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Sonic the Hedgehog; a 2nd series rep

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Thread for the discussion of an additional Sonic Character (other than Sonic himself) appearing in SSB4
Now that it is confirmed that Sonic himself is returning for Super Smash Bros for WiiU and Super Smash Bros for 3DS, it's time to consider whether or not he will be bringing other playable rodent friends into the fight. And if so which characters will he bring?
While oft criticized as bogging down the series, the colorful parade of Sonic characters runs the full gamut from iconic to bizarre and everything in between.
So, go ahead and discuss, theorise and argue!
The following list of potential candidates, which is by no means finished, is roughly ordered by how likely they are to be chosen as the '2nd sonic character' (clicking the character picture will take you a potential moveset for them, courtesy of the MakeYourMove contest);

2nd only to Sonic himself in terms of recognition and branding power, Tails is the curious little tagalong that everyone remembers from their youth. The longest lasting of all of Sonic's animal friends, and by far the most prolific in terms of game appearances. For many people, you can't mention Sonic, without also talking about Tails. Even in games where Sonic is the only playable character, Tails is always there with him to provide support, to help him with his mechanical knowledge, or just to be a friendly face.

As a playable character, Tails brings with him a similar set of abilities as sonic, super speed and the ability to curl into a ball. While the Super Spin Dash and the Spin Attack are clearly Sonic's domain, Tails has his own iconic moves; such as the twin tails from which he received his nickname. He can fly for short distances, and even airlift his friends about. He is also an accomplished mechanic and pilot, leveraging both talents in his most famous creation; the Tornado bi-plane.

As a anti-hero counterpart to Sonic, Shadow is a longstanding character who has managed to set himself apart from the blue blur in many ways. His popularity rivals that of Sonic in some circles, to the extent where he actually received his own game (an honor shared only with Tails and Knuckles). Shadow is consistantly and continuously returning in new Sonic games in order to challenge his spined rival, managing to overshadow even longstanding classic characters like Knuckles. His existance as an Assist Trophy in Brawl was proof enough of how highly Sega thought of him. The only question is, is Shadow still relevant TODAY?

As a playable character, Shadow has the unenviable benefit of being capable of performing anything and everything Sonic can do. From his speed, to his super spin dashes, Shadow even has a Super Form. But what really gives Shadow his potential as a character, is his bevvy of other moves and tricks. There's the obvious time freeze of the Chaos Control, along with the various energy blasts Shadow can shoot. Even the less popular aspects of Shadow, such as his Motorcycle, could make an appearance.

Considered the third pillar that is "Classic Sonic" protagonists. Being the third banana is symultaneously Knuckles biggest strength, and the only thing keeping him out of more games. When Sonic needs a friend, it's Tails. When Sonic needs two friends, it's Tails and Knuckles. Regardless, Knuckles' importance to the Sonic series cannot possibly be overstated. He was the foot in the door that allowed the series to graduate from the basic plots of "Robotnik is being bad, stop him Sonic!", and is one of the very few characters to have a real sense of depth/history, without jamming dialogue down your throat all the while. Knuckles remains a consistant fixture in Sonic games.

What could pave the way for a playable Knuckles in SSB4, is his sheer potential to be an outrageously fun character. The ability to Glide and Climb up walls is a given, and his brute strength mixed with his surprising speed would make him feel uniquely satisfying to clobber things with. His true potential however, lies in his ability to tunnel underground, either as a trick to hide, or a means of launching a surprise attack from under his opponent's feet.
Knuckles is the only likely (protagonist) character who wouldn't have a moveset heavily based on Sonic's. Variety is good, and Knuckles can provide it.

A real contender for the position of "Sonic's Rival", at least when it comes to Sonic games with a classic tint to them, Metal Sonic is a Robotic counterpart to his fleshy nemesis. Appearing in one form or another in most of the Classic era Sonic titles, Sonic Heroes, and making a resurgence with the release of Sonic 4 Episode II, Metal Sonic is an antagonist that has endured almost as long as Eggman himself. What really hinders Metal Sonic's chances at securing the coveted 2nd rep slot, is the general aprehension that Metal would end up as little more than a cloned moveset of Sonic's. Unlike other candidates, "Sonic" is part of Metal's name, and thus the negative stigma of being a clone set is unavoidable, regardless of what the moveset itself turns out to be like.

Like Shadow, Metal Sonic can perform and even outperform Sonic in almost every aspect. His mechanical frame gives him heightened endurance, along with the ability to perform attacks that no other character has the physiology to even attempt. The ability to fly, throw up a electric shield whilst moving, among other tricks, gives him a bit of an edge over the more limited characters.

Almost in spite of his status as the series' primary and iconic antagonist (almost on par with such favourites as Bowser) Eggman has very rarely been a playable character even within the Sonic series. None-the-less, as the main bad guy in the Sonic canon, Eggman is a familiar face to not only classic Robotnik fans, but younger players too.

As a natural born coward, Eggman would never dream of fighting without superior tech on his side. Almost always seen piloting a robotic machination of some sort, Eggman has given the world some of the most memorable and iconic boss battles and attacks ever made. To list them would likely just result in a list of every single Eggman battle ever.
In SSB4 Eggman's cunning ineptitude could certainly work as a foil to Bowser's feral avarice, making for a villainous team-up that the world would throw its money at to see happen.


Certainly not a first choice for popularity, nor even relevance. Blaze stands however, as one of the precious few popular Sonic characters to originate on a Nintendo Platform, and represents the ongoing Nintendo Handheld Dimps era of Sonic as a whole. Like Shadow, Blaze exists as a counterpart to Sonic, albeit one that doesn't immediately oppose him. She cameos fairly regularly in the Sonic series, which is astonishing given the fact she was written out of the Sonic universe, and technically shouldn't even be in this dimension. Naturally, if Sega feels like pushing a female Sonic character into the next Smash Bros, Blaze is more than certainly their best choice.

In terms of potential as a playable character, Blaze is pretty close to Sonic ability-wise. She cannot spin dash, nor curl into a ball in general, but has equivilent substitutes for those abilities. Blaze inherently uses and manipulates the element of fire, giving her attacks a burning edge. Blaze has consistantly been demonstrated as being a more style orientated aerial version of Sonic, which would feel at home in the general high-flying nature of Smash Bros fights.


Extra: Possible Stages
Very likely to return as one of the next Smash Bros' "past stages". Green Hill Zone is so very iconic that it almost certainly will be a stage in one form or another

A modernized look Green Hill Zone. This stage has been confirmed to appear in Super Smash Bros for WiiU, and it is based on Sonic Lost World's aesthetic. The stage has the series' iconic curved surfaces, along with flatter platforms running above the stage
Similar in style to Green Hill zone, but with a strong theme of water, the Aquatic Ruin Zone is memorable for its winding paths, waterfalls, and log bridges. It has been heavily referenced in Sonic 4 Episode II, and has just enough in common with Green Hill zone to feel like a quintessential "Sonic" stage.

An iconic archetype of stage that is only slightly less well known than Green Hill. Its bright neon lights and inviting, layered architecture was a memorable time waster for many a player back in the day. The Casino stages are also the most prominent in terms of utilising gimmicks and entertaining features, a strong hallmark of the Sonic series.

The most striking and memorable stage from the entire Sonic3&Knuckles saga. Set high in the sky, among some gorgeous and complex scenery, Sky Sanctuary is ripe for a "travelling platform" stage, in the same vein as Delfino Plaza.
The "Green Hill Zone" of the post-classic era of Sonic. The beach locale, and iconic scenery (killer whale cameo!) can cover a wide variety of stage types, but work especially well for gentle inclines and long, flat stretches. Definitely the type of stage where a Sonic character could stretch his legs.

The steep roads are undoubtedly a problem for a more lean-minded Smash Bros stage, but City Escape's memorability within the Sonic series is uncontestable. A stunning coastal city, and the first city stage to breathe true life and charisma into its streets.


A stage from the Nintendo exclusive "Sonic Colors", and more than capable of pulling double duty as both a Green Hill zone, and a Scrap Brain zone type of stage symultaneously. The unique juxtaposition of these two main themes of the Sonic franchise, makes a Planet Wisp stage an attractive prospect.
 

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I think Eggman would be the best choice...he's different enough from the other Sonic candidates to have a very unique feel to him. i don't think we've even had a character that would actually play like him...

also he's been there from the start, which is a massive perk.
 

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I disagree. Unless there have been any more recent polls from the one I've seen, the popularity goes.

Sonic
Shadow
Tails

Also Shadow actually got Assist Trophy status, something Tails did not.
 

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I disagree. Unless there have been any more recent polls from the one I've seen, the popularity goes.

Sonic
Shadow
Tails

Also Shadow actually got Assist Trophy status, something Tails did not.
Tails does not have a hatebase to rival Krystal's.

I believe Shadow got the trophy because of laziness on Sakurai's part. He functioned the same as something already in the game, the timer item. Tails would require more effort.

I'd love a second Sonic rep, unlikely as it is. Knuckles and Robotnik (Not this "Eggman" fellow) would be vastly preferred, but I'll take the inevitable Tails. Just no emohog, for the love of god.

Fantastic OP, Junahu. Very positive and neutral while remaining realistic.

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Knuckles, Eggman, Tails in that order. No one else would even be good.
I second that. Shadow's design is also similar to Sonic, and I guess his moveset would be similar too. Other Sonic characters aren't quite as popular.
 

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Tails does not have a hatebase to rival Krystal's.

I believe Shadow got the trophy because of laziness on Sakurai's part. He functioned the same as something already in the game, the timer item. Tails would require more effort.

I'd love a second Sonic rep, unlikely as it is. Knuckles and Robotnik (Not this "Eggman" fellow) would be vastly preferred, but I'll take the inevitable Tails. Just no emohog, for the love of god.

Fantastic OP, Junahu. Very positive and neutral while remaining realistic.

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This is true and from here on arguing further wouldn't get us anywhere don't you think? Haha, I know my support for Shadow probably will end up being in vein but I'll take the things that he has over the others.

Regarding hatebases do you mean for the character design or voice actors :p

How they've ruined Shadow after SA2...
 

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I'm not particularly one to root for a 2nd 3rd part representative...


But I'd be lying to you AND myself if I said I wouldn't be excited to see another Sonic character in. (I rather have a complete smash-like game of Sonic & SEGA characters)

But ok, in the order I'd like to see them.

-Tails
-Knuckles
-Eggman
-Amy
-Metal Sonic
-Shadow
 

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How about a second Sega rep? Not a Sonic rep but a Sega one?

From these characters; it would be between Knuckles and Tails.

Kunckles seems the only main Sonic character who actually seems who can fight; while Tails is Sonic's Luigi and I too wish to see Tails VS Luigi in the game.

Eggman also seems worthy as enemies like Bowser and Ganondorf are in the game; and while I dislike Amy Rose; she seems good with her hammer; but you picked Blaze over her.
 

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How about a second Sega rep? Not a Sonic rep but a Sega one?

From these characters; it would be between Knuckles and Tails.

Kunckles seems the only main Sonic character who actually seems who can fight; while Tails is Sonic's Luigi and I too wish to see Tails VS Luigi in the game.

Eggman also seems worthy as enemies like Bowser and Ganondorf are in the game; and while I dislike Amy Rose; she seems good with her hammer; but you picked Blaze over her.
If there was a second SEGA rep...

I'd be torn between Shinobi's Joe Musashi, and Vectorman. My two favorite SEGA franchises... There's also Streets of Rage, but Vectorman and Joe would be much more unique, I believe.
 

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Sorry I forgot to mention like in my reply to the Bandai Namco thread; is that maybe there should be a thread or area for other Sega characters. As this thread is already for "Sonic only" characters.

Meanwhile; I would say Tyris Flare from Golden Axe or Blaze from Streets of Rage would be great in order to have more female characters (but I don't want new Tyris in it, she was terrible looking).

Jack from MadWorld would be great specially if Travis Touchdown made it to be game; but might seem less likely. Just like Travis, he would be tonned down.

Vectorman is also cool as well Comix Zone guy. And Toe Jam & Earl would make a cool team.
 

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As of now, the relevance of characters to the series goes from Sonic to

Eggman
Tails
Metal Sonic
Amy
Shadow
Knuckles
Blaze
Silver

Something along those lines. The Sonic CD port in late 2011 did a ton to help put Metal Sonic up on the forefront, and he's recently had a major role in Sonic 4 Episode 2, and even got his own game of sorts with Episode Metal. If the spotlight continues to shine on him, he could be added onto Smash 4, from as minor as a skin for Sonic to a full fledged character.

But I can only see Tails being programmed as a fighter at the moment.
 

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As of now, the relevance of characters to the series goes from Sonic to

Eggman
Tails
Metal Sonic
Amy
Shadow
Knuckles
Blaze
Silver

Something along those lines. The Sonic CD port in late 2011 did a ton to help put Metal Sonic up on the forefront, and he's recently had a major role in Sonic 4 Episode 2, and even got his own game of sorts with Episode Metal. If the spotlight continues to shine on him, he could be added onto Smash 4, from as minor as a skin for Sonic to a full fledged character.

But I can only see Tails being programmed as a fighter at the moment.
Not gonna lie, a Metal Sonic with a full fledged moveset would be awesome.

But if he's in as a Sonic reskin, I'm not complaining.


I wonder if the colors for Sonic will be obscenely plain again... as in differently shaded blue.
 
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Out of these listed, I can only NOT see Blaze making the cut. Not that I'm saying the other 4 all at once.

Shadow does have a bit of an upper hand with sharing a similar model to Sonic, being an Assist Trophy, and (by the poll on Sonic Channel years ago; they should probably make a new one soon) is the 2nd most popular character after Sonic himself. Despite this, Shadow has started to fade out into the series in terms of importance and is not being whor-ed out as much as he was before. Brawl would've probably been Shadow's best shot at getting in.

However, Tails being the primary sidekick, and the character Sega is currently whor-ing out is no slouch. And with the popular Sonic and Tails in Melee hoax, it could very well end up being made true for Smash 4, not unlike how Gouken was made in response to the Sheng Long hoaxes for Street Fighter. Tails is also the 3rd most popular character after Sonic and Shadow in the poll I mentioned.

Knuckles, honestly has much against him currently. I mean, in the past, he sarpassed Tails in my viewpoint, with having billing in a game before Tails, as well as having his own game before Tails (I think. Don't quote me on this), as well as having special features made with Sonic & Knuckles to have him in Sonic 2 as well as Sonic 3, and was PLANNED for Sonic 1 with the Lock-On (Yes, before Tails) before the problem with palettes came up. However, after Sonic Adventure 2, Knuckles primary role for games that he was in was just to complete the original team of three, save for the Rivals games (he had some importance in those), or just BE there. There is a little bit of hope with what Brotherhood has revealed regarding the Echidnas, that Sega tries to go the Shadow route with Knuckles and give him his own game that explains much of his past to answer questions like "Why is he the last Echidna of his tribe?" and possibly return Super Knuckles into spotlight.
This would be Knuckles only chance if that happened, unless he becomes more important otherwise.

Eggman, while the least likely to be made a Sonic clone, and also would be the most badass one to have with being Smash's first mech-fighter, is a bit of a touchy issue. Sure, Eggman has the most history within the series aside from Sonic himself, and is unlike other villains in that he isn't just the final boss, but appears almost all the time to try to take you down, but at the same time, could easily end up as a boss instead. Now, that would suit Eggman, but I'm sure that there are many that would rather have matches of Nintendo's greatest villains and Eggman duking it out.

And then there's the strong possibility that Sonic remains alone due to being a "guest".

That's my take.
 

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Coding in Sonic 4 Episode 2 has data files for Super Emeralds and the Master Emerald, so Sonic 4 Episode 3, if it comes out, will surely have Knuckles in a major role, if not a playable character. From there, if SEGA decides to keep momentum and give Knuckles time in the sun, he could rise up in relevancy to the series, and as such be considered for Smash 4 if there's space open for him.
 
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Coding in Sonic 4 Episode 2 has data files for Super Emeralds and the Master Emerald, so Sonic 4 Episode 3, if it comes out, will surely have Knuckles in a major role, if not a playable character. From there, if SEGA decides to keep momentum and give Knuckles time in the sun, he could rise up in relevancy to the series, and as such be considered for Smash 4 if there's space open for him.
Wait a minute. The Super Emeralds are coded?
So...Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles (and Super Tails) will be coming back....? :bee:
 

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I am 100% against a second Sonic character. Sure, Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow would fit into the Smash world but my question for everyone is this:

Why does Sonic get the privilege to have two characters (Sonic and ?) representing them when 3rd party slots are a precious commodity. Especially when there are other companies that should be represented in Smash (i.e. Capcom, Ubisoft, SNK, Squaresoft, Mistwalker, Tecmo, or even Rare if they can manage it).

What I am trying to say that there aren't many 3rd party character slots and those slots should go to different companies that offer something to the Smash franchise. I love the fact that Sonic was in Smash because he was the video game rival to Mario for more than a decade. It was always Mario vs Sonic until the Console Wars between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft started. Outside of the Olympics games, Brawl was where the two could fight and decide the winner.

My question is: what relevance does any other Sonic character have in the Smash/Nintendo universe and why should they get a 3rd party character slot rather than a newcomer from a different company? What relevance does Eggman and Tail have within Nintendo's history?

There is none. Sonic does because of his rivalry with Nintendo but, within Nintendo's history, the other characters had little to no relationship with Nintendo besides being featured in the Sonic games.

That is just my thoughts. If they add a 2nd Sonic character, I won't be mad. However, I will be disappointed that the Sonic franchise got a 2nd rap when a more fresh and new franchise won't have that shot of being in Smash 4.
 
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Even if Sonic doesn't get a 2nd character, those "potential" companies still have hurdles to cross.

Especially when you factor in the fact that for starters, the companies are actually going to want their characters in. Very few companies apparently have shown interest in Brawl, and even if they did, they apparently didn't want it bad enough to do something about it like Kojima did for Snake.
Hell, it took Sonic being the most wanted character for Brawl for him to get in. Sonic got lucky; had that not been the case, Snake would've remained the only 3rd Party.
Now you may be asking, what about Mega Man? Well, yes, Inafune would've liked to see Mega Man in Brawl, but he was foolishly waiting for Sakurai to contact him. If Sonic didn't make the cut, Mega Man wouldn't have for the same problem as what prevented him already; Inafune didn't put in the effort to do it.

So what does that mean for now? Unless a 3rd Party is heavily demanded (I'm talking Sonic levels; Mega Man hasn't reached that threshold yet) or is wanted enough by their company to the point that they will put in the effort to convince Sakurai to include them, they still they have a diminished shot, with or without a 2nd Metal Gear or Sonic character.
 

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I am 100% against a second Sonic character. Sure, Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow would fit into the Smash world but my question for everyone is this:

Why does Sonic get the privilege to have two characters (Sonic and ?) representing them when 3rd party slots are a precious commodity. Especially when there are other companies that should be represented in Smash (i.e. Capcom, Ubisoft, SNK, Squaresoft, Mistwalker, Tecmo, or even Rare if they can manage it).

What I am trying to say that there aren't many 3rd party character slots and those slots should go to different companies that offer something to the Smash franchise. I love the fact that Sonic was in Smash because he was the video game rival to Mario for more than a decade. It was always Mario vs Sonic until the Console Wars between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft started. Outside of the Olympics games, Brawl was where the two could fight and decide the winner.

My question is: what relevance does any other Sonic character have in the Smash/Nintendo universe and why should they get a 3rd party character slot rather than a newcomer from a different company? What relevance does Eggman and Tail have within Nintendo's history?

There is none. Sonic does because of his rivalry with Nintendo but, within Nintendo's history, the other characters had little to no relationship with Nintendo besides being featured in the Sonic games.

That is just my thoughts. If they add a 2nd Sonic character, I won't be mad. However, I will be disappointed that the Sonic franchise got a 2nd rap when a more fresh and new franchise won't have that shot of being in Smash 4.

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3rd party slots being limited is related to the 3rd party companies themselves, and how easy they make the development process for adding their characters. Sega and Konami have both had experience with this from Brawl (and sega especially has a much better track record now of working with Nintendo), and are in a much better position to expedite the process. They can very likely add more characters now, without negatively impacting on development time, or availabilty for other 3rd party reps.

Or at least that's how I feel about it.
 

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3rd party slots being limited is related to the 3rd party companies themselves

Don't forget BUDGETS. Nintendo can't go wasting too much of the budget to get licences of too many 3rd party characters. (Or however that works)

At least I felt like Sakurai made it clear that 3rd party characters were much more trouble than they were worth. Don't remember where I saw that interview..
 

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Don't forget BUDGETS. Nintendo can't go wasting too much of the budget to get licences of too many 3rd party characters. (Or however that works)

At least I felt like Sakurai made it clear that 3rd party characters were much more trouble than they were worth. Don't remember where I saw that interview..
Plus he also mentioned that not everybody wants third party characters in Smash and would rather that the series stayed mostly a Nintendo all stars series. Sakurai can't just go and add tons of Third Party characters in the games willy nilly just like that.

I would much rather have that every third party company gets at least 1 character in the games and no more than that.

The only third party character I want is Professor Layton. And I don't like the Sonic series enough to want to see more characters from those series and would rather not see that happening either.

Smash should stay a Nintendo All-Stars series. Yes add a few guest characters here and there but don't overdo it.
 

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How about a second Sega rep? Not a Sonic rep but a Sega one?

From these characters; it would be between Knuckles and Tails.

Kunckles seems the only main Sonic character who actually seems who can fight; while Tails is Sonic's Luigi and I too wish to see Tails VS Luigi in the game.

Eggman also seems worthy as enemies like Bowser and Ganondorf are in the game; and while I dislike Amy Rose; she seems good with her hammer; but you picked Blaze over her.
Second Sega rep? Personally I would go with Shion. I loved Wonder Boy in Monster World. But for second Sonic rep, I would rather go with either Tails or Knuckles. I liked the old Sonic games on the Genesis better than most of the newer Sonic games anyway.
 
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There is to note though, that Mario and Sonic have their own series together that sells like hotcakes, so until that gravy train derails (Expect another Winter session before the next one starts in real life), a 2nd Sonic character wouldn't be too farfetched.

And if we want to overlook things, Luigi's rival is Shadow. :p
 

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Junahu, please tell me how Metal Sonic is a more likely Sonic character choice than Robotnik, or put him below him.

In any case, yes, Sonic will never get a second Sonic character, we know. This is more a fantasy thread than anything else. Why? Because putting in Sonic already gets the sales boost to the game, adding in any further characters serves as advertising for another company. More people will not purchase the game just because Tails is in too. Shadow in particular could even decrease sales (Not visibly, of course, but he'd be heavily scorned).
 

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I admit that I'm not particularly attached to Metal Sonic as a character. But it's my inner pessimist that placed him halfway up the list. The prospect of adding an easily cloned version of Sonic, that also represents robotnik by the virtue of being a robot, feels likely to me.
Though really it's a tentative list, and I do plan on shifting characters around based on any arguements for or against that other people bring up
 
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Junahu, please tell me how Metal Sonic is a more likely Sonic character choice than Robotnik, or put him below him.

In any case, yes, Sonic will never get a second Sonic character, we know. This is more a fantasy thread than anything else. Why? Because putting in Sonic already gets the sales boost to the game, adding in any further characters serves as advertising for another company. More people will not purchase the game just because Tails is in too. Shadow in particular could even decrease sales (Not visibly, of course, but he'd be heavily scorned).
Actually, with the number of raging Shadow fanboys doubled with the fact that Shadow is the second most popular character (as of a somewhat outdated poll), I don't think Shadow would decrease sales too terribly much.
 

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I don't know why so many people think Shadow would become a Sonic clone. There were plenty of unused ideas for Sonic and many attributes unique to Shadow (bouncing, rail grinding, Shadow's guns, fire somersault, ect.). With minor revamping of Sonic's moveset, something not unheard of, Shadow could become a distinct, fun character.

Seeing previous arguments about why another Sonic character being added is unlikely, I do tend to agree, but I can still hope. I can imagine movesets that would make Shadow and Knuckles great additions, and I'm sure someone could scrap something together for Tails that would make him fun as well.
 
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The way I see it, if Sonic 4 Episode 3 (if it comes out) puts Knuckles and the Super Emeralds back in spotlight, he's got the highest chances of making the cut.
With (hopefully) Hyper Knuckles (not Super) being his Final Smash.
 

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I don't know why so many people think Shadow would become a Sonic clone. There were plenty of unused ideas for Sonic and many attributes unique to Shadow (bouncing, rail grinding, Shadow's guns, fire somersault, ect.). With minor revamping of Sonic's moveset, something not unheard of, Shadow could become a distinct, fun character.

Seeing previous arguments about why another Sonic character being added is unlikely, I do tend to agree, but I can still hope. I can imagine movesets that would make Shadow and Knuckles great additions, and I'm sure someone could scrap something together for Tails that would make him fun as well.
Shadow being a clone of Sonic is exactly what he is meant to be in the Sonic games. For example, he can move fast, he has a spin dash, and a homing attack. So it would make the most sense for Sakurai to make him a clone. Guns would probably be the most unique part of his moveset though.
 

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Shadow being a clone of Sonic is exactly what he is meant to be in the Sonic games. For example, he can move fast, he has a spin dash, and a homing attack. So it would make the most sense for Sakurai to make him a clone. Guns would probably be the most unique part of his moveset though.
Sakurai made a specific point of not including any actual -guns- in Snake's moveset to avoid violence, opting for explosives instead. Shadow doesn't strike me as the type to use rocket launchers and such, and I don't know why he'd use a vehicle when he can run faster on foot. Yes, he used them in his titular game none the less, but it doesn't seem like much of a practical addition to a fighting game moveset when it's so clearly outclassed.
 

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Shadow used a varied assortment of weapons in his game, from the standard guns, to Rocket launchers and Heal Cannons, to Katanas and even street signs. If they REALLY want to take something from that game that is not Chaos Spear and use it as a move for Shadow, then the Katana and Rocket launcher would be a "fit."
 

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Aughhhhhhhhhhh, don't advertise bad games. I'm sure Shadow could be fine with a moveset that doesn't involve using that god forsaken game for references.
 

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Aughhhhhhhhhhh, don't advertise bad games. I'm sure Shadow could be fine with a moveset that doesn't involve using that god forsaken game for references.
I also was thinking that they wouldn't include guns in shadows moveset due to how much hate the game gets
 

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@ shinhed-echi
Trust me, it doesn't take long to get 3rd party characters in, after you get the money split business down. Heck, getting Game Arts (that slightly above average developer you!) as the primary developer of Brawl took more "legal work," more time, and more money than getting Sonic and Brawl.
I am 100% against a second Sonic character. Sure, Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow would fit into the Smash world but my question for everyone is this:

Why does Sonic get the privilege to have two characters (Sonic and ?) representing them when 3rd party slots are a precious commodity. Especially when there are other companies that should be represented in Smash (i.e. Capcom, Ubisoft, SNK, Squaresoft, Mistwalker, Tecmo, or even Rare if they can manage it).
Sonic is bigger than any of the franchises of those companies you listed. That is of course, minus Square Enix, who's 2 biggest series (Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy) have had (historically) most of their games come out on Sony systems (and have no staple main characters).
Other reasons (than Sonic is bigger than those other franchises):
1. Other Sonic characters like Tails and Knuckles have more personality than most 3rd party sidekick characters. They are also constantly reappearing characters, unlike most sidekicks.
2. The Sonic & Mario Olympics games sell like crazy.
3. The Sonic & Mario at the Olympics series kinda does develop a relationship between various Sonic and Mario characters (most noticeably Tails and Luigi).
4. The EGM April Fool's Joke included Sonic and Tails, and that's where a lot of the desire for the 2 in smash bros. stems from. ;)
 
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