Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

[MJG]

What is the break down on TL and Diddy's winnings?

 

[John12346]

Uh, LOL no, Amateur Bracket character usage still includes all of the players who were in pools. If Ripple counted Amateur Bracket in addition to everyone who entered the tournament, that means he entered all of the people who entered Amateur Bracket twice, which is wrong, of course.

Diddy Kong:

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ADHD 956.7
Gnes 643.2
BigLou 283.4
Lie 281.5
Felix 217.5
Count 190
AlphaZealot 122.4
UltimateRazer 102
Sorto 100
Lee 84
Judge 80
Jtails 79
Mampam 76.5
Tin Man 76
Player-1 61.6
Ninjalink 61
Swordgard 58
Nuke 50
Lee Martin 48
Infinity 40.8
Firefly 39
Abscent 37.1
radiX 36
GDX 30
Pelca 25.5
Crazy 25
Magik 18
TV 17.6
Alphicans 10
KiraFlax 10
KMAG 10
Andilex 9
Dekillsage 8.5

Toon Link:

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Ensis 339.85
Hyro 210
Jerm 149.8
ADHD 135
Izumi 112
Kingtoon 80
Ice 47.5
Chris Lumbus 18

 

[Conviction]

I've been hearing a lot Fox names recently, can I see the Fox breakdown please?

 

[SN Viper]

amateur bracket is still the standard meta game and players are playing for money.

Although I can see why you would not count it.

 

[stingers]

you should just leave the breakdown for every character on the OP or something, so people will stop asking.

 

[Conviction]

Idk if I'm correct about it when I say this because this me saying it from the outside?

But constantly updating the breakdown would be mad work to do. Right?

 

[stingers]

he has to constantly update it for his personal files anyway, it would just be a simple c+p after that afaik

 

[John12346]

Updating it will be hard because I'd have to copy and paste players for each character separately. In other words, ~37 copy pastes every week. Not fun.

Fox:

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Trump 174.5
Atomsk 75
H1N1 25
Guard 25
Trumptight 25
Nakat 24
MegaFox 23
Talon 21
Duff0 14
Zeton 12.8
KMAG 10
Mav 9.5
Pelca 9.2
Trevonte 8.5
Yoshiken 4.5

 

[SN Viper]

trump and trumptight are more then likely the same FL fox player.

 

[John12346]

Oh great, even LESS Fox players placing in the money, lolz

Anyway, I'll integrate them together, then.

 

[san.]

Kingtoon = Chris Lumbus I believe.

Not really surprised by the weight of secondaries for some characters.

 

[Thebest1pj]

Uh, LOL no, Amateur Bracket character usage still includes all of the players who were in pools. If Ripple counted Amateur Bracket in addition to everyone who entered the tournament, that means he entered all of the people who entered Amateur Bracket twice, which is wrong, of course.

Diddy Kong:

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ADHD 956.7
Gnes 643.2
BigLou 283.4
Lie 281.5
Felix 217.5
Count 190
AlphaZealot 122.4
UltimateRazer 102
Sorto 100
Lee 84
Judge 80
Jtails 79
Mampam 76.5
Tin Man 76
Player-1 61.6
Ninjalink 61
Swordgard 58
Nuke 50
Lee Martin 48
Infinity 40.8
Firefly 39
Abscent 37.1
radiX 36
GDX 30
Pelca 25.5
Crazy 25
Magik 18
TV 17.6
Alphicans 10
KiraFlax 10
KMAG 10
Andilex 9
Dekillsage 8.5

Toon Link:

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Ensis 339.85
Hyro 210
Jerm 149.8
ADHD 135
Izumi 112
Kingtoon 80
Ice 47.5
Chris Lumbus 18

How are adhd,izumi and ice on there but not me?

and why is kt on there twice as chris lumbus.

 

[John12346]

I dunno. Link me to the tourney you've won and I'll see what's up.

Also I already fixed the Kingtoon/Chris Lumbus business.

 

[Atomsk_92]

Lol @ me being under random *** characters

 

[Fuujin]

atomski you quit wat are you doing here

 

[BlueBomberXTJ]

Zss breakdown please?

 

[Chuee]

Oh great, even LESS Fox players placing in the money, lolz

Anyway, I'll integrate them together, then.

Fox would probably be higher if WC reported their tourneys here :/

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Fox would probably be higher if WC reported their tourneys here :/

That's their own fault then. If the Fox main(s) over there want people to know how well Fox can actually do, they should record the results. Otherwise very few people from outside of WC will know about them. >_> Kinda hard to use what we don't know.

 

[John12346]

Zero Suit Samus

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Y.b.M. 239.2
MeroKnight 145
UltimateRazer 102
Nick Riddle 70.9
Shlike 63
DRN 54.1
PatG 45
Mink 40.3
DJ Falco 37.5
Dtorr 28.5
Dakpo 26
Snakeee 16
D-Torr 10
Sassy 2.5

 

[Thebest1pj]

lmao razer at the top.

 

[Chuee]

I think he only won one set with ZSS ._.

 

[Conviction]

I would talk to TKD to post his results because last weekend he won 3 tournies but idk how to contact him anymore. My next-to-kin barely gets on AIM anymore.

 

[John12346]

Keep in mind that, when I actually get around to interpreting the breakdowns of the data, I only intend to use the number of different players who placed in the money for a given character.

The money amounts are there just so you guys can get hyped or something, lol. I'm not exactly sure what I can do with that part of the data that I haven't already.

 

[Zajice]

Just loling at the title.

 

[MK26]

zelda breakdown plz



suggestion to john#: maybe have a column comparing money inputted (ie number of entrants for each character * $10) to winnings?

A column for Winnings/(Entrants*10) would show that for every dollar put into playing a character, one will get on average $x out...between, say, $.90 and $1.10 is neutral/borderline, below that is weak/unviable and above is strong/viable

you could call it a viability index or something

 

[John12346]

Zelda

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Christian 100
Curlz 33
Jerm 17

Also, I don't quite understand what you're asking me to do... rephrase it?

^___ ^;

 

[dainbramage]

I think he means this:

Take the amount of money mains put in to a tourney. So [# of mains in tourney]*[entry fee]. Then compare that to the amount of money those mains have won.

 

[MK26]

what mr. bramage said

mk calculation in excelese would be =d3/(b3*10)
and comes out to 1.719
so for every dollar mk mains put into pots they get $1.72 back

x>1.1 is considered a net gain to play this character on average
1.1>=x>=.9 is a net neutral
.9>x is a net loss

or you can use other numbers

 

[John12346]

I can't exactly do that. Keep in mind that tournament entry fees can vary. The most common examples are $5 and $10, but there are some tournaments that have entry fees of $3, and nationals tend to have really large entry fees, such as $15 or $20.

I could always use "total pot/total number of characters used" to get an "average entry fee," but that would only work if and only if everyone in the Smash community only used ONE character per tournament, which isn't the case.

There tends to be more $5 and $3 tournaments than there are 15 dollar nationals, so we're gonna want to go with $9 average entry, if I just had to ballpark guess it.

 

[Deleted member]

Wolf breakdown, please. ^_^

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

Can you please do a Pit breakdown too?

 

[John12346]

Wolf

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Kain 737.5
Seagull 141
Christian 100
Pane 75
Holms 25.6

Pit

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Koolaid 103.8
Krystedez 78
KiraFlax 68

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Okay, one at a time, here's Column F divided by (Column B * 9). The reason why column F is used is due to the fact there's no splitting involved with Ripple's data, so it's only appropriate I do the same with my data, so it matches up.

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Meta-Knight 2.769987849
Snake 2.82605858
Diddy Kong 1.846072797
Falco 1.421221696
Wario 2.193546241
Marth 1.197597598
Ice Climbers 3.779583333
Olimar 1.12587963
Pikachu 1.207317073
King Dedede 1.979266896
Mr. Game and Watch 0.761239316
Lucario 0.829404762
Zero Suit Samus 0.879227053
Toon Link 1.135117227
Kirby 0.354385965
Fox 0.595647059
R.O.B. 0.969397363
Pit 0.334502924
Peach 0.565079365
Donkey Kong 0.504471545
Luigi 0.810606061
Wolf 1.475445816
Z-Sheik 0.794949495
Sonic 0.863515755
Ike 0.887987988
Sheik 0.476608187
Ness 0.392156863
Pokemon Trainer 2.182142857
Yoshi 0.338562092
Lucas 0.22997416
Mario 0.54057971
Bowser 0.474537037
Captain Falcon 0.009722222
Samus 0.604938272
Jigglypuff 0.179111111
Link 0
Zelda 0.574712644
Ganondorf 0.318222222

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...And this is what the data looks like when Ally is removed from the equation. I keep saying he's an enormous outlier, so I may as well act on it.

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Meta-Knight 2.31963008
Snake 1.987854187
Diddy Kong 1.846072797
Falco 1.344865719
Wario 2.097072522
Marth 0.727069927
Ice Climbers 2.66412037
Olimar 1.12587963
Pikachu 1.207317073
King Dedede 1.979266896
Mr. Game and Watch 0.761239316
Lucario 0.829404762
Zero Suit Samus 0.879227053
Toon Link 1.135117227
Kirby 0.354385965
Fox 0.595647059
R.O.B. 0.969397363
Pit 0.334502924
Peach 0.565079365
Donkey Kong 0.504471545
Luigi 0.810606061
Wolf 1.475445816
Z-Sheik 0.794949495
Sonic 0.863515755
Ike 0.887987988
Sheik 0.476608187
Ness 0.392156863
Pokemon Trainer 2.182142857
Yoshi 0.338562092
Lucas 0.22997416
Mario 0.54057971
Bowser 0.474537037
Captain Falcon 0.009722222
Samus 0.604938272
Jigglypuff 0.179111111
Link 0
Zelda 0.574712644
Ganondorf 0.318222222

With this, ICs seem to be doing better than MK, and PT is almost at equal footing... but ICs and PT aren't broken, are they...? I'm just going to attribute this oddity to "low usage = standardly deviated results" for now. We should keep an eye on them...

 

[Ghostbone]

It's because Reflex is the only person who uses PT and he wins.

So they get more money than they should lol.

IC are rare and really hard to play against if you don't know how to so that would probably be a contributor to it.
Plus they take a lot more effort to learn than other characters, so players that are willing to use IC are likely players that spend a lot of time on smash in general, and are more likely to be high level players because of that.

/my thoughts.

 

[John12346]

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Maybe we'll start to see something a tad more conclusive when ICs are used 80 more times(bringing their # of uses to 200, which is the cutoff at which I believe we can start reliably interpreting this data).

Also, as I'm sure you've all noticed, I've made quite a few different kinds of data interpretation over the course of this thread. Just as a heads up, I intend to do a MASSIVE presentation of data at the end of June, providing a ****LOAD amount of different data for ya'll to interpret in any way you choose. I'll also do one at the end of December, and if I'm still continuing the project, I'll consistently continue doing it on a half-year basis.

 

[MK26]

dont just use an arbitrary 9 (just like you shouldnt use an arbitrary 10 i guess)
add up total entry fees and divide by total number of entrants to get average entry fee per person, no?

=F2/(D2*(D$41/B$41))

Then again that is really close to 9 so the chart you presented stands

but by using the F column you're just making Ally more of an outlier because it's like every character he uses has their own Ally making money...if he won a tourney using 3 separate characters, you're making an outlier because now youre adding a total of more than the entire pot of the tourney just off one person

EDIT: oh tru, ripple doesnt split
why doesnt he split?

 

[John12346]

Even if F column makes Ally more of an outlier, it's the column that's supposed to be used in tandem with Ripple's info. I could make a case for using H column, but definitely not D column.

And regardless of column used, I could simply just NOT use an arbitrary entry fee. Just do F or H column divided by B column and call it a day.

And Iunno why Ripple doesn't split. Ask him.

 

[z00ted]

sweet! You are giving character specific breakdowns?

Can I see the Peach one?

 

[John12346]

Peach

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Illmatic 124.4
Kyle 108
Kyon 90
Lee 72
Vinnie 51
Battou 36
Mikey Lenetia 35
lol. 11
Cheap 10.5
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two 8
SSR 7
Winnar 3.5

 

[z00ted]

Thanks!

LOL

I've won that much money without money matches?!?!?!? Where did it all goooo

 

[Kinzer]

Peach

If it isn't too much trouble, may I see Sonic's and Falco's?