But then again, are you really sure that the Krazoa spirits are as strong as Ashera? Are you trully sure that they even created the world and those aren't just rumours made by one of the most technologicaly ******** races in the whole star fox universe?
At the end of SFA they put the
broken planet back together, so they are the real deal as far as world ****ing power goes.
A skilled enough racing car enthusiast can make amazingly fast and effective cars like noone else can. Does that mean that said man can beat another car enthuasiast who somehow also is a proffesional boxer?
Am I the only one who sees that it is silly to compare two things that do two different things to each other to try and disprove someone’s argument when my argument in the 1st place is that
they are two different things in “name only for the most part” that still do the same thing.
From what I have seen in the games, the Krazoa spirits can be taken out of their environment, defeated, controlled and used for evil purposes without much issues. The scales' army, an entire army consisting of a bunch of barbaric idiots that wield nothing but maces and swords, know nothing about technology and can't even speak properly, managed to defeat said gods easily and send the entire planet in disarray.
Scale’s Army was:
A. Given help from Andross because canon wise his spirit was behind the stuff, oh and as far as clubs and swords, they also had
jet bikes and machines powered by the same stuff Fox’s stuff uses, in fact it was their
new technology that they got access to “somehow” that allowed them to ****ing cause all of the game’s issues.
B. The Dinos speak just fine actually; it’s just that they have their own language and Fox (not them for some parts as Tricky shows when you meet him for the 1st time) just doesn’t know the language they speak which is why he has a translator on him for the start of the game. Personally I like the idea that the series actually took into consideration that there might be more than one universal language in it.
C. They didn’t beat the gods, they disturbed their resting place that they were there for a million years or something like that and unleashed Andross there, who was a strong enough psychic to the point where he was alive somehow still. That is what caused the spirits to end up leaving the area and being hidden by the
opposing side of Scales because if used wrong
their power could **** things up.
Really the only difference it seems between the two beings is that Ike’s god has had a more hands on approach with her creations where as the Krazoa spirits just want to “sleep as they do their job” because of the condition that the planet they made is in anyway because of a great calamity that ****ed it up.
And then you realize that, according to this video, she could have destroyed THE ENTIRE WORLD IF SHE WASN'T BOUND BY A MEASLY RULE.
Actually she did and it was only Yune having a different view from her that made her feel the world was worth something that saved it for the start of it. She couldn’t overcome Yune though because they were equal.
Comparing the Krazoa spirits to Ashera is like comparing a Toyota with a Ferrari. The Krazoa spirits are pathetic.
I think you are more along the lines of just underestimating them because you think Scales was the threat for that game and you seem to forget that the real threat was Andross actually when looking at the game, not Scales.
Andross was already a galaxy threat before he was killed the 1st time as you can see from Star Fox 64 and he was also the thing that caused the planet to be ****ed up anyway as this video shows at around 0:18 with the talking about the “great evil” that was unleashed in the place:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Z9g9MzYT8&feature=related
Yup, Someone with god powers or weapons blessed by a powerfull god could harm him. Sadly, no weapons or characters in smash reach that level of power.
Yeah, I disagree with that, and here is a small list:
-Mario characters are packing universe destroying powers and such in some way w/o factoring the other ones that are just around.
-Samus is the ultimate result from a race of beings that created a large amount of life.
-Pit takes on a being that took on and over threw “Athena”
-Kirby’s canon is neat, just saying.
-Falcon said **** you to his universe’s gods, and his canon is packing some neat things besides that in those cars.
-Mewtwo is a more powerful clone of a Universal Genesis pokemon because space happens to be talked about.
-Ness/Lucas is packing universe destroying/creating/changing power.
-Sonic has taken on god beings and won.
Even the master sword and the sword of sages that Ganondorf wields were created by the sages which can be killed fairly easily as the TP and OoT has shown us.
They didn’t make the master sword actually according to the canon.
Doesn't say anything about making her weaker.
“Weaker” in the concept that it
tires her out in order to use that stuff, as in she shows true signs of
fatigue with the stuff, which itself shows a limit for how much she can use it.
And, like I said earlier: mantle is just a skill.
It’s a skill to represent a certain blessing type of the gods.
As shown in Path of Radiance, the Black Knight is invincible no matter if he has the skill mantle or not, and can only be defeated by Ragnell.
Again, he pretty much has the skill of mantle even if it doesn’t say it on his screen:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/920189/42716
Black Knight: My armor is blessed by the goddess. Only weapons that are also
blessed can so much as scratch it.
His story
is the same as foes packing Mantle, who cares if the game forgot to put “it” on him? Maybe they didn’t want to give away a certain plot point? After all the BK is related to the true “big bad” of Ike’s games (Sephiran)
And guess what our skin, fur and ribcage are? Natural armour that protects us from our environment.
However there is a very large difference between us and them, what with the claws and such.
Second, simple. Laguz only have their skin and fur as protection, no armour at all. Yet, their bodies are blessed just fine just like armour and weapons.
Um, is it not just their claws and such for the final battles or something? (As in “natural” weapons, the game even points out that they are "equal" to weapons and such from the other race)
Do they get the "mantle" skill once yune blesses them as physical proof? No they, don't. Why don't they get it? Because it would make the player units broken.
How would it make them broken when the “final” areas all have “the potential” to have foes packing that stuff as well?
And it certainly would be easy to take off after that if they didn’t want to make the after game stuff super easy: notice the game has done it with the start of PoR with stuff like discipline?
The fact is they didn’t do it, and the game makes a clear difference between the blessings given to the characters, I see these types:
Mantel-as in the only this hurts you and such
Class promotion-as in a general power up
Weapons-making things go past mantel
Yune has proof of using two/three of them.
Why? Because the mantle skill still mostly remains as a way to make bosses more difficult in the game.
Right, how are they more difficult again when your team is packing a ton of unlimited use items made from the best weapons around if you are sane in using it?
In short: they do have the skill canonicaly, yet they don't have it gameplay-wise because that would make the game way to easy to finish.
Ah no, there really wouldn’t be much of a difference between the sides if both sides “had it max with all of them” like you are saying they are canon wise when you look at it.
And speaking of gameplay mechanics: the whole attacks divided by nine thing is nothing more than a gameplay mechanic.
Yeah, and things like HP and such are gameplay mechanics as well. So are you going to start huffing some BS like “Ike has unlimited HP” now because losing HP is in general a game mechanic because of that as well?
Not to mention that Begnion's occupation of Daein meant that all of the spoils of war were recovered by Begnion. Indeed, the ones that searched said castle to find said black knight were the soldiers from begnion.
Yet they didn’t think to report finding something like a magic suit of ****ing armor that would have come in handy when the people started to fight again like they do in that world, and I don’t think it would be that hard for someone to come in and steal the thing for the BK before Begnion’s occupation took it from their search (or just slap his soul into another suit of armor and recover it from that, both sides have “spies” you know.
And you disregarded what I said about his body staying behind. Only his SOUL and his ARMOUR were teleported to the castle, and upon his defeat only his SOUL returned. His armour was trapped there forever. And becaus eof the above reasons, he couldn't just recover it.
Um, I didn’t disregard that.
I clearly pointed out that the fact is his soul filled armor itself could have got out naturally w/o teleporting if there was no risk to the building falling on him with the armor having the blessing and if it is what you are saying it is. However, the game mechanics for mantle clearly disagree with that (because I’m sure getting buried alive would do more than a few hundred HP right?)
Because they are similar in name only. Their abilities are completely different.
How are their abilities completely different? The goddess of Ike’s canon created life and all that for one planet for sure, and the Krazoa spirits created life and brought stability to at least one planet for Fox’s canon.
Ask yourself this: there are 10 cows and 2 horses in a farm. If we call the cows "horses", then how many horses are there?
Actually you have the wrong analogy for what this is, again what you are doing is
only comparing two different things in name and saying they aren’t the same when in truth they are the same in “type” for what their biggest accomplishments are.
You are pretty much saying a “brown bear” isn’t a bear
at all just because it doesn’t look the same as “polar bear” or something like that.
Same issue as the Krazoa. Both are gods that created their worlds, but that doesn't mean that they are equaly strong or have the same damage potential.
How so? Last I checked “world creation” is pretty much the highest thing you can do on the list of powers as far as potential goes (it’s right under “mass species creation” really), besides “galaxy creation” and so on.
The chaos emeralds may represent chaos in sonic's world…they do not have the power to wipe out the world in an instant,
They do actually, how about that? I mean there power just have been used to rip up the world in Sonic Unleashed after all, and stuff like Chaos from SA1 certainly was going to say **** you to the world. They also have been use to beat a certain god being (said god was a being that ate “dimensions” for lunch according to Eggman).
Ike's sword beam comes with the weapon. It is not a skill that Ike learned to use or something.
It comes with a weapon that is blessed by a goddess, which is proof that not everything is turned off from weapons even.
And all of the mastery skills from fire emblem come naturaly because it's mostly just the character doing acrobatics or delivering a specialy powerfull attack. Link is trained with the sword but many times he requires to learn new skills that will let him use attacks other than slashing and jumping. TP, WW and MC come to mind.
So explain to me why Nihil doesn’t cancel weapon levels and make it so you can only use E rank swords? I mean weapon rank is just a way to explain how the users of said stuff have just been getting better with using said weapons you know so they should be safe to handle "better" ones.
I agree with the walljump.
You agree that it is taken out or what? Because if you think Samus would lose things like the wall jump I disagree with that.
Anyway, I agree with everything you said on the previous post about nihil, so I say that a better definiton for nihil: Nihil would negate skills that were learned by said characters, and mostly consist of using their basic attacks in special combinations that deal more damage.
Except again Nihil doesn’t negate things like weapon level, so if anything the only thing I would see it protecting Ike from is 2nd effects from moves such as for example from Pokemon "swagger’s" confusion side effect that it gives you from giving you a +2 attack. (Or getting paralyzed/burned/frozen from thunderbolt, flamethrower, ice beam, and such)
Which actually makes more sense because things like skill in Ike's FE games are really just a "side effect" of an attack in the 1st place.
So, what this means is that while the 2nd effects of attacks wouldn't be used on Ike (and is a lot easier to talk about), he still would be open to things like a "thunder wave."
No, it doesn't. If you got the secret ening between Ike and Soren, you should know that it is not a natural talent. Supposedly, only spirit charmers could use magic in FE, but guess what? Soren is no spirit charmer. He is a Branded, and yet, he can use use a forbidden ability when he shouldn't. What does this possibly mean? That all that charmer shiznit is nothing more than legends made up by the people in Tellius, just like how they made up that Yune was the devil itself.
Actually forming a pact with a spirit is only
one of the ways you could seriously buff your magic in Ike’s FE according to the game’s itself. So magic still seems to show up from the idea of natural talent or hard work (so you have no proof that it would shut off things like psychic powers/other magic).
I mean characters like Tormod and Calill don’t have one according to their canon and they both use magic.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/920189/47709
…
Calill: Well, there is a way to improve magical abilities beyond one's
essence, but... even that has limits. And a price.
…
Calill: Some would say so. Magic comes from these spirits-from their
interactions with the natural world. If you take that power into your body,
your magic will see a dramatic and powerful improvement. In plain language,
you turn your body into bait. You get better magic, and the spirit gets...you.
…
Tormod: But I want to be strong! I want-
Calill: You can still improve your magic without making such a bargain.
FE:RD clearly as the idea for the game as well still. After all, Pelleas has one and he is an important character because he is being lead into thinking he is what Soren really is by birthright:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/file/932999/53574
Pelleas: Oh! You didn't enter into the pact yourself?
Micaiah: No.
Pelleas: I see. So, it must have been the spirit who wished to make a pact with
you.
Micaiah: Pardon?
Pelleas: It's a very rare phenomenon among newborns. Usually it happens to
infants who have an exceptional talent for magic. You truly are amazing,
Micaiah.
And about the magic being used only by those with natural talent, look at this:
Yeah, FE8 isn’t in the same canon as Ike’s, Marth’s, or Roy’s games, and as far as magic goes even, there are differences between them I’ll admit. However, all of them share the same idea of needing potential if you are to be good and there can be different types from them as you can see from these various quotes:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/921183/36963
Saleh: You must pace yourself. Using too much magic can drain both body and
soul.
Saleh: You had a spark in your eyes. I knew that I saw an exceptional talent
for magic in those eyes.
Vanessa: My point is, we don't have enough mages in Frelia, so we're
counting on you. When I was growing up, I always wanted to be a pegasus
knight like my sister. I was also interested in magic, but I just didn't
have the talent.
Knoll: Hm... Well, I suppose you are right about that. Your magic stems from
faith in the unknowable, the divine presence. In contrast, dark magic stems
from knowledge, from understanding.
I assumed Fox would go with the Landmaster again.
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