Rog~er
Smash Apprentice
what? attacking me for no reason. what i said wasn't directed towards you alone.
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Sheik Video & Video Critique Thread
- Thread starter -Cross-
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what? attacking me for no reason. what i said wasn't directed towards you alone.
lol, I don't know what to say about that, Cross.... so I guess I won't say anything.
Crossjeremiah
Smash Ace
ok the decay thing was off... tristans theory is more in tact. i just tested again
Its not theory.
Crossjeremiah
Smash Ace
sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy xD
goodkid
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb6nH5Qj9cs
Armada(Sheik) vs Kirby
good stuff w/ the f-tilt fair combos
Armada(Sheik) vs Kirby
good stuff w/ the f-tilt fair combos
I hope that teaches the Kirby to stop DIing toward on the ftilt fair situational reset.
I'm hoping he, and the rest of armada's crew, keeps doing it. How good would these vids look if the combo-y got out of the combos?
Not very.
Some of it realistically works a lot didn't. Neat to watch regardless.
Not very.
Some of it realistically works a lot didn't. Neat to watch regardless.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Alright.. use/critique this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68Z_R_oapk
(Ganons are fff'd against us lol)
Disclaimers:
The dude in the vid is actually REALLY good. Here is a vid of his Falco vs me. (critique this as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCttsncFcb8
I was just predicting him and keeping him under pressure in the Ganon match.
(Ganons are fff'd against us lol)
Disclaimers:
The dude in the vid is actually REALLY good. Here is a vid of his Falco vs me. (critique this as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCttsncFcb8
I was just predicting him and keeping him under pressure in the Ganon match.
For future reference, **** vids like that one (and my random vid against Bowyer's Fox) are terrible for critiquing. It's hard to tell you what you were doing wrong when the opponent is barely punishing you for anything.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
I put two vids up. lol
Mainly I wanted the Ganon **** to be used in the thread (if approved by East). That and I wanted to know if I am doing better at my movement on the battle field.
The second one was more for my critiquing. He put up a brick wall and I couldn't get through it, any advice?
East
Crappy Imitation
How much trouble does Ganon have getting around the chain?
sl, your play style is weird. The only word I can equate it to is "jagged"
That Falco video. It seemed like you were throwing out attacks where you were hoping he would be and not where he was. Predicting your opponent is great, but predicting correctly is what counts.
That vanish glide.... was incredibly risky.... but it worked. I'd be very wary of doing something that close.
I'm at a loss for any single contributing factor that was ultimately lead to your defeat.
[Nor did I even see one. I would chock this one up to simply being outplayed, but some people wouldn't accept that. If you're one of those people, sorry]
: /
sl, your play style is weird. The only word I can equate it to is "jagged"
That Falco video. It seemed like you were throwing out attacks where you were hoping he would be and not where he was. Predicting your opponent is great, but predicting correctly is what counts.
That vanish glide.... was incredibly risky.... but it worked. I'd be very wary of doing something that close.
I'm at a loss for any single contributing factor that was ultimately lead to your defeat.
[Nor did I even see one. I would chock this one up to simply being outplayed, but some people wouldn't accept that. If you're one of those people, sorry]
: /
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Well... Tristan is right. I do need a LOT of work on my spacing. That is a big reason why I lost.
BTW.... I was hoping that he would get hit by the Vanish, but my timing was slightly off. Instead I got a nice edge hog. lol
not a single needle... thats purty depressing...
stop poking with weak nair it will always be a grabbed on sheild. use strong bair or retreating fair for spacing. work grabs into you game more. Also learn the range of jab and use it, it's a good way to shut down approaches and inturupt slower moves at low risk.
save you jumps, againt most characters you habe better recovery options from below. it allows you to take better advantage of your invincibility in your upB. You should have been edge hogged numerous times on that first stock.
Learn to DI properly.
You should be fairing on your way back to the stage it slightly improves your recovery.
Needles
stop poking with weak nair it will always be a grabbed on sheild. use strong bair or retreating fair for spacing. work grabs into you game more. Also learn the range of jab and use it, it's a good way to shut down approaches and inturupt slower moves at low risk.
save you jumps, againt most characters you habe better recovery options from below. it allows you to take better advantage of your invincibility in your upB. You should have been edge hogged numerous times on that first stock.
Learn to DI properly.
You should be fairing on your way back to the stage it slightly improves your recovery.
Needles
clowsui
Smash Legend
LOL really good?
it's called "i haven't seen either of you at a SINGLE circuit event"
no age johns either
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Does going to a building say that you have skill?
clowsui
Smash Legend
no, but placing yourself against RECOGNIZED competition and putting yourself in a position where you are going to test yourself against others in order to WIN a nice prize is an easy, objective way to say that you have skill.
let's see some results or at least evidence of tournament attendance. if not, the ppl you play are garbage
alternatively you could MM me at the athens circuit event. it's a two birds, one stone deal!
edit:
i hosted 2 tournies, both of which i placed dead last at but i got out of pools in both cases
in the two other tournies i've been to that don't count as my own i placed 2nd to last in singles and doubles, at the most recent circuit event i placed last (didn't get out of pools)
i suck. but i'm getting better because i'm going to tournies /shrug
i'll get out of pools at the next one, prolly get into the bracket and maybe get like 35th or something. aiming for >17th
edit2:
2000th post
let's see some results or at least evidence of tournament attendance. if not, the ppl you play are garbage
alternatively you could MM me at the athens circuit event. it's a two birds, one stone deal!
edit:
i hosted 2 tournies, both of which i placed dead last at but i got out of pools in both cases
in the two other tournies i've been to that don't count as my own i placed 2nd to last in singles and doubles, at the most recent circuit event i placed last (didn't get out of pools)
i suck. but i'm getting better because i'm going to tournies /shrug
i'll get out of pools at the next one, prolly get into the bracket and maybe get like 35th or something. aiming for >17th
edit2:
2000th post
Crossjeremiah
Smash Ace
we need more good vids. of olimar matchups
iLight
Smash Lord
i think there may have been some matches recorded of my sheik from HOBO 16 =]. I think i did pretty well, getting 13th out of 70+entrants with only sheik. I post them on here when/if i get them from UTDZac
Good **** Light. Looking forward to seeing them.
+1
I should really get vids up too, but there's no point since I have barely actually played brawl since I last put up vids. This game is too boring to practice. I miss melee......
KRDsonic
Smash Master
Hmm... video thread.
KRD (Sheik) vs. Xyro (Samus) (tourny set at HOBO 16)
Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_52-jduAA&fmt=18
Match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTKiuuWHk4&fmt=18
Sorry there was no replay data for match 3, I mostly used Zelda for that match though.
KRD (Sheik) vs. Xyro (Samus) (tourny set at HOBO 16)
Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_52-jduAA&fmt=18
Match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTKiuuWHk4&fmt=18
Sorry there was no replay data for match 3, I mostly used Zelda for that match though.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
ugh, KRD your style sure has changed.
You seem to be more campy now only to charge in to add token damage which ultimately add up so you can kill most of which by a surprise dacus. Basically use you sheik as if she didn't have combos.
You also have a very clear pattern of attack, needle, needle, they start to get close you run forward and attempt to keep them off balance and seemly as quickly as possible end the conflict before returning to your needling.
Personally, I really see nothing wrong with this since hey…it worked on the first match but I just feel you are limiting yourself by doing just that. If I fought Xyro I would follow him around constantly apply pressure only to grab to beat his shield and throw him downwards so I can walk after him. I would draw the whole fight into close range and force him off stage whenever I could since Samus recovery isn’t that good.
Samus doesn't have many options against Sheik nor does Samus have any kill moves to write home about. Making a mistake against Samus wont cost you the match like it might if you fought someone like game and watch.
You seem to be more campy now only to charge in to add token damage which ultimately add up so you can kill most of which by a surprise dacus. Basically use you sheik as if she didn't have combos.
You also have a very clear pattern of attack, needle, needle, they start to get close you run forward and attempt to keep them off balance and seemly as quickly as possible end the conflict before returning to your needling.
Personally, I really see nothing wrong with this since hey…it worked on the first match but I just feel you are limiting yourself by doing just that. If I fought Xyro I would follow him around constantly apply pressure only to grab to beat his shield and throw him downwards so I can walk after him. I would draw the whole fight into close range and force him off stage whenever I could since Samus recovery isn’t that good.
Samus doesn't have many options against Sheik nor does Samus have any kill moves to write home about. Making a mistake against Samus wont cost you the match like it might if you fought someone like game and watch.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
it was weird. i beat two VERY high level sheik but krd was mega hard on the first match. weirrd
dash attack and upsmash are not good approaches.
I liked the fact that you actually used needles did a good job of not letting Xyro charge . But Samus is a match up where you need to watch your distance when you are shooting needles. Charge beam goes through them and you don't want to trade 3 damage for 25.
Keep in mind it takes the same amount of time to shoot one needle as it does to shoot all 6. it seemed like you didn't realize this. espeacially match to where is he was on the platform you'd shoot a needle even if the was no way it would connect.
also, xyro jumped a lot and dodge into the ground alot, these are perfect opportunities for fully charged needles.
Dacus approach, Usmash approach, dash attack approach. No. These are good punishers but not good openers there is too much room to be punished and the attacks are easy to react to.
Bair. I don't think you used bair once. Bair in my opinion is sheik's second best move, second only to needles. Use it more, it's so good!
UP tuesday smashfest. G2G!
KRDsonic
Smash Master
The needle thing is just a bad habbit I've picked up that I've been trying to break myself of. I actually didn't realize that I did that until one of my friends told me on the day of the tournament.
With DACUS, I guess I get too impatient with wanting a kill. The up smash approaches were dumb of me, and some of the dash attack approaches were failed DACUS attempts (others were because it makes her go low enough that she won't get hit by Zair, though idk if her running already does that).
And Bair, I love that move a lot, idk why I didn't use it much in these fights, usually I use it like crazy as soon as I get my opponent off the ledge. <3 Bair.
Yeah... I get impatient as well, especially in friendlies. But in tourney I'd suggest you take you time and wait it out, sheik is so good at punishing the smallest mistakes with very low risk to her self (against most characters) So don't feel like you have to rush it.
Zair. I'd just Pshield. most Samies aren't gonna use it when you are in dash attack range. That move is so hard to punish, well pretty much impossible to punish... trading with needles in't a horrible idea in some cases, Zair does a lot less damagethan 6 needles.
On the ground too! samus wouldn't be able to do a thing against bair->jab (spare upB) eventually you get to easy shield pokes(shield stabs whatever) with dtilt or bair or... even kill moves like nair! Especially against Samus' tallness fun times...
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
Why hasn't this video been added yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX65n-h8JFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX65n-h8JFk
Combo videos are not match videos.
Crossjeremiah
Smash Ace
lol you can create a section for non match vids. but i guess thats pointless...
East
Crappy Imitation
Yeah, combo vids are made to make the character look good. That said, the only non-match vids I'll be putting up are instructional ones.
*EDIT*
I have a few videos. Got to play a friend of mine who just moved down from NJ.
v. King Dedede [Crono]
v. Metaknight [Crono]
v. Metaknight [Crono] 2
*EDIT*
I have a few videos. Got to play a friend of mine who just moved down from NJ.
v. King Dedede [Crono]
v. Metaknight [Crono]
v. Metaknight [Crono] 2
I'll comment on the DDD one. I'll pretty much just note everything I see in order.
:25 Probably not a good idea to ftilt at this percent, but if you do (and I do) follow up with jabs or grab, because they will probably get out, shield (like he did), and grab you. you're lucky he turned around. And generally ftilt isn't great for shield pressure. mix it up with jabs, tilts, aerials, etc.
:35 absolutely NO reason to fsmash. easily blocked and it wouldn't kill now anyway. Do not do that!
:38 I would have gone for the fthrow or dthrow instead of grab release. Could probably follow up well against a DDD at that percent.
:45 I would use dash attack as a punishment tool rather than to follow up. Its to easily punished. A well spaced aerial or needles would have been a better choice.
1:10 you should have killed him with usmash why use bair? o.o
1:18 an aerial approach is fine, but space it well or cross up so you don't get grabbed. Bair would have been a better option to avoid the grab. or needles.
1:23 You should really have killed him. Instead of bair, nair. It kills. And instead of fsmash dsmash it also kills and is actually reliable. nair and dsmash would have killed him like 20 percent ago. Don't let ppl live this long.
1:40 don't attack sheild with dash attack. >.>
1:58 rapid jab is not that unpunishable. Chill with the spam. You know what is pretty good though? dsmash! Do it! lol
2:10 stop giving him free shield grabs with fair approaches. >.< seriously, needlez
2:24 see above
2:34 too low a percent to pumel. just throw.
2:45 finish ftilt locks with nair, ultilt or w/e but don't just let them get out. Know when and how they are going to escape and answer accordingly.
2:46 don't throw out running usmash at this percent. Its a waste even if it does hit since you just decayed your best kill move.
2:50 ALWAYS short hop before chain. It simply makes the chain better in every way.
lol
3:03 don't fish for moves so agreesively. If you keep doing the same move (and missing) they'll notice and punish you. Even if getting a grab would get you 50 percent (and in this case it gets you like 10 lol) don't go for it so desperately, just let the opportunity present itself.
3:08 rapid jabs are just not that good. you get punished for them. 2 jabs-> crouch-> grab. Much more reliable, safe, and effective.
3:15 I don't remember a successful throw this game. sheik's pummels are not that fast. chill with those and just throw especially under 50 percent.
3:16 jab is safer after grab release then ftilt. And ftilting shields ain't safe shield pressure. I already said what you should do for shield pressure.
3:22 more getting punished for sh fair on DDD's shield
3:24 yay, you got the fair! But why fsmash? ftilt would have been a safer follow up and also resulted in much more damage looking at DDD's percent.
3:35 don't waste the usmash if it won't kill. Use nair instead or if you prefer it, utilt.
3:45 punish! with anything! Don't run!
3:59 when someone is on lag on a platform on bf at that percent you upsmash. its a guaranteed tipper and in that case a guaranteed kill.
4:19 some more getting punished for a blatantly unsafe approach on DDD. and DDD could have killed you for this with bthrow. I'm guessing this guy doesn't main DDD?
4:23 if that was intentional you should have started it higher obviously. If not: lol.
4:42 I told you dsmash kills. lol
Overview: MOAR NEEDLEZ!!!1 Seriously needle more. You don't really have to approach DDD, make him approach you. Also use needles more to punish instead of following up with things like dash attack as it is safer, more damaging, and easier to hit with. Off stage needles set up for great gimps too. Short hop fair is not the safest approach so replace it with bair or nair(? I remember hearing autocancled nair to jab on shield is unpunishable). walking and jabbing is good, but if you're going to rapid jab it kind of defeats the purpose of such a safe approach. Follow up ftilts better according to the percent, di, weight, etc and learn what percents you should be using it at, because you used it a lot just at all the wrong times. Learn how to use DACUS (light is an amazing reference for this) as in learn how to space with it and when it is safe to punish with it (air dodges, aerial lag, general lag).
Do me a favor and tell the DDD about bair. Its too good. XD
Wow, that's the first Dedede I've ever seen who doesn't know how to KO.
East
Crappy Imitation
Not my problem, lol
Thanks Rathy. I want to know though, are needles an actually a viable move for gimping? I know it was in melee, but in brawl with the decreased hitstun I can say that I've never seen a sheik gimp someone in brawl using needles. Are there any videos?
aerial needles to fair is pretty common. And even if it doesn't gimp it still makes your opponents life harder and adds damage with no danger so its a good idea anyway. Just a better option than edgeguarding with fair, nair, etc when you know your opponent can just outrange you like marth. =/ Anyone know of any vids with needles assisting a gimp?
Lazee
Smash Apprentice
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watch me vs gameophile for needle gimp
other vids are of me vs rich brown who is on socals pr
vs kirby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZI4HW56xf4&feature=channel_page
vs olimar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxah-gClVvU&feature=channel
vs marth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEkbgDm57FQ&feature=channel
vs gameophiles game and watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcD0xBorTtw&feature=channel
critiques are welcome!
also there are gonna be plenty more tomorrow against rich browns snake and some unknown socal players lol
other vids are of me vs rich brown who is on socals pr
vs kirby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZI4HW56xf4&feature=channel_page
vs olimar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxah-gClVvU&feature=channel
vs marth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEkbgDm57FQ&feature=channel
vs gameophiles game and watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcD0xBorTtw&feature=channel
critiques are welcome!
also there are gonna be plenty more tomorrow against rich browns snake and some unknown socal players lol
Crossjeremiah
Smash Ace
i noticed you dont space at all . you like sit in one place and ftilt. then roll when you want to, to mix it up i guess. your spot dodges are kind of ok when you predict there attack. you need to take advantage of the foxtrots, shield dashing. and move around . thats what makes sheik a a mindfuk. you need to not ftilt as your first move. use needles more and then ftilt. and then ftilt to fair if you see it. i honestly dont like your style. well your new too sheik so i wouldn't blame ya