Smash Bros. Canon Tournament! (Mario Vs. ????) - 06/14/10

[missingnomaster]

Dk also has a coconut gun he can fire from afar. and orange grenades.

also the dk congo bongo jam is powerful.

link should also be able to use tingle.backup

Also link could put on zora tunic hop in teh boat. and put on iron boots and hookshot DK and drag him down. Drowning him. He could wrap him up with the grapple first or stun him with the boomerang. or just kill DK while hes in the water cuz he isnt invincible.what water? This is a neutral battlefield

From tp midna could help link teleport a lake to their location.backup

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[Akuma2120]

Yo, Link has WAY too many items he can use to trash all of these people combined, here I'll list a few:

-Ball&Chain makes link near impossible to approach, he can keep swinging it around him at a fast pace

-Arrow(Fire/Ice/Bomb/Light) Link can shoot these off almost instantly in his games, not to mention with bomb arrows even if he misses if he aims at the ground it still explodes on the enemy, also, he has hawk eyes for long range sniping ability

-Biggoron sword gives link crazy range

-Mirror shield absorbs magic projectiles and fires it back and in PH if any projectile hits it, the shield shoots out a destructive beam at the opponent

-Fierce Deity Mask gives him Double Helix sword which shoots beams

-Chateau Romani gives Link infinite Magic

-Magic Armor and Nayru's Love makes him invincible

-Farore's Wind = teleport

-inverted song of time = time slowed(in MM people moved slower when you did this), the effects of this last, all Link has to do is teleport a good distance and play the song

-Bunny Hood gives increase in speed

-Stone Mask makes Link invisible to living people

-Giant's Mask makes him... well a giant

-Golden Gauntlets = God-like strength, being able to lift large castle supporting pillars and toss them like an empty cardboard box

-Red ring cuts down damage done by enemies to 1/4 of it's power

-Quake Medallion lets link create massive earthquakes

-Ether medallion creates intense blast of cold air freezing everything around him

-Roc's Cape pretty much turns link into batman for gliding abilities lol




More Stuff Here: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Items

And as we all know Link has no limit on items he can carry

Link would beat Samus with just the mirror shield shooting descructive beams back at her by blocking her projectiles with his mirror shield, that matchup needs to be changed, and against DK? LOL I love DK but he doesn't stand the slightest chance

Any objections?

 

[Sasha]

There's no such thing as infinite invincibility on videogames. <_< (unless it's a glitch)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8759388&postcount=5293

Ever play DK64? It's a crystal coconut ability. Though he needs to find a barrel to jump in so he can become invincible.

Dk also has a coconut gun he can fire from afar. and orange grenades.

also the dk congo bongo jam is powerful.

link should also be able to use tingle.

Also link could put on zora tunic hop in teh boat. and put on iron boots and hookshot DK and drag him down. Drowning him. He could wrap him up with the grapple first or stun him with the boomerang. or just kill DK while hes in the water cuz he isnt invincible.

From tp midna could help link teleport a lake to their location.

1) Tingle = backup
2) DK can breathe forever underwater. (DK Country 1,2,3; DK 64) Though I dunno if he can actually fight underwater. Nothing I've ever seen indicates that.
3) I agree with the DK Congo ability. Kinda *****.

Also, DK's a lot stronger than Link, his Orange grenades are homing (to an extent), though the Coconut Gun is way too slow to do any damage (unless he has homing ammo), and DK's way more maneuverable than Link. He can jump (!), ground pound, etc.

@Akuma2120:
Link can only use Giant's Mask in one room of Majora's Mask. It's hard to argue that he'd be able to use it against DK. The Fierce Deity Mask can also only be used in Boss Rooms (unless he does the Kafei Quest glitch first I guess).

I still vote that Link wins, if only because of his magic abilities. Quake + Ether + Nayru's Love + Din's Fire + Magic Potion = Win.

EDIT: At the Samus comment above, Samus can use her grapple beam to tear Link's shield away. Then GG Link.

EDIT 2: Found a video of Bowser teleporting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rGuIZGp4&feature=related. It's about 20 seconds in.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Mewtwo should've won from Bowser. <_< Gonna say this untill it's changed.

Anyways, yeah DK has stuff that helps him in this match up. For once, arrows and bombs wouldn't work, as the sound-wave attack would stop that. DK's invincibility isn't depended on a magic meter, and he's got 3 forms;
Going Bananas (uses 20 of 300 bananas he has, kinda his "equipment" from DK:King of Swing, powers up his roll attack as well lolz)
Crystal Stars (he can have 6 of those in Jungle Climber, each lasting 8 seconds)
Strong Kong (requires special barrel, so nevermind)

And while arrows and bombs don't work for Link, DK sitll has his Coconut Gun and Orange Grenade for ranged attacks. He's also real powerful of coarse, and can dodge quite easily despite his size as shown in fist to fist fights in Jungle Beat (and Punch Out Wii, but haven't played that game). Here's a video where you can see how DK moves and fights in DK: Jungle Beat : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Fr3wRIHhU . Though it may be a bit unclear sometimes what he does if your not familiar with the game, it's... very Japanese.

Especially an great advantage of DK is his health. He can get about 2000 beats, which kinda act like HP in RPGs in Jungle Beat, and even though he's a lot smaller, he overpowers the bosses easily.

EDIT: Also, he was able to defeat "Kongs" who where specialised in material arts as karate (Karate Kong) sumo wrestling (Sumo Kong) and ninjas (Ninja Kong and Ninjapes) and he did so by having more combat skills.

But this match up is real difficult. Most people would say Link wins yeah, and I'm more leaning toward Link winning this match as well but DK has lots of things that could work out in his favour, so lemme see what Link can do. But exactly what Link is DK fighting? Cause the only adult Links we can use are Link from OoT and Twilight Princess.

Oh and Mewtwo should've won.

 

[PowerBomb]

Which Link are we using?

Mewtwo won't beat Bowser. It just doesn't happen.

Embargo is shown to have certain limitations. Very minor limitations, but they're there.

 

[Crystanium]

Link would beat Samus with just the mirror shield shooting descructive beams back at her by blocking her projectiles with his mirror shield, that matchup needs to be changed[...]

galekill, is that you? Are you one of galekill's friends?

Any objections?

Yes. Not every Link is the same Link incarnation, therefore, the items one incarnation acquired cannot be given to another incarnation. They must be the selfsame character. TP Link doesn't have Nayru's Love, and OoT Link doesn't have the Ball & Chain.

 

[Akuma2120]

Ever play DK64? It's a crystal coconut ability. Though he needs to find a barrel to jump in so he can become invincible

Also, DK's a lot stronger than Link

@Akuma2120:
Link can only use Giant's Mask in one room of Majora's Mask. It's hard to argue that he'd be able to use it against DK. The Fierce Deity Mask can also only be used in Boss Rooms (unless he does the Kafei Quest glitch first I guess).

I still vote that Link wins, if only because of his magic abilities. Quake + Ether + Nayru's Love + Din's Fire + Magic Potion = Win.

EDIT: At the Samus comment above, Samus can use her grapple beam to tear Link's shield away. Then GG Link.

EDIT 2: Found a video of Bowser teleporting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rGuIZGp4&feature=related. It's about 20 seconds in.

-Link + Bunny Hood + Bomb Arrows + Clawshot = No barrel for DK
-Link + Golden Gauntlets = way stronger than DK, plus Link in general can move giant stone block like 5 times his size >_>
-Those masks could be used anywhere, it's a gameplay balancing issue that prevents link from using those outside boss rooms, not some magical restriction that only lets you use them in certain parts of the **** planet >_> really
-I agree too
-Link's shield is strapped to his arm, that would just pull him to her, and Link's best at close range, that's a dumb idea, oh and Bunny Hood = faster speed = no chance of grapple hook landing, the grapple hook has startup lag and takes at least a full second to reach something from a good distance and is forced to go in a straight line, Link can easily strafe, no way grappling hook would land
-**** I forgot about his teleporting crap, but Bowsers so **** slow, no way he could beat mewtwo(not a pokemon fan, I actually hate it, but I'm trying to be realistic)

Anyways, yeah DK has stuff that helps him in this match up. For once, arrows and bombs wouldn't work, as the sound-wave attack would stop that.

DK's invincibility isn't depended on a magic meter, and he's got 3 forms;

And while arrows and bombs don't work for Link, DK sitll has his Coconut Gun and Orange Grenade for ranged attacks.

He's also real powerful of coarse

Especially an great advantage of DK is his health. He can get about 2000 beats, which kinda act like HP in RPGs in Jungle Beat, and even though he's a lot smaller, he overpowers the bosses easily.

But exactly what Link is DK fighting? Cause the only adult Links we can use are Link from OoT and Twilight Princess.

-Bomb Arrow + Soundwave = explosion on DK
-DK's invincibility is determined by his ability to get to a special barrel first
-Coconut Gun is slow as hell, and then grenade too, easily dodgeable especially with bunny hood + you're forgetting Link's mirror shield, shoots destructive beam back when hit with projectiles
-Golden Gauntles>DK
-well in that case Link's got fairies which revive him automatically when he dies
-Wait, you're going about it like that? You're splitting the Links by the games? Well then we have to split DK by his games too right? That wouldn't be fair if you don't

Yes. Not every Link is the same Link incarnation, therefore, the items one incarnation acquired cannot be given to another incarnation. They must be the selfsame character. TP Link doesn't have Nayru's Love, and OoT Link doesn't have the Ball & Chain.

Not every DK is the same in each game either, WTF is that? That's not fair, you have to split all characters by each game if you're going to do it for one. Link is a reincarnated soul with a different body in the same world that spawned the same items, really just because he didn't get some weapons in some games doesn't mean they never existed for that Link, he's gotten the fairy bow a ton of times >_>

EDIT: And the Link from SCII had weapons spanning across a bunch of games, so yeah Link should get all those weapons I posted, Link is treated as a constant character, the only "other" link would be the WW Link because he's a completely different person, he's not the reincarnated hero of time, splitting those 2 is fine but splitting the others is just stupid and unfair

EDIT 2: And obviously if the TC gave a crap about dilluting all the Links he would've said so, but he didn't so Link should be treated as a constant character unless the TC wants to make a poll every time Link has a matchup as to which one should be chosen, and seeing as that's unlikely, a uniformed decision will not happen, meaning Link is treated as one character, so all I posted stands until TC states otherwise

**** Skippy!

 

[missingnomaster]

The reason Link is different is because while it's the same soul, it's in a different body, in a different time, in most of the games. There's no way for Ocarina of Time Link to get Twilight Princess stuff for example.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I dont know the rules lol of this thread.

but Id say that tingle midna bees and magic bees and Zelda could all back link up at once.

Link does have a mirror shield that could possibly reflect some of dks ****.

technically I think link could take DKs crystals and things with the grappeling hook.

Dk is strong but there is no way he can block the master sword at full power. or **** that the golden sword from link to the past.

plus if you combine all of the things that half damage link will be hard to kill the first time. granny soup purple drank and fairies ****.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

The reason Link is different is because while it's the same soul, it's in a different body, in a different time, in most of the games. There's no way for Ocarina of Time Link to get Twilight Princess stuff for example.

Kinda pulls him down as a character alot though.

 

[missingnomaster]

I dont know the rules lol of this thread.

but Id say that tingle midna bees and magic bees and Zelda could all back link up at once.

Link does have a mirror shield that could possibly reflect some of dks ****.

technically I think link could take DKs crystals and things with the grappeling hook.

Dk is strong but there is no way he can block the master sword at full power. or **** that the golden sword from link to the past.

plus if you combine all of the things that half damage link will be hard to kill the first time. granny soup purple drank and fairies ****.

Tingle, Midna, bees, AND Zelda? Trust me, you don't want backup to be allowed. Sonic would dominate with all of his friends to team people, and Samus could be backed by the Galactic Federation, and Ganondorf has a very large army, as does Bowser, Dedede, and FE Lords...

Purple Drank? What?

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

Purple Drank? What?

He's talking about WW Link. Who is a different character, so I don't know why.

 

[Crystanium]

-Link + Bunny Hood + Bomb Arrows + Clawshot = No barrel for DK

That really doesn't matter. Donkey Kong isn't getting any invincible barrels, because they're an external source like the blocks in Super Mario. Unless they're items that can be held in an inventory, Donkey Kong isn't going to be invincible anyway.

-Those masks could be used anywhere, it's a gameplay balancing issue that prevents link from using those outside boss rooms, not some magical restriction that only lets you use them in certain parts of the **** planet >_> really

Prove it. Also, who says Donkey Kong or any character Link is fighting is a boss? Who says that this neutral land is even a boss room?

-Link's shield is strapped to his arm,

So? Samus tore off the jets from the "Dragoon" Battle Drones, causing them to crash. She used the Grapple Lasso on Phaz-Ings and Adult Gragnols, producing enough physical stress to kill them. Against the Korakk Beast, Samus pulls its tail, causing it to fall over and exposing the belly. When she fights the Defense Drone on SkyTown, Elysia, she fires the three antennas, which then exposes the optic device, which allows Samus to pull on it and expose the interior hull. When Samus fights Aurora Unit 313, she pulls the hatch open, which allows her to overload the AU with Phazon. Different Pirate Aerotroopers, including, Armored, Advanced, and Assault can have their jetpacks torn off. The energy shields carried by some Space Pirates can be pulled out of their hands.

oh and Bunny Hood = faster speed = no chance of grapple hook landing,

That's assuming Link has precognition. Besides that, you're just saying what you would do if you were in Link's position, not what Link would do.

-well in that case Link's got fairies which revive him automatically when he dies

That makes me wonder if fairies are considered a helping hand, considering they are virtually autonomous and do not need your permission to heal. This was asked at another message board I attend by someone who said it was Link versus Sora, and since Sora didn't get any summons or back-up, Link should not have the fairies to revive him. Just a thought. What does everyone else think?

-Wait, you're going about it like that? You're splitting the Links by the games? Well then we have to split DK by his games too right? That wouldn't be fair if you don't

Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3 is the same DK in Donkey Kong 64 and those other Donkey Kong games for the GameCube.

Not every DK is the same in each game either, WTF is that? That's not fair, you have to split all characters by each game if you're going to do it for one.

DK from DKC 1, 2, 3, DK 64, and the other DK games for the GameCube are the selfsame DKs.

Link is a reincarnated soul with a different body in the same world that spawned the same items, really just because he didn't get some weapons in some games doesn't mean they never existed for that Link, he's gotten the fairy bow a ton of times >_>

Prove that Link is reincarnated, and that the creators of Zelda do not wish to create another person who does not look like Link. It was held before in the past that Link from The Legend of Zelda was the same Link from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. We know they're not the same now, since Shigeru Miyamoto made that clear when The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker came out. Thus, no one holds to the Single Link Theory anymore. They're not the selfsame Link, and if they were, it wouldn't matter, since Link is inhabiting a new body, and the time period is so far apart. Think of it this way. Transferring data from one computer to another does not make the computer with the transferred data the same as the computer from which the information was transferred. Same soul? All right. It's not the same person, though.

EDIT: And the Link from SCII had weapons spanning across a bunch of games, so yeah Link should get all those weapons I posted, Link is treated as a constant character, the only "other" link would be the WW Link because he's a completely different person, he's not the reincarnated hero of time, splitting those 2 is fine but splitting the others is just stupid and unfair

Soul Calibur is non-canonical. It doesn't count. I don't know why you think it's not fair, but hey, life isn't fair. And besides, I see Link winning this one.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yea I see what you are getting at.

help sucks lol.

There is no way Dk is gonna beat the hero of time or link from windwaker.

Dk is strong but link is too with gloves. he also has counter attacks and quickdraw. Not to mention that link could get all 3 pieces of the triforce and have **** powers.

 

[Crystanium]

Yea I see what you are getting at.

help sucks lol.

There is no way Dk is gonna beat the hero of time or link from windwaker.

Dk is strong but link is too with gloves. he also has counter attacks and quickdraw. Not to mention that link could get all 3 pieces of the triforce and have **** powers.

Link never acquired all three Triforce Pieces. Never mind The Legend of Zelda, which only had the Triforce of Wisdom and the Triforce of Power. So, he's not getting any wishes here.

It makes me wonder when the Triforce of Courage was first introduced.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Link never acquired all three Triforce Pieces. Never mind The Legend of Zelda, which only had the Triforce of Wisdom and the Triforce of Power. So, he's not getting any wishes here.

It makes me wonder when the Triforce of Courage was first introduced.

"It can only be called fate... That here, I would again gather the three with the crests... That I should lay my hand on that which grants the wishes of the beholder. That when power, wisdom, and courage come together, the gods would have no choice but to come down... The power of the gods... The Triforce! He who touches it will have whatever he desires granted!"

- Ganondorf.

Yeah.

 

[missingnomaster]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Ganondorf was the one who said that.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Ganondorf was the one who said that.

I wasn't trying to make a point.

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

Well.. I'm leaning towards Link myself.

Any objections before I move on?

 

[Diddy Kong]

-Link + Bunny Hood + Bomb Arrows + Clawshot = No barrel for DK
-Link + Golden Gauntlets = way stronger than DK, plus Link in general can move giant stone block like 5 times his size >_>
-Those masks could be used anywhere, it's a gameplay balancing issue that prevents link from using those outside boss rooms, not some magical restriction that only lets you use them in certain parts of the **** planet >_> really
-I agree too
-Link's shield is strapped to his arm, that would just pull him to her, and Link's best at close range, that's a dumb idea, oh and Bunny Hood = faster speed = no chance of grapple hook landing, the grapple hook has startup lag and takes at least a full second to reach something from a good distance and is forced to go in a straight line, Link can easily strafe, no way grappling hook would land
-**** I forgot about his teleporting crap, but Bowsers so **** slow, no way he could beat mewtwo(not a pokemon fan, I actually hate it, but I'm trying to be realistic)

Link is unfortunatly splitted up in different characters, cause most Zelda games happen in a different time. So masks are only available for Young Link.

Dunno if Link will win in close range, but his Spin Attack would be good though. However, DK's agile enough to jump on top of Link's head while he's spinning. That's gonna hurt for sure.

Yeah, Mewtwo should've won from Bowser. It's real strange... First, the OP was about to let Mewtwo win, then he was making it a draw, and then Bowser suddenly won while we're still debating that match up more than else... Or at least I do. <_< Mewtwo should've won, and I've yet to see a vid of Bowser teleporting... >_>

-Bomb Arrow + Soundwave = explosion on DK
-DK's invincibility is determined by his ability to get to a special barrel first
-Coconut Gun is slow as hell, and then grenade too, easily dodgeable especially with bunny hood + you're forgetting Link's mirror shield, shoots destructive beam back when hit with projectiles
-Golden Gauntles>DK
-well in that case Link's got fairies which revive him automatically when he dies
-Wait, you're going about it like that? You're splitting the Links by the games? Well then we have to split DK by his games too right? That wouldn't be fair if you don't

The sound wave has HUGE range, so no. Bomb arrows would just explode before they get close to DK. The shockwave might even be SO big, that Link himself would get hurt from the explosion. O_O

Coconut Gun indeed is slow, but hey at least DK has got his range covered. Mirror Shield doesn't work on most projectiles, and I think the coconut would just... break if hit by Link's shield anyway right?

Golden Gauntles have no effect on Link's sword attacks. Fairies can be used yeah, big advantage for Link.

Not every DK is the same in each game either, WTF is that? That's not fair, you have to split all characters by each game if you're going to do it for one. Link is a reincarnated soul with a different body in the same world that spawned the same items, really just because he didn't get some weapons in some games doesn't mean they never existed for that Link, he's gotten the fairy bow a ton of times >_>

Truth.

DK is a split personality as well. However, the DK who appears in Smash Bros. has always been DK Jr. and not the original Donkey Kong from the Arcade game. That'd happen to be Cranky Kong in modern day games.

You've made a point here though, but as you said yourself: "Link is a reincarnated soul with a different body in the same world that spawned the same items". That still doesn't mean that he should get any item from other Links, cause most of them don't reappear. The fact alone that Link is a reincarnated soul everytime explains most of it already...

EDIT: And the Link from SCII had weapons spanning across a bunch of games, so yeah Link should get all those weapons I posted, Link is treated as a constant character, the only "other" link would be the WW Link because he's a completely different person, he's not the reincarnated hero of time, splitting those 2 is fine but splitting the others is just stupid and unfair

EDIT 2: And obviously if the TC gave a crap about dilluting all the Links he would've said so, but he didn't so Link should be treated as a constant character unless the TC wants to make a poll every time Link has a matchup as to which one should be chosen, and seeing as that's unlikely, a uniformed decision will not happen, meaning Link is treated as one character, so all I posted stands until TC states otherwise

**** Skippy![/QUOTE]

Maybe OoT and TP Link can get merged, cause those Links are both in Smash but I don't think much else really can be done. You should discuss this with the OP.

That really doesn't matter. Donkey Kong isn't getting any invincible barrels, because they're an external source like the blocks in Super Mario. Unless they're items that can be held in an inventory, Donkey Kong isn't going to be invincible anyway.

Okay I'm gonna say this for the last time:

DK HAS OTHER FORMS OF INVINCIBILITY OTHER THAN JUMPING IN A BARREL TO USE "STRONG KONG" AS SHOWN IN DK64. DK WAS ABLE TO GET INVINCIBLE IN BOTH DK:KING OF SWING AND DK:JUNGLE CLIMBER AS WELL!

Now I hope someone is gonna read this, cause I'm gonna explain this **** again. I've did so last 2 pages maybe, hopefully someone is gonna read this for a change <_<

Invincibility in DK: King of Swing: Going Bananas
Press A to become invincible. Nothing needs to be explained here. Bananas are used for invincibility, but they have a DIFFERENT role than they have in Donkey Kong Country. DK carries 300 bananas max with him. Pressing B would make DK heal, cost of that is 10 bananas.

Invincibility in DK: Jungle Climber: Crystal Stars
DK has 6 of these with him, each Crystal Star is formed by collecting smaller crystals. To preform this move, you must touch the crystal on the right corner of the touch screen, as it's in a DS game. Invincibility lasts 8 seconds, and DK can have 6 Crystal Stars. Also let's him able to FLY briefly. Not lying.

tldr; There are more invincibility options for DK than Strong Kong.

Spoiler

If you read this, then you secretly know Mewtwo >>> Bowser so please change this already. Okaybai.

 

[missingnomaster]

It wouldn't be THAT hard to find a video of Bowser teleporting yourself. There should be plenty of videos on it, since it's SM64. Its from the 2nd Bowser fight in that game. Plus, someone already posted a video showing Bowser teleporting, though the quality is not that good.

 

[Lord Viper]

It wouldn't be THAT hard to find a video of Bowser teleporting yourself. There should be plenty of videos on it, since it's SM64. Its from the 2nd Bowser fight in that game. Plus, someone already posted a video showing Bowser teleporting, though the quality is not that good.

☆ Pfff, you don't need a video to show if everyone played SM64. It's humanly impossible for someone to not play that game or even forget the game play. >.< ☆

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well okay tell me this then... How'd Mario beat Bowser if he keeps on teleporting away? <_< Mario's way more limited in SM64 than Mewtwo is.

 

[missingnomaster]

Obviously because Bowser had bad AI in that game. The Teleport would remain an effective way to dodge Mewtwo's Aura Sphere, all Bowser has to do is teleport when Mewtwo throws it, unless Mewtwo is really close, which probably isn't the best idea since Bowser is pretty strong.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Bowser moves too sluggish to get a clear attack on the second Bowser fight. You mostly beat Bowser the same way. Weird, it's much easier to beat Bowser in SM64 than on Galaxy. XD ☆

 

[Crystanium]

Okay I'm gonna say this for the last time:

DK HAS OTHER FORMS OF INVINCIBILITY OTHER THAN JUMPING IN A BARREL TO USE "STRONG KONG" AS SHOWN IN DK64. DK WAS ABLE TO GET INVINCIBLE IN BOTH DK:KING OF SWING AND DK:JUNGLE CLIMBER AS WELL!

Now I hope someone is gonna read this, cause I'm gonna explain this **** again. I've did so last 2 pages maybe, hopefully someone is gonna read this for a change <_<

Invincibility in DK: King of Swing: Going Bananas
Press A to become invincible. Nothing needs to be explained here. Bananas are used for invincibility, but they have a DIFFERENT role than they have in Donkey Kong Country. DK carries 300 bananas max with him. Pressing B would make DK heal, cost of that is 10 bananas.

Invincibility in DK: Jungle Climber: Crystal Stars
DK has 6 of these with him, each Crystal Star is formed by collecting smaller crystals. To preform this move, you must touch the crystal on the right corner of the touch screen, as it's in a DS game. Invincibility lasts 8 seconds, and DK can have 6 Crystal Stars. Also let's him able to FLY briefly. Not lying.

tldr; There are more invincibility options for DK than Strong Kong.

Spoiler

If you read this, then you secretly know Mewtwo >>> Bowser so please change this already. Okaybai.

I've never played those before, so I didn't know. Um, when DK becomes invincible, is he invincible forever, or what?

 

[A17]

ignoring all this special stuff, link can easily get DK a hard time with the master sword.

ape fist < sharp blade.

would you go fist fighting with a swordsman?

 

[PowerBomb]

No, you'd shoot him.

 

[Akuma2120]

The reason Link is different is because while it's the same soul, it's in a different body, in a different time, in most of the games. There's no way for Ocarina of Time Link to get Twilight Princess stuff for example.

DK has different abilities in different games that may or may not return, yet you've meshed all of his abilities together, why won't you do that for Link. It doesn't matter if it's a different body, IT'S STILL LINK, you can't say the main character of the Zelda series is anyone other than Link, what you're saying is just an excuse to lower his potential

No there's no way for OOT Link to get TP stuff, but there is for TP Link to get OOT stuff

And if you say no to that, then DK can't get his crystal coconuts or gun because they were only in a few games a while back and the new ones are at a new time and a different setting

Do you not see how ridiculous that is? I can pawn the same stuff off on DK, only difference is he has the same body, big friggin deal, it's still Link, I smell hypocrisy

Kinda pulls him down as a character alot though.

It's unfair to do this to one character and not all, mine as well just pull Link from this tier list seeing as according to some people here, there is no universal Link so he actually doesn't exist >_>

Prove it. Also, who says Donkey Kong or any character Link is fighting is a boss? Who says that this neutral land is even a boss room?
Prove me wrong, there's no textual evidence that I can recall that states the masks become useless outside of a certain part of an entire plane of existence yet you insist this is true

I'm using some common sense here saying the developers would never allow that because then the game would be ruined if you ran around as a giant just smashing over temples to go right to the boss and beat them >_>, it doesn't take much thinking to figure that out


So? Samus tore off the jets from the "Dragoon" Battle Drones, causing them to crash. She used the Grapple Lasso on Phaz-Ings and Adult Gragnols, producing enough physical stress to kill them. Against the Korakk Beast, Samus pulls its tail, causing it to fall over and exposing the belly. When she fights the Defense Drone on SkyTown, Elysia, she fires the three antennas, which then exposes the optic device, which allows Samus to pull on it and expose the interior hull. When Samus fights Aurora Unit 313, she pulls the hatch open, which allows her to overload the AU with Phazon. Different Pirate Aerotroopers, including, Armored, Advanced, and Assault can have their jetpacks torn off. The energy shields carried by some Space Pirates can be pulled out of their hands.
Gold Gauntlets, Link lifts Samus up by her grapple beam and smashes her in the ground back and forth like you see in old cartoons, and Link himself is no pushover when it comes to strength, he's been shown to move gaint stone blocks many times his size without any gauntlets, oh and FYI I have all the Metroid Prime games and have beat them so I know what Samus is capable of, and it is not enough to beat Link, as I've said before, Link would simply dodge the grapple beam with bunny hood


That's assuming Link has precognition. Besides that, you're just saying what you would do if you were in Link's position, not what Link would do.
You play as Link in the **** game and control his actions meaning his choice of actions are infinitely varied, really WTF

If you see a dangerous weapon coming at you, YOU MOVE, it's basic logic, if a tether beam is coming to grab you, you don't try and block, and why would Link just sit there standing still in the first place, in LOZ games, movement is constantly required to dodge attacks and counterattack, shielding options are used for projectiles not jiujitsu/tether moves


That makes me wonder if fairies are considered a helping hand, considering they are virtually autonomous and do not need your permission to heal. This was asked at another message board I attend by someone who said it was Link versus Sora, and since Sora didn't get any summons or back-up, Link should not have the fairies to revive him. Just a thought. What does everyone else think?
They're items that you put in a bottle, many items are put in bottles, potions heal too but they are not backup, these fairies aren't wish granters, they serve one purpose only and that's it, they have no real intelligence, I call Item



Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3 is the same DK in Donkey Kong 64 and those other Donkey Kong games for the GameCube.
You play as Link in every Zelda game, difference? A body, Link is made of two parts, soul and body, just because one changes, doesn't mean it's not the same being, you play as LINK in zelda games, that is the character, it's simple


DK from DKC 1, 2, 3, DK 64, and the other DK games for the GameCube are the selfsame DKs.
Nope, some have different abilities, some can communicate via words/text and some can't, and not all DK's have the same abilities, see they're different just like Link lets split them too

Quit nitpicking one small detail, Link is Link is Link is Link, there's no way around it, he's different in some games, well so is DK, who cares HOW they are different,

FACT is you're splitting up one characters differences between games while leaving all the others intact, it's unfair and hypocritical



Prove that Link is reincarnated, and that the creators of Zelda do not wish to create another person who does not look like Link. It was held before in the past that Link from The Legend of Zelda was the same Link from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. We know they're not the same now, since Shigeru Miyamoto made that clear when The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker came out. Thus, no one holds to the Single Link Theory anymore. They're not the selfsame Link, and if they were, it wouldn't matter, since Link is inhabiting a new body, and the time period is so far apart. Think of it this way. Transferring data from one computer to another does not make the computer with the transferred data the same as the computer from which the information was transferred. Same soul? All right. It's not the same person, though.
The main character is Link, that's who you play as, new body, who cares it's just another difference you're nitpicking, Link is made of 2 parts body and soul, just because one changes doesn't mean he's a completely new being, you're still playing Link

As for proving he's reincarnated, Wind Waker does that for you, Link appears in times of crisis, the hero chosen by the goddesses, so what happened in the legend? Link disappeared, the guy the goddesses chose as the hero was gone because Zelda sent him back in time, he didn't exist in that world anymore, so what other reason could it be that the goddesses couldn't have Link return? His soul didn't exist in that realm anymore, it's simple, Link reappears through time via his soul which is reincarnation. In TP the spirit of Ordona says you have awakened as the Hero of Time and says that is his true form, what else do you need, it's the same **** person it's stated in text, different body but same being



Soul Calibur is non-canonical. It doesn't count. I don't know why you think it's not fair, but hey, life isn't fair. And besides, I see Link winning this one.
Where was it stated that all of this has to be canon? Show me all I saw was that these characters are to represent the games they appeared in, Link appeared in SCII where's the contradiction? And I don't care who ends up winning, I'm just defending my point

EDIT: Nevermind I just found the "original" part in the OP

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[PowerBomb]

Uh, this is true to their own games...

Soul Caliber isn't Link's game...

And if nothing has to be canon, then we can make up ludicrous ****.

Link is in vastly different generations. The rest of the characters are usually in one era, instead of several different ones.

 

[Akuma2120]

Uh, this is true to their own games...

Soul Caliber isn't Link's game...

And if nothing has to be canon, then we can make up ludicrous ****.

My bad, didn't see the "original" part of the OP, but non-cannon stuff isn't completely random crap

...and where the hell did you get that avatar? Does Ganon really make that face or is that shopped?

 

[PowerBomb]

It's one of the avatars available to you in SWF. I think it's G-dorf getting smacked or something.

EDIT: Are you the person who said that Link would beat Samus? I laugh at anyone who says that unless it's a certain Link who can do whatever.

 

[Sasha]

Hey DiddyKong guy look!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rGuIZGp4&feature=related

I posted this like 5 pages ago. Bowser teleporting is about 20 seconds into the video. Though Mewtwo is still >>>>> Bowser.

As far as Link is concerned, why don't we let him have access to all items in Zelda games with an Adult Link? (i.e. no Majora's Mask items or other Young Link items)

 

[KAOSTAR]

Obviously because Bowser had bad AI in that game. The Teleport would remain an effective way to dodge Mewtwo's Aura Sphere, all Bowser has to do is teleport when Mewtwo throws it, unless Mewtwo is really close, which probably isn't the best idea since Bowser is pretty strong.

mewtwo is psychic. He can stop bowser from moving using disable.

psychic hits everywhere anyway so unless bowser can stay gone hes gonna get hit.

plus m2 can read his mind and teleport with bowser and fire as he reappears.

There is no way bowser can **** m2.

also bowser can only do half the **** he does because of gadgets or power of the stars. Even with that power mario has been in the same games and ***** him.

 

[Crystanium]

For future references, please break the quotations apart instead of writing within my quote box. It's very annoying to put up with, and it's lazy.

Prove me wrong, there's no textual evidence that I can recall that states the masks become useless outside of a certain part of an entire plane of existence yet you insist this is true

I don't need to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you. Don't try shifting it. Please prove that Link is fighting a boss. Please prove that the neutral land is a boss room. Please prove that the Fierce Deity and Giant's mask can be used outside of the game. In-game evidence proves this false by showing that Link can only use the Fierce Deity mask in boss rooms, and that the Giant's Mask can be used only in the battle with Twinmold.

I'm using some common sense here saying the developers would never allow that because then the game would be ruined if you ran around as a giant just smashing over temples to go right to the boss and beat them >_>, it doesn't take much thinking to figure that out

Who says that the end result would be smashing temples if you were using the Giant's mask?

Gold Gauntlets, Link lifts Samus up by her grapple beam and smashes her in the ground back and forth like you see in old cartoons, and Link himself is no pushover when it comes to strength, he's been shown to move gaint stone blocks many times his size without any gauntlets, oh and FYI I have all the Metroid Prime games and have beat them so I know what Samus is capable of, and it is not enough to beat Link, as I've said before, Link would simply dodge the grapple beam with bunny hood

Link can lift Samus by the Grapple Beam? I wasn't aware Link could grab onto an electrolaser without harming his hands in the process. Also, moving stone isn't the same as lifting it. I can move a vehicle with ease. Lifting it up with my hands is a whole different story. As for having the Metroid trilogy, I'm sure you knew that Samus has augmented strength as well. See the Metroid Prime Instruction Booklet, page 16. But, who cares about the Bunny Hood? Being integrated with Chozo DNA, I'm sure Samus could move faster, you know, being a super athlete and all.

You play as Link in the **** game and control his actions meaning his choice of actions are infinitely varied, really WTF

Congratulations, then. We've got a variety of Links in this discussion. You say Link will do this, I say he will do that. Who is correct?

If you see a dangerous weapon coming at you, YOU MOVE, it's basic logic, if a tether beam is coming to grab you, you don't try and block, and why would Link just sit there standing still in the first place, in LOZ games, movement is constantly required to dodge attacks and counterattack, shielding options are used for projectiles not jiujitsu/tether moves

Here you go again, thinking for Link. This is probably what you would do, but you would do this, because you have the knowledge. It's like me saying that Batman could defeat Superman, because all Batman needs is Kryptonite. Do we even know if Batman knows Superman's weaknesses? If he doesn't, then we can throw out that argument. Does Batman know, but does not possess Kryptonite to defeat Superman? No? Then we can throw out that argument. Link sees an electric beam coming his way. Does he know that it can grab onto objects? I highly doubt it.

You play as Link in every Zelda game, difference? A body, Link is made of two parts, soul and body, just because one changes, doesn't mean it's not the same being, you play as LINK in zelda games, that is the character, it's simple

Rene Descartes once said that the soul sits in the brain. There are animals, especially reptiles like snakes and lizards that have two heads. These two heads cause the animal to die, because one wants food and it fights with the other head. Now, if there exists a soul, then where does the soul exist in a two-headed animal? The animal has one body, but the two heads share that one body. Are there two souls? Link of OoT is not Link of TP.

You are an interesting person, by the way. You claim there is no written evidence that the Fierce Deity mask and the Giant's mask cannot be used outside of boss battles, and yet, here you are claiming a reincarnated Link with the selfsame soul. The evidence is lacking. And if you really want to start with this, I suggest you read up about the Split Timeline Theory. That means two Ganondorfs, two different Links, and two different Zeldas.

Nope, some have different abilities, some can communicate via words/text and some can't, and not all DK's have the same abilities, see they're different just like Link lets split them too

I'm not impressed. An attack that was not present in a previous game does not make one character different. If that's the case, then Samus in Super Metroid is not Samus in Metroid or Metroid 2: Return of Samus, because she never wall-jumped in those games, nor did she use a technique called Crystal Flash. It's called retconning. This is especially in Metroid: Zero Mission where Samus can grab onto ledges and wall-jump. Your comparison is faulty, because Shigeru Miyamoto clearly said that Link is not the same Link for every Zelda game. Nice try.

Quit nitpicking one small detail, Link is Link is Link is Link, there's no way around it, he's different in some games, well so is DK, who cares HOW they are different,

FACT is you're splitting up one characters differences between games while leaving all the others intact, it's unfair and hypocritical

Link is different as a person in other games. Very few Zelda games is Link ever the same. Examples would be OoT and MM, or OoS and OoA. Where Link is not the selfsame person is OoT and WW and TP. DK, on the other hand, well...

Donkey Kong 64 (abbreviated as DK 64) is a platformer video game developed by Rare and published by Nintendo for the Nintendo 64. It was released in North America on November 22, 1999 and in Europe on December 6, 1999. The game is a follow up to the Donkey Kong Country trilogy on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.

The main character is Link, that's who you play as, new body, who cares it's just another difference you're nitpicking, Link is made of 2 parts body and soul, just because one changes doesn't mean he's a completely new being, you're still playing Link

Prove that Link is made up of a body and soul. Define "soul." Not everyone shares the same definition.

As for proving he's reincarnated, Wind Waker does that for you, Link appears in times of crisis, the hero chosen by the goddesses, so what happened in the legend? Link disappeared, the guy the goddesses chose as the hero was gone because Zelda sent him back in time, he didn't exist in that world anymore, so what other reason could it be that the goddesses couldn't have Link return? His soul didn't exist in that realm anymore, it's simple, Link reappears through time via his soul which is reincarnation.

The introduction simply retells what happened in OoT. If this happened in the WW Universe, then that Link must have existed, and I don't see what's stopping his "soul" from being reincarnated. His soul didn't exist anymore in that realm? Then the story of him cannot exist in that realm, either, since he as a person must have existed in that realm. Read the Split Timeline Theory.

In TP the spirit of Ordona says you have awakened as the Hero of Time and says that is his true form, what else do you need, it's the same **** person it's stated in text, different body but same being

Since when did "awakened as the Hero of Time" and being called the "true form" of the legend of the past mean "reincarnation"? That's a big leap.

And again, even if there is a soul moving from one body to another, it doesn't make Link the same person, and the huge timeline gap does not help. Like I said before, if you have Computer A, and you transfer all the data from that computer to Computer B, does this mean that Computer B is Computer A? No, not at all. The computers represent bodies, and the data represents the soul.

 

[Sasha]

mewtwo is psychic. He can stop bowser from moving using disable.

psychic hits everywhere anyway so unless bowser can stay gone hes gonna get hit.

plus m2 can read his mind and teleport with bowser and fire as he reappears.

There is no way bowser can **** m2.

also bowser can only do half the **** he does because of gadgets or power of the stars. Even with that power mario has been in the same games and ***** him.

Disable only disables certain moves, also only one move at a time (I think).

Mewtwo can teleport? The only teleport in pokemon is the one that teleports you away from battle...

And all the Mario thing proves is that anyone with decent ground speed and abnormal arm strength can beat Bowser in two games. His star rod apparently makes him **** a lot more.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hey DiddyKong guy look!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rGuIZGp4&feature=related

I posted this like 5 pages ago. Bowser teleporting is about 20 seconds into the video. Though Mewtwo is still >>>>> Bowser.

As far as Link is concerned, why don't we let him have access to all items in Zelda games with an Adult Link? (i.e. no Majora's Mask items or other Young Link items)

Okay I've seen it, and I'm not impressed. =/ It doesn't look like Bowser could do that teleporting over and over again, it looks kinda sluggish actually. He may dodge a few blasts, but deffinatly not all.

Bowser isn't a psychic like Mewtwo is, and if he teleports it gives Mewtwo the time to set up. Not to mention again... Aura Sphere never misses, it hits through Double Team most likely it hits through Bowser's low leveled teleporting. <_<

EDIT: Ohh, and since DK appears in Punch Out Wii, maybe he can get boxing gloves. It'd help him defend against Link's sword a bit better.

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

I'm still leaning towards Link will all the evidence. Eh, I'll let this run for a while longer.

 

[Akuma2120]

As far as Link is concerned, why don't we let him have access to all items in Zelda games with an Adult Link? (i.e. no Majora's Mask items or other Young Link items)

That is MUCH more acceptable than what some people here are demanding

I'm still leaning towards Link will all the evidence. Eh, I'll let this run for a while longer.

You, YOU MUST BE MORE SPECIFIC, are you having Link be one Link, or are you splitting him into separate games because if you are we need a poll

For future references, please break the quotations apart instead of writing within my quote box. It's very annoying to put up with, and it's lazy.

Fine but this is probably the last I'll reply because I'm simply not going to agree with you

I don't need to prove you wrong.

You need proof that what I said is wrong, so far you have none other than a lame excuse made up to keep the game balanced, you'll have to do better, my point stands, those masks are useable. You CAN use Fierce Deity outside Boss battles, but you have to do a glitch, but oh I guess that doesn't count to you because you gameplay balance really isn't good enough of a reason for you, so there Fierce Deity is possible outside Boss Rooms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A6g3COgzSo&feature=related Japanese Version doesn't require Hacks so there

Who says that the end result would be smashing temples if you were using the Giant's mask?

If you're a giant, you can smash buildings.... you're not serious are you, are you really being that ridiculous about this? How about we all just use common sense

Link can lift Samus by the Grapple Beam? I wasn't aware Link could grab onto an electrolaser without harming his hands in the process.

I'm saying if she latched herself onto his shield, he could just lift her up and smash her around by moving his shield with the gold gauntlets, is this really your level of intelligence? I'm not trying to be insulting but **** you don't seem to get anything, use common sense, so far you really haven't been.

Also, moving stone isn't the same as lifting it. I can move a vehicle with ease.

Vehicles have wheels dippy, giant stone blocks do not, did you take physics? Doesn't seem like you did, when you deadlift something you use all of your body's muscles just like you do with pushing such a block, granted that making it slide is a bit easier but his ability to do that at least shows he is very strong as I doubt any average human would be capable of such a feat.

But, who cares about the Bunny Hood? Being integrated with Chozo DNA, I'm sure Samus could move faster, you know, being a super athlete and all.

You claim that I have no in-game evidence to support the masks are useable outside Boss rooms, well look what you're doing right here, THE SAME ****ING THING, your such a hypocrite, there's no evidence she can do that right so I'll just dismiss that like you dismissed the mask idea, you just assume that's true because it would make sense, well so would the masks don't even try to split these two up.

Congratulations, then. We've got a variety of Links in this discussion. You say Link will do this, I say he will do that. Who is correct?

It can be either since Link's actions are based on the player's decisions, same as most video game characters, you don't look at what the character would do if they had a real-life personality for themselves, you look at what is POSSIBLE for them to do. Ever seen deadliest warrior? They simulate 1000 battles because they know there could be many decisions in a fight, but overall the person who has the best options would win.

Link sees an electric beam coming his way. Does he know that it can grab onto objects? I highly doubt it.

Read above post. That and if it's not disconnecting from Samus' arm like a laser, then it's obviously a grabbing mechanism, it's common sense, what are you going to try to evaluate Link's IQ now? He doesn't have one, he's a computer generated being, stop being so ridiculous and treating video game characters like real people

Rene Descartes once said that the soul sits in the brain.

No, the spirit is separate from the body and leaves it once a person has passed, don't try bringing in religious or philosophical differences that's a whole other debate quite off subject. Fact is that Link eventually dies, but his soul lives on and comes back in the new Link, don't even try.

You are an interesting person, by the way. You claim there is no written evidence that the Fierce Deity mask and the Giant's mask cannot be used outside of boss battles, and yet, here you are claiming a reincarnated Link with the selfsame soul. The evidence is lacking. And if you really want to start with this, I suggest you read up about the Split Timeline Theory. That means two Ganondorfs, two different Links, and two different Zeldas.

WW already proves that, you just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together, you could see the bigger picture if you stopped dismissing each piece as merely theory. Or maybe you don't have the intelligence to do so?

I'm not impressed. An attack that was not present in a previous game does not make one character different. If that's the case, then Samus in Super Metroid is not Samus in Metroid or Metroid 2: Return of Samus, because she never wall-jumped in those games, nor did she use a technique called Crystal Flash. It's called retconning. This is especially in Metroid: Zero Mission where Samus can grab onto ledges and wall-jump. Your comparison is faulty, because Shigeru Miyamoto clearly said that Link is not the same Link for every Zelda game. Nice try.

Just because a character's body has changed doesn't make him different, it's still Link, his soul is part of him and doesn't change, we've been over this, Link has a different body, that is what Miyamoto meant, but there's in-game evidence that Link still has the same soul

Prove that Link is made up of a body and soul. Define "soul." Not everyone shares the same definition.

You see souls of average random people that died in these games, meaning everyone has souls, meaning Link does too, meaning it's part of him, meaning when he dies his soul leaves his body, meaning... **** are you serious, my 12 year old brother can figure this stuff out

I don't see what's stopping his "soul" from being reincarnated. His soul didn't exist anymore in that realm? Then the story of him cannot exist in that realm, either, since he as a person must have existed in that realm.

Dippy, his soul DID exist in that realm, he performed actions, but then he left that realm via Zelda, meaning he's not there anymore meaning his soul can't be put in a new body if it isn't there... Really I need to know if you're joking or not

Since when did "awakened as the Hero of Time" and being called the "true form" of the legend of the past mean "reincarnation"? That's a big leap.

The spirit is saying that's who Link is, it's his true form, he IS the Hero of Time, how many times does the spirit need to say it before you get it? New body, same spirit(you see these all throughout games so what else could make him the same being), and apparently that qualification in LOZ that you are the hero of time, there, in-game proof


Either you're not too bright, or very stubborn, can't tell.

But you don't speak for everyone here, if we were using separate Links, the OP would've said so but he didn't, and if you do want to, we need a vote everytime Link has a matchup as to who is going to be used otherwise it's not a uniformed decision.

OP has the authority here he/she has to make a decision, it'll be a lot more work making each Link separate and it will be unfair and hypocritical, how about we keep things simple and fair here? Sounds good to me but apparently you don't like those things, so OP needs to make a decision, otherwise this is just a bunch of random nonsense, if that's the case then this is gay and I'm out, but I'll wait for the OP to decide

EDIT: Ohh, and since DK appears in Punch Out Wii, maybe he can get boxing gloves. It'd help him defend against Link's sword a bit better.

Nope we're going by original games here apparently, no Punch out Wii DK or SCII Link or anything like that

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm still leaning towards Link will all the evidence. Eh, I'll let this run for a while longer.

Let this run longer than Mewtwo vs Bowser please. <_< Which Mewtwo should've won, Bowser's teleporting straight out SUCKS. He can't use the Star Rod or other items, and his Mg.Def in SMRPG sucks while Mewtwo's Sp.Atk is monsterous. There's just enough evidence Mewtwo wins this...

What Link is this? I'm thinking DK could maybe beat TP Link, but not OoT Link. And before we end a match, shouldn't we first discuss how one would beat the other? Cause that's pretty important I guess... Not just "Link wins, dunno why" and things.