start.

lightsyde: i see you lurkin HIDE YO KIDS!

 

[JPOBS]

Lets get back to shield dropping for a sec. Can bones or leffen (or anyone) tell me something:

is it easier to Shield drop if you light shield?
For some reason i NEVER get te drop if i full shield. I can occasionally do it if I only slightly hit the trigger (light shield) is that a legic mechanic or am I trippin?

also, I'm like 10 times more consistent if I use R than if I use L 0_o

 

[leffen]

The most common mistake ppl do is to press shield too late.
When you light shield you're most likely pressing shield earlier.

 

[Dark Hart]

See JPOBS you're not most people

but you're still ****ing it up

~ leffen

 

[leffen]

uh, what?

I said that he was like most people, and I didnt imply that he messes it up a lot.

 

[JPOBS]

im going to work on pressing the shield sooner. I'm really stumped with this technique though.

 

[crush]

ALSO: thanks for that info on shield dropping and I watched that zhu video i cannot do it that fast yet but htats cos i spot dodge like 8 times before properly hitting the drop. I think its gonna add a little flavor to my marth matchup though when I learn it. But the main course is still not getting uthrown. ever. And camping lasers in an attempt to get my opponent to press L+R+A+start.

aww cmon dont spam lasers that's not fashionable.

yeah spife and diesel are really ****ing loud lol

 

[CK Momentum]

how do i get my shield drop to be super fast like zhus? just rote practice? haha.

 

[Fernandez]

he did it what, 3 times in 3 sets ;o and zero times before that tournament?

no disrespect to him but it wasnt any really "pressure" either, and he could have punished those uairs with a knee etc oos.

If he does more often then awesome, really good to see it spreading

I've been doing it for at least a year now though ;<

he used it since may or something in tournament
also upair is better with falcon cuz you can combo after hitting it

 

[crush]

Just practice tilting ur shield and then dropping in one motion. Shield drop shine waveland is like 2013 fashion sense metagame.

 

[leffen]

he used it since may or something in tournament
also upair is better with falcon cuz you can combo after hitting it

I see

I know uair is better, but the point was that he had such long time to shield drop compared to when you do it out of fox/falco pressure

 

[CK Momentum]

okay maybe i'm not doing the right thing? I sit in my shield, then I press down but not quite as soft as i would try to tilt, and not quite as hard as i would to spot dodge.

 

[Mew2King]

ur all gonna yell at me and call me a newb for this, but i think jiggs is just a cheap character that's easy to learn but most people good at the game don't wanna put the time into learning her because it's not fun

 

[Divinokage]

Oh, @ Kage. BS was referring to the fact that he feels leffen has a creative spark that is unlike other high level players he's seen. Unlike being not the same as the others, which implies that they all have creativity, but that few are better with it than others.

Being better with creativity is pretty hard to judge because whenever I see 2 really good players play, I'm always like: "Holy **** that was cool, these guys are incredible" I mean just the decision making, tech skills and reactions and all that stuff. I think it all goes together. How would you define someone that is more creative? I can't really see that lol.

 

[Strong Badam]

ur such a noob jason

 

[Mew2King]

dammit i know =(

im gonna cry to mom cuz u hurt my feelings THANKS jerk bye!!