Project M Social Thread

[shanus]

haha well can we get rid of it?

im sure someone could eventually, but its definitely beyond me.

 

[UltiMario]

I really would like to see that happen considering my controller would be at full function again if the C-Stick didn't need to center lol

 

[jalued]

it is very noticeable going from melee to brawl, stupid sakurai...

 

[The Prophet_]

For anyone to answer who has been keeping up with the streams:

Has there been a show of Mr.Game and Watch in play?
-Thanks again to anyone who answers my question. I think I've missed a couple of streams so I don't know if I missed him being used.
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On a personal side note, I prefer we not show case Game and Watch . I would like it to be a surprise for me but you can't stop the willing from show casing him or seeing him in action!

 

[GP&B]

Oh yes actually. Nair is parachute now and there's actually a funny glitch with it, Dair no longer force falls, and of course, you can L-cancel all of his aerials

 

[.Marik]

Project M feels amazing. Extraordinary improvement from the last time I played. Very impressed.

I agree.

I hope you guys liked the livestream!

 

[GP&B]

By the way, I wanted to bring up Melee Link's Nair & Bair vs. Brawl Link's. I'm playing Melee just now and I could swear Melee Link's Nair and Bair go out farther. I also feel like Fair comes out a frame or two earlier.

 

[TLMSheikant]

I missed another stream? It would be easier if you guys at least advertised the stream with the thread title.

 

[shanus]

I missed another stream? It would be easier if you guys at least advertised the stream with the thread title.

I do when i see that they happen, but im usually pretty busy and am not aware they are going down

 

[CanadaKid91]

I missed this stream as well. How're Ness and Yoshi turning out? Gotta have my DJC

 

[.Marik]

I missed this stream as well. How're Ness and Yoshi turning out? Gotta have my DJC

I played my Yoshi on the livestream, he's simply phenomenal.

His Wavedash animation covers great distance and is more fluid, unlike Melee, and it can easily combo into DSmash and FSmash combos. DJC Nair is solid and a great baiting and spacing tactic.

Ask Valuno or anyone else who watched my Yoshi play. I don't know much about Ness though, I would assume the DJC mechanics are similar to Yoshi's.

Snake is extremely awkward, though. The lack of a floating vBrawl airdodge makes his blocky stature vulnerable and considerably different.

 

[JCaesar]

For anyone to answer who has been keeping up with the streams:

Has there been a show of Mr.Game and Watch in play?
-Thanks again to anyone who answers my question. I think I've missed a couple of streams so I don't know if I missed him being used.
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On a personal side note, I prefer we not show case Game and Watch . I would like it to be a surprise for me but you can't stop the willing from show casing him or seeing him in action!

Count Kaiser and I have both used G&W quite often in the streams. His nair is pretty OP at the moment but that will be fixed.

I missed another stream? It would be easier if you guys at least advertised the stream with the thread title.

I recommend checking here (or better yet, the IRC) every Saturday night. That's usually when we do streams, and we do them fairly often.

 

[Cyan_Blau]

Can someone of the team tell me if you already got problems with people pushing you to release a public beta (maybe in Brawl+). And if you would trust someone who really can test P:M and says, that he/she never will release or share anything also no videos.

(Another point is, that I hope there will be a good and short tutorial or something for the actual working and problems. So, that more people can think about things to be fixed (like the head code))

 

[shanus]

Can someone of the team tell me if you already got problems with people pushing you to release a public beta (maybe in Brawl+). And if you would trust someone who really can test P:M and says, that he/she never will release or share anything also no videos.

(Another point is, that I hope there will be a good and short tutorial or something for the actual working and problems. So, that more people can think about things to be fixed (like the head code))

i have no idea what i just read

 

[GP&B]

... lolwut?

Also, could a Link guy (or someone who knows enough about Link) respond to this?

By the way, I wanted to bring up Melee Link's Nair & Bair vs. Brawl Link's. I'm playing Melee just now and I could swear Melee Link's Nair and Bair go out farther. I also feel like Fair comes out a frame or two earlier.

 

[shanus]

... lolwut?

Also, could a Link guy (or someone who knows enough about Link) respond to this?

It's not the distance, its the hitbox duration.

Link has already been taken care, don't worry :-)

 

[Shadic]

I've not noticed the Bair behaving the same as the Melee incarnation, actually. I've been busy, so haven't gotten to doing much recently.

It's pretty awesome. At least, when you can do it consistently.

 

[Magus420]

Did you delete the Terminate Collisions line to do the n-air? That'd be the accurate way to recreate it xD

 

[Rikana]

I've not noticed the Bair behaving the same as the Melee incarnation, actually. I've been busy, so haven't gotten to doing much recently.

It's pretty awesome. At least, when you can do it consistently.

Falcon's bAir works the same way too. You can jump out of it before you fully land assuming you bAir'ed as early as possible in a short hop.

 

[TLMSheikant]

I recommend checking here (or better yet, the IRC) every Saturday night. That's usually when we do streams, and we do them fairly often.

Will do. There better be good sheiks or Ill want my money back.

 

[GP&B]

I've not noticed the Bair behaving the same as the Melee incarnation, actually. I've been busy, so haven't gotten to doing much recently.

It's pretty awesome. At least, when you can do it consistently.

Seen that video and <3 it.

Also, good to hear that Link is good to go already, shanus. I should request Link again in another stream and ask to see those (if there's any visual difference, that is).

 

[smegman666]

hey just a quick idea... why dont guive bowser a hit invincibility .... like hulk or juggernut in marvel vs capcom2 ...

maybe not.. but smal % damage dont cancel they're animation..

i know its supid .. but I have to say it ...

 

[GP&B]

Could you be (more) specific?

 

[Dai Tian]

Super Armor on Bowser? That I remember some was given to his crawl a while ago but I'm not sure if that's going to make it back in. For that matter, what's gonna happen with crawling?

 

[Rikana]

Link doesn't even need bomb jumping anymore now that his AGT combined with AGT's momentum carried over to his upB makes his recovery amazing (you need to upB while you still retain the moment, once the momentum is gone, the upB is back to normal). Its a huge improvement, but still very predictable. And, if you mess up, you're basically dead. I don't believe its over powered. It covers a lot of distance but it has a very predictable path.

If you guys do nerf AGT in general, don't take out the AGT-momentum-influenced upB of Link's. Its very helpful yet, not over powered.

 

[Sterowent]

from melee to brawl, it seemed like a lot of characters, uh...'filled out' some. things like the melee and brawl model of fox show how many characters went from a kind of runner's build to a bit more, uh...torso-rich. or not. it seems like it.

is this a byproduct of the cam+stage changes in brawl, or are the models really that much, uh...thicker? for either case, will there be changes made to make the game less centered on ginormous characters and more on the melee-proportions again?

 

[smegman666]

ok ..
for example :
when bowser take a (for example...) ,less than 15% hit damage attack... it didnt affect him at all .. (but, of course, he absob the damage on his % rate..)

in smash (all of them) if bowser is about to smash the opponent..the opponent could always do a quick little attack (faster than bowser) to cancel bowser's smash atk or.. what ever bowser doing...
but if you do the hit invincibility .. the opponent need to think more of it .. and it could be more realistic
if a chid it a monster.. the monster does'nt gonna move a bit..


it could be more tactical to fight vs bowser of even DK of all big and slow character.. (dedede).. tough.. and more fearsome..
so the little and quick caracter who fight vs those big slow guy with to much confidence .. would need to think twice when they gonna fight them..

 

[ValTroX]

ok ..
for example :
when bowser take a (for example...) ,less than 15% hit damage attack... it didnt affect him at all .. (but, of course, he absob the damage on his % rate..)

in smash (all of them) if bowser is about to smash the opponent..the opponent could always do a quick little attack (faster than bowser) to cancel bowser's smash atk or.. what ever bowser doing...
but if you do the hit invincibility .. the opponent need to think more of it .. and it could be more realistic
if a chid it a monster.. the monster does'nt gonna move a bit..


it could be more tactical to fight vs bowser of even DK of all big and slow character.. (dedede).. tough.. and more fearsome..
so the little and quick caracter who fight vs those big slow guy with to much confidence .. would need to think twice when they gonna fight them..

Sounds like Brawl-?

 

[smegman666]

i didnt play it ... so.. maybe ..maybe not ..

ok here a good example..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6Km_MwxvM
exacly at 0.36 sec...

look what happen

 

[Rudra]

You mean....having super armor frames on some of Bowser's more "powerful" moves? iirc he already has that sort of thing on Bowser Bomb and on his crawl/crouch, but if CC'ing is coded, maybe it can take a bit longer for the CC to be rendered ineffective for him (doubt thats possible =/)

...though it'd be really interesting if the opening animations for Nair/FSmash had some....

 

[MacKellarTeam1]

I think Corneria should have the size of the boarders expanded. Also it should be twice as big, there is no way fox could fit the front of that ship. It's just ridiculas.
'always something that bothered me in brawl'

 

[smegman666]

no really not lol ...
juste that to be stun in the air.. (take the damage animation..) the oponent need to hit it with a ,at least 14% damage atk (or any number ..)

anyway.. its not a big deal.. was juste a little idea thats all..
i didnt play with bowser..

 

[Rikana]

I don't understand what you're saying. So, you want Heavy Armour on certain frames of the attack; no flinching if its 14% or lower. I'm assuming on the early frames of the attack so they can take the damage and still be able to perform the attack.

Anyways. No, I don't think that's a good idea. We shouldn't be adding in any Heavy Armour anywhere other than the ones already provided. Once Crouch Cancel is in, that will be good enough.

Edit: ^^^ learn to use the edit button. You double posted. Twice.

 

[smegman666]

btw thank fot the edit button thing ..

good enough to just see that there is someting to do with bowser... (crouch cancel..)

 

[Sterowent]

if anything were to be specific to those two big dudes, i'd like to see a slightly longer window for their CC, moreso for bowser, and a bit earlier a window for meteor cancels, specifically for DK. whatever's balanced, of course, but the fact that they're so huge compared to everyone else is going to be jarring in a melee-esque game.

unless you're reducing their size, pointing back to my earlier comment.

 

[Kix]

I wouldn't mind super armor being added to stuff. Slowing it down to add super armor is pretty much a nerf in a game like Melee, but the windows and different don't need to be high where the super armor is. Maybe slight damage/knockback/good properties could be added to the moves, or Bowser's weight could be increased. It's just that this is pretty useless and no one would want to waste their time.

Kupo is absolutely right about a single buffer window for everyone.

 

[ValTroX]

I didn't play brawl- either but i read something like that xD

 

[Shell]

Bowser's HA crawl is still in and still awesome.

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I think the best solution to the buffer issue is that we keep the buffer-select feature in and leave it to TOs to decide how they want to run their turneys.

 

[Rikana]

The only problem I see is to get people to agree with what buffer to play on for WiFi matches. Now that dead frames are officially gone, I'd go as low as 20 or even lower but majority would probably still play with 50 or higher. If only different buffers work online.

 

[kupo15]

The only problem I see is to get people to agree with what buffer to play on for WiFi matches. Now that dead frames are officially gone, I'd go as low as 20 or even lower but majority would probably still play with 50 or higher. If only different buffers work online.

I don't see a problem with different buffer settings for online vs offline. I would suggest that the buffering be as low as 0 and as high as 20. If PM can't mimic the style of arbitrary buffering found in melee, I would go with 10. Back when I used to play B+, I had it on 20 (cause it was the least glitchy) but me and my friends really wanted to play with 0 buffer cause after a while, I felt how the buffering even at 20 was getting in the way.

But the main point is that everyone must learn the same buffering setting and therefore the same timings.