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-1 for scrapping falco, the scond most popular star fox character. he is to fox like luigi is to mario
No, replace Mewtwo with Meowth.
WW Link - 85%-90%
My Pokemon list exactly. Pokemon deserves as many as tLOZ, considering it outsells tLOZ more than 4 to 1, but lacks the cult legend following of Zelda. Therefore, they desrve equal reps, and both could have 20 good characters.
agreed.
That's Mario's brain turning on telling you to quit fooling around and get back on track. At least there was something there in SMS; SM64 either had impassible walls (making some levels just holes in the ground) or they were floating islands.
I doubt it was intended as much else. You could compare SMS to MM. Same game play with a few tweaks (a couple major ones unique to that game, too) but a unique premise that is the root of its charm. Not original or revolutionary but better in every aspect of gaming when compared to its predecessor.
You know, upon close examination, ZSS' down tilt, forward tilt, down B (that fast downwards kick from mid air), and neutral A (seen in the six second trailer) are all the same animations as those of Captain Falcon (and Ganondorf). Her dash attack is the same flying kick that Fox and Falco do and her down smash (while a spinning headstand kick similar to Sheik's) is completely unique to her. Her crouch, idle, and running animations are different as well.
Fair enough...guess you just don't like it as much as I do.
Well...the Wiimote seems to just blend point and click adventure elements with standard SM64 game play as well as the awful replacing button presses with waggle. And, as mentioned earlier, I doubt subsequent Mario games or other adventure games could get away with the same space mechanics so I doubt they'd set the standard for anything. The space stuff is more of a unique element like the masks in MM, or the water cannon in SMS, or the light and dark world in MP2.
Well, I believe, from my limited knowledge of 3D modeling and reading about SSBM cloning, I might have an idea of how cloning goes...
Ya...he COULD be...Most of his kick attacks could work, though one would wonder why he'd sacrifice the range and power of his hammer to do such things. They’d have to go through all of his animations and make sure his arms sync up correctly since just translating Kirby’s fin motion would look horrible. For any move that involves him flipping, they’d have consider addition of his upper body and arms.
How ‘bout his SMRPG laugh? <_<
Yeah, after seeing a character who never canonically willingly wields a sword outside of symbolically standing with her guards and dropping it in surrender it’s obvious that someone whose last two appearance have them wielding swords and using them in their final battle won’t use his.
The world would cry out in glee and Champaign would rain from the heavens.
We might find out a couple secret characters but I’m sure they’ll wanna conceal some for as long as possible. I’d say we’ll know all of the 3rd party characters before release, though…for business reasons, of course.
Well…the really popular mainstream characters will probably be starters so they can advertise with them and the cult favorites will be unlockable. (the newcomer ones, at least).
Beyond Good & Evil was rather fun and Jade is rather awesome…and her chances are rather zero. :/ :\ :/ :\
Yeah, and it has also occured to me that Nintendo Power is going to write a player's guide for the game - revealing all the secret characters anyway. So yeah, we'll probably see all the character announcements revealed in the months to come I suppose...
Oh, of course. I was looking in my comments for where I refered to Sakurai.
I dunno. I've tried to limit my runnerup list to realistic character choices - like King Trode and Jade. Happy Mask Salesman seems pretty far fetched...
Leave Midna out of your twisted fantasies, Numa Dude.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Yeah, I mean, she's only the main character in one of Nintendo's most popular and critically acclaimed games ever with the potential for an incredibly unique moveset...
and Why might you say that, hmm?
Yep, Numa is a battle hardered Quote-warrior who has crossed intellectual swords with Midna advocates on numerous occasions. I can't really blame him, I also get bored repeating the same talking points about why Marth should be cut...
Well, the obvious problem with calling Vaati the main villian of Cell Shaded Link is because WW Link is a separate individual entirely for his MC/FS counterpart. I suppose you might have an argument if Vaati appears in Phantom Hourglass, though I don't see that as all that likely...
In a coolness contest, Skull Kid wipes the floor with Vaati. If you are asking who is more likely to make the cut, they are tied in that they both have minimal chances. Old Link, Young Link, Zelda and Ganondorf will all return in their most recent incarnations. We'll likely see one character replace Sheik - and it will come down to either Tingle (the most prominent supporting role in the series) or Midna (the heroine from the stellar and incredible popular Twilight Princess). My bet is that Nintendo is more concerned woth selling copies of Twilight Princess than they are Tingle's adventure - so I see the balance tipping in Midna's favor.
Vaati is second to Ganondorf in the Zelda series like the US is second to Canada in Hockey - by a very wide margin.
Vaati: 3 Four Sword (main villian), Four Sword Adventures (main villian), Minish Cap (main villian)
I find it interesting that Midna wasn't in that poll. She would have won easily.
Ahh, the dreaded Geno cult. But I'm one step ahead: I've locked myself in an underground bunker until Brawl's realease. Let's see those Scarecrow worshiping nut jobs get to me NOW!
Not only is Zelda Nintendo's most critically acclaimed and most widely respected franchise, but it continues to remain popular inspite of the fatc that the series has been around for 20 years - no small feat. Sakurai deamed the Zelda series as worthy of 5 characters in Melee (Link, Young Link, Zelda, Sheik and Ganondorf) so I can't see any fewer getting in Brawl.
Skull Kid: awesome and unique? Absolutely. Important to the series? Yes, but not as much as Midna or WW Link.
Majora has zero chance (seriously, why would anyone want that thing in Brawl?) while Skull Kid and Vaati have a minimal chance, so that's technically not correct.
Yeah, I mean it's not like Sakurai would spend valuable time on a unique moveset for a playable character who has only appeared in a single Zelda game.
Midna's role as the main chracter in Twilight Princess trumps SK's comparitively minor roles in three games.
Though Samus/Zamus are technically 2 characters - I see your point was to make a roster with 40 character slots, which is not unreasonable at all. Great roster. In fact, it's just about perfect. Excellent job. 10/10
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There is that.
Spot 1: TP Link - confirmed
Well, I don't think Sakurai feels the same way. Melee he included 5 Zelda characters and 4 Pokemon characters - so it's not that outlandish to suggest the same will happen in Brawl.
Okay, but is Meowth more important to series overall than Mewtwo is? That's a genuine question, I really don't know.
That's actually an interesting point.
@wiseguy
i took johnknight1's bet. just fyi
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Okee-doke. I sure hope you like WW Link...
Laugh it up, your lordship. My WW Link sig will be waiting when you return.
That's actaully not a bad list. I'm not sure Waluigi or Balzikin are important enough in their respective series to warrant an inclusion, but that's just me.
My biggest problem with this roster is that it is dominated by supporting characters from series that are already represented. I think we need a greater number of series represented - which the inclusion of characters like Olimar would accomplish.
I'm curious how you managed to fit so many characters within the 40 character limit. How how many of these characters are clones?
From face value, I give this list 6.5/10
I prefer actual walls and bottomless pits. At least it makes sense that I wouldn't be able to pass them.
Take Beyond Good and Evil: whenever you approached the end of the game world, the soldier's security system would prevent you fram leaving.
Anyway, I hate invisibl walls. They are cheap and igly and are just plain disgraceful in a high profile Nintendo Gamecube game.
Ah, except that sequels like MM and Prime 2 were sequels published on the same platforms. But when I buy a new game console, I expect the bar to be raised.
They aren't identical, certainly, but their overall playstyle (and appearance, to a certain extent) are similar. Of course, that may not be true of their respective B attacks.
At any rate, the main thing that makes Sheik unique is that she is a transformation - and now that we have Zmaus, that is no longer very unique.
I guess so. I liked it, just not as much as others seem to. maybe it's becuase I played Windwaker and Prime 1 first.
Fair enough...guess you just don't like it as much as I do.
By setting a standard, I meant in terms of overall inovation and "wow" factor. Galaxy has the potential to make the next Ratchet & Clank game seem old.
And being in space changes the whole platformer dynamic. Different planetoids could have different gravity, for example.
Your using.... LOGIC to support your argument?! How dare you! This is Smashboards sir, and we don't like your kind here.
Your clone argument is completely sound, and you have once again awakened by doubts as to whether cloning Dx3 or K.Rool would be all that time-saving afterall.
All I will say at this point is: stay tuned for tommorow's update.
One question: how do you know Melee was based on the N64 engine? I've never heard that before.
Yes, it COULD be done.
However, would be be significantly easier than just designing a new moveset from scratch? I used to think so...
Never played that one (waiting for the virtual console release). Why, did it stand out?
Yep, I'm glad you see it my wa- ... hey, wait a second. Are you being sarcastic?
Wow. Learn something new every day...
That makes sense.
Not neccessarily. Ice Climbers were a starter, afterall.
Sad but true...
Naturally.
Cool. I'll look forward to it.
Welcome to my humble thread, Mccdbz5. I'm glad you enjoyed my list.
1) That part was a joke, as are most of the comments below the pics. I know Mewtwo is powerful, I just like yanking the chains of Pokemon fans.
2) Well, I consider 5 Mario reps, 5 Zelda characters and 4 Pokemon to be reasonable - becuase that's exactly how many of each series there were in Melee. I just replaced Doc with Bowser Jr., Sheik with Midna and Mewtwo & Pichu with Lucario & Deoxys (the two most popular candidates on Smashboards, near as I can tell). Pokemon might get another rep, but since it is still a relatively young franchise (compared to mario and Zelda) I don't see it as having as much of a legacy as Nintendo's two most well know frnachises: Mario and Zelda.
As for Mewtwo, I cut him for the simple reason that his role in the recent game's hasn't been as important as past games. However, whether he or Deoxys makes the vut doesn't really concern me.
Thanks for the input. I love hearing different points of view. Makes this thread interesting.
Nope, pineappleupsetshark is right. Every time Olimar is absent from a predictionsd list a puppy dies - something not even the most cold blooded of cat lovers can live with.
But don't dispair, Olimar also has the power to bring puppies back to life. Koarin: include Olimar pronto.
That's a rap.
Wiseguy out.
If this was face to face you would have lost your ability to have children the second you mentioned Kafei. Don't even joke like that.I dunno. I've tried to limit my runnerup list to realistic character choices - like King Trode and Jade. Happy Mask Salesman seems pretty far fetched...
Hmm... Farfetched... the bird Pokemon... maybe I'll put him on the runnersup list instead...
Seriously though, HMS is on my to-do list - right after Kafei.
Yeah it probably won't happen but I just thought it was a cool idea.
I only fantasize about anime characters.
I wasn't joking about the anime characters just so you know.(Joking.)
That is a ridiculous exaggeration. TP was good but it is no where near being one of Nintendo's most popular and critically acclaimed games ever.
I don't see why his being different individuals with each cell shaded appearance matters since it's still a cell shaded Link at a young age every time.
You think that a game that has been out since the launch of the Wii AND was on the gamecube needs more advertising than Nintendo's attempt at making Tingle popular in places other than Japan?
I'll just take your word on all that stuff about Vaati's games because I honestly don't care that much but still I think your acting like time is a bigger factor than it really is.
I've never even touched one of Vaati's games so I couldn't defend Vaati on this point if I wanted to but you are seriously giving Midna more credit than she deserves. She does have alot of potential for a unique moveset riding Wolf Link but pretty much EVERY Zelda character (Except of course Kafei) has potential for a unique moveset. I myself made a pretty good Happy mask salesman moveset once and I could probably make 5 more.
Yes a glorified fairy is much more important than an imp trying to bring the apocalypse.
You think an insane imp with a mask with the power to bring the apocalypse is less unique than an extreme version of the MM fairy with a wolf fetish.Midna in almost any form woul be more unique than SK, sorry to say, and if any retro Zelda character gets in, it will be Old Zelda Man!
You better put Happy mask salesman on that list or you'll wake up with your bed full of decapitated Pikmin heads.
Why is there no room? Melee had five Zelda characters. Dropping Y. Link and Shiek opens two slots up. One for Midna and one for someone else (Vaati is my bet.)
- Main (plot-wise at least) character of Twilight Princess.
However, every appearence (except MM) was minor. In OoT, he attacked you when you were an adult and gave you a heart piece (IIRC) when you were a kid. In TP, he was the guardian of the Sacred Grove. After two little fights with him, he is gone. In MM, although he was a central character, he wasn't the (main) villian. Technically, it was the mask possessing him. But, I will not deny that Skull Kid has importance. Just not more than Midna or Vaati. Even Tingle has more importance than Skull Kid.
Personal opinion is yours. However, realistic chances are closer to this:
She's not a fairy. Do you see any wings on her? Fairies serve no purpose in the Zelda universe other than to annoy and act like targeting devices... Midna > Fairies!
I beg to differ. There is more evidence saying she will. In fact, there is NO evidence to support WW Link's (or anyone from that particular branch for that matter) inclusion in Brawl. There is an indication (in the form of an advertisement for PH), but there is no actual evidence supporting them. Midna, however, has two characters with the Twilight Princess design (Zelda doesn't have a sword, but it is a TP themed look) to help support the theory that Sakurai is going with TP themed Zelda characters. And, as a result, it is safe to make the assumption that Midna (with or without Wolf Link) is a likely candidate.
*cough Shiek cough*
It's not that I doubt this to be true, but I wouldn't mind seeing where he said that. In any case, it is obvious that he meant he would be putting some more retro characters in.
Hah... I already explained that to myself. Cus I know you're talking to me (I think)
Thanks for the welcoming
. Now, about the statements you made in the post above:.Well, it wasn't so much a poll as it was people sent in letters saying what characters or music they want or just general comments about the SSBB announcement and the development team posted ten each weekday of those that sparked their interest. Also, the poll took place in May and June of 2006 which was before TP was released and we could fall in love with her.
Ya know...I've completely forgotten where I heard that. I believe from wherever I did hear it they were assuming it due to the to games being almost identical (IE the vast majority of things from the first game were there and a few were replaced) save for speed and graphics which comes from the better hardware and game format and the relatively short development time. Or maybe it was from deep within the SSBM Japanese site. We really need someone to look through that thing to see if there any clues on the design process and stuff.
It did for me, anyway. Definately up there with Kefka's in terms of digitally produced laughs.
Maaaaaaaaybe.
Ya...I just meant that it'd be logical for advertising purposes.