Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

[John12346]

It's only been 4 months. Month 5 has just begun, after all!

Also, I'm helping, aren't I?

T. T;

 

[Ripple]

o_O

well duh your helping. I guess I should rather say I hate updating this, and I thought about just giving up on it

 

[John12346]

Oh, I see what you mean...

Generally, only top 8 players' characters are listed, and the pot split is easy enough to find on the tournament's original page... so for me, the information is all ready for me to compile, although that is a bit of a tedious process in and of itself.

In your case, I understand how annoying it can be to get intel on every character used by every player in tournament... I've imagined how annoying it could potentially be in my mind many times over.

 

[Curlz]

Breakdown for Zelda?

 

[John12346]

I already gave this breakdown a few pages ago but w/e

Zelda

Spoiler

Christian 100
Curlz 33
Jerm 17

 

[SN Viper]

Hey john how will the results that cali posted be added.

 

[John12346]

If you're talking about the E4 events, I'm just gonna add all of them as if it happened this week.

Attempting to re-inject differently timed tournaments into 4 separate areas would literally take 3 hours. It's... not a fun procedure.

 

[John12346]

Here's the Update Info for the weekend of 5/7/11

Spoiler

Characters
Diddy: 303.8
Lucario: 129
Snake: 214.4
Falco: 528.95
MK: 1148.31
Peach: 33
Olimar: 129.95
Marth: 118.89
R.O.B.: 2.5
Pit: 2.5
Kirby: 17.3
GaW: 63.33
ICs: 187.88
Pika: 48
Dedede: 12.75
TLink: 45.39
Wolf: 10.54
Wario: 32.5
Z-Sheik: 30
Fox: 10
Sheik: 18.3
Zamus: 30

Users
Diddy: 516
Lucario: 159
Snake: 584.2
Falco: 711.9
MK: 1733.03
Peach: 78
Olimar: 129.95
Marth: 205.93
R.O.B.: 5
Pit: 5
Kirby: 39.8
GaW: 170
ICs: 550
Pika: 96
Dedede: 51
TLink: 53.89
Wolf: 21.08
Wario: 77.5
Z-Sheik: 30
Fox: 20
Sheik: 84
Zamus: 60

Players
Gnes Diddy: 216
Trela Lucario: 99
UltimateRazer Snake: 63
UltimateRazer Falco: 63
Dojo MK: 36
Infinjity MK: 18
Illmatic Peach: 18
Rich Brown Olimar: 115.25
Havok MK: 95.2
Havok Snake: 95.2
Tearbear MK: 22.4
mikeHAZE Marth: 82.85
DEHF Falco: 386.4
Jebus Diddy: 9
Kiraflax R.O.B.: 5
Kiraflax Pit: 5
Tyrant MK: 344.4
Anuar Olimar: 14.7
Falln Kirby: 9.8
Vinnie GaW: 160
Vinnie ICs: 160
Vinnie MK: 160
ESAM Pika: 96
ESAM ICs: 96
RedHalberd MK: 108
RedHalberd Snake: 60
RedHalberd Peach: 60
RedHalberd Wario: 60
MVD Snake: 16
Kadaj MK: 102
Kadaj Marth: 102
Kadaj Snake: 102
Kadaj Diddy: 102
H1N1 ICs: 51
H1N1 Falco: 51
H1N1 Dedede: 51
H1N1 MK: 51
Archer MK: 17
Archer TLink: 17
Jem MK: 96
Nerd MK: 48
Eggz MK: 16
Mew2King MK: 137.02
Domo MK: 68.51
Ensis TLink: 36.89
Holms Marth: 21.08
Holms Wolf: 21.08
Shugo Falco: 105
Shugo Diddy: 105
Shugo MK: 105
Kel MK: 52.5
Kel Falco: 52.5
Blue Rogue Wario: 17.5
Infern Snake: 5
Ed!!! Z-Sheik: 30
TrumpTight Fox: 20
TrumpTight MK: 20
Ally MK: 189
Ally Snake: 189
Ally ICs: 189
Swordgard ICs: 54
Swordgard Snake: 54
Swordgard Sheik: 54
Swordgard Falco: 54
Swordgard Diddy: 54
HolyNightmare MK: 27
PatG Zamus: 60
PatG Lucario: 60
Jtails MK: 30
Jtails Diddy: 30
Jtails Kirby: 30
Jtails Sheik: 30
Penta GaW: 10

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303093
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 (All events with the exception of E4K Lorelei were added for the weekend of 5/7/11)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303095
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303115
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303109
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303100
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303092
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303220
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303234
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12696807#post12696807

Tournaments Unused
-none-

Updating this in Excel is going to take a while because finals are coming up and EVERYONE HAD TO BLOODY DECIDE USING LIKE FOUR OR FIVE CHARACTERS IN TOURNAMENT WAS A GOOD IDEA ALL OF A SUDDEN

Seriously, look at how long that "Players" list is for that weekend.

Also I'd like to turn everyone's attention to the alarmingly high numbers next to MK.

 

[Blacknight99923]

actually aren't his percentages dropping?

like I can see that he has 1000 dollars with falco larry second with 500, I was under the impression he was winning far more of the pot?

 

[PEACE7]

Ganon a loner

 

[John12346]

MK's percentages are about stable when splitting between characters is considered, but when splitting between characters is neglected, MK's percentages go up.

It's because most people have those random secondaries they "claim" to main but simply toss aside after one loss and go with MK on RC/Brinstar as their counterpick...

 

[cHp]

Surprised that Marth is 3rd most popular. Thought it would be Diddy/Falco.

 

[Blacknight99923]

MK's percentages are about stable when splitting between characters is considered, but when splitting between characters is neglected, MK's percentages go up.

It's because most people have those random secondaries they "claim" to main but simply toss aside after one loss and go with MK on RC/Brinstar as their counterpick...

I only see this happen in ATL north.

Like from my experiences people may switch to mk on your cp if you cp brinstar or RC but they rarely go metaknight to CP you there unless they are already a metaknight main.

To be honest metaknight secondaries and pocket metaknights rarely win against true mk mains.

 

[John12346]

Well, I was talking in the case of MK vs. not-MK...

Anyway, I know I'm being slow with the updates, but that's because I'm busy preparing myself for finals. My last one is tomorrow, so I can start updating for the last couple of weeks of tournaments very soon after that.

 

[Dyclone]

lolink is the only character not to win money...

 

[John12346]

Alright, time for a srs bsnss update! Gotta get that work in for last week, after all! This update takes into account all tournaments up to 5/14/11.

Update Information

Spoiler

Characters
Diddy: 100
Marth: 57.09
Falco: 35.67
MK: 390.69
Wario: 31
Fox: 40.6
Olimar: 13.05
Snake: 190.92
Kirby: 13.75
Zamus: 5
Mario: 1.25
Dedede: 48
Lucario: 4
ICs: 4
Luigi: 8
Sonic: 22

Users
Diddy: 100
Marth: 149.25
Falco: 110
MK: 593.6
Wario: 64
Fox: 40.6
Olimar: 13.05
Snake: 284.5
Kirby: 27.5
Zamus: 5
Mario: 2.5
Dedede: 96
Lucario: 8
ICs: 8
Luigi: 8
Sonic: 22

Players
Tin Man Diddy: 100
Iliad Marth: 50
Iliad Falco: 50
Iliad MK: 50
Gi Wario: 20
Tyrant MK: 84.1
TKD Fox: 40.6
Richbrown Olimar: 13.05
MikeHAZE Marth: 7.25
Fatal Snake: 78
Bizkit Snake: 39
Bloodcross MK: 13
Facey Kirby: 27.5
Facey MK: 27.5
ChKn Marth: 15
ChKn MK: 15
BlueBomberXTJ Zamus: 5
Blaise Snake: 2.5
Blaise Mario: 2.5
Seibrik MK: 96
Seibrik Dedede: 96
RedHalberd MK: 44
RedHalberd Wario: 44
RedHalberd Snake: 44
RedHalberd Falco: 44
MVD Snake: 28
Xaltis Falco: 16
Xaltis MK: 16
Snipa Lucario: 8
Snipa ICs: 8
SheikSSBM Luigi: 8
Mew2King MK: 96
Lain MK: 48
Sparta Kick Snake: 16
Sparta Kick MK: 16
Kadaj Marth: 77
Kadaj MK: 77
Kadaj Snake: 77
D1aos Sonic: 22
VICE MK: 11

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303574
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 (E4J: Will)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303517
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303516
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303588
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303637
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303565

Tournaments Unused
-none-

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $16000.
- Snake breaks $6000.
- Diddy breaks $3000.
- Falco breaks $2000.
- Ice Climbers break $2000.
- Olimar breaks $1000.
- Pikachu breaks $1000.
- Wolf breaks $1000!?

Also, since I found out I could immediately copy and paste charts into Paint, I'm willing to release the "Average" Charts weekly, like so:

And as an added bonus, I'm willing to show more detailed graphs! If you want me to single out a few characters on the "Weekly" graph, make a request(I can't do the same for the cumulative charts, sorry...)! For example, if you wanted to see a chart with MK and Snake on it only, I could do that for you! Just ask!

 

[SN Viper]

Can you show a graph with only s and a tier + pika and olimar?

Hey great job with all that you have done over the year. I am glad that this did not die.

 

[John12346]

And viola!

MK still da bes...

 

[MK26]

if it isnt too much trouble could you show each individual tier letter?
merging mk with A tier (obv) and having E, F, and G together

is it easier to have the scale in dollars or percent?

(if it is too much trouble just do C by itself and D by itself plz)

 

[John12346]

Alright, here it is. Nothing interesting to write home about, aside from Meta-Knight. Yoshi seems to be pretty consistent in staying above 0 in his respective EFG tier grouping, so I guess that's something.

Also, before you jump to any hasty conclusions, please make sure you check out the Y-axis for each graph, because the numbers in each are different.

 

[MK26]

lol the only thing consistent about those charts is that nothing is consistent at all

maybe youd have to widen the time frame of each data point or wait for more time to pass (both probably) before you could start jumping to conclusions

 

[san.]

That's because tournaments aren't consistent and players don't always go to each available tournament. The larger spikes for Ike basically represent all 3 of my local/regional tournaments and that's pretty much it..
When you don't have sufficient enough players, figures tend to look all over the place, but cumulative results should be smoother.

 

[John12346]

Cumulative results are smoother, but I haven't been keeping track of those for every character.

But I think I will, from here on out. How's that sound?

 

[Reizilla]

I'll win Link money this weekend.

 

[Blacknight99923]

thanks for posting the additional charts john

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

This ****'s great.

Also, the title made me happy.

 

[Flayl]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303588

What were the payouts for this?

 

[John12346]

No one ever said. To be safe, I used the 48 22 14 8 4 4 split, because that provides the most spread out split possible.

Even if the people in 5th place didn't really get anything, they received an extremely negligible amount for their character.

 

[Conviction]

Hmm this has me wondering...can you make a chart consisting of Fox, Wolf, Pit, and Peach?

 

[John12346]

I'm busy making some extensive updates to my data, so requests are gonna have to be put on hold for now...

 

[SN Viper]

MK made bank last week i really want to see the data on that

 

[John12346]

Alright, so after a few hours of really, REALLY tedious typing, I got the week-by-week cumulative changes for all characters added to the graphs. They will be released when I do the updates for the weekend of 5/28.

Anyway, here's the update info for 5/21, as requested. I'll be adding it to the Excel spreadsheet soon enough, but here ya'll go.

Spoiler

Characters
Snake: 201.3
MK: 768.1
Wario: 210.6
Diddy: 278.8
Olimar: 106.4
Lucario: 27
Dedede: 13.5
Falco: 15.6
Marth: 86.8
Kirby: 20.5
Zamus: 20.5
Ness: 22
Zelda: 10
Sonic: 5
Pikachu: 18.2
Fox: 3.9
TLink: 110
Lucas: 30
Peach: 19

Users
Snake: 607.8
MK: 1325.2
Wario: 626.4
Diddy: 406.4
Olimar: 106.4
Lucario: 27
Dedede: 27
Falco: 62.4
Marth: 94.6
Kirby: 41
Zamus: 41
Ness: 22
Zelda: 10
Sonic: 5
Pikachu: 18.2
Fox: 7.8
TLink: 110
Lucas: 30
Peach: 19

Players
Ally Snake: 522
Ally MK: 522
Ally Wario: 522
Anti MK: 255.2
Anti Diddy: 255.2
ADHD Diddy: 139.2
Mew2King MK: 92.8
Dabuz Olimar: 46.4
Nairo MK: 46.4
Junebug Lucario: 27
Atomsk Dedede: 27
Atomsk MK: 27
Seibrik MK: 109.2
RedHalberd MK: 62.4
RedHalberd Snake: 62.4
RedHalberd Falco: 62.4
RedHalberd Wario: 62.4
Xaltis MK: 31.2
HRNut Snake: 15.6
HRNut Marth: 15.6
Y.b.M. Kirby: 41
Y.b.M. Zamus: 41
Smash64 Ness: 22
AlphaZealot Diddy: 12
Linkz Zelda: 10
Magic Magnum Sonic: 5
xzerolegend Marth: 1!? lol
Lain MK: 84
Judge Wario: 42
Judge MK: 42
Bowyer MK: 14
K Prime Pikachu: 18.2
Megafox Fox: 7.8
Megafox Snake: 7.8
Averil TLink: 110
DNYCE Olimar: 60
FAE Lucas: 30
Neo Marth: 78
Kaffei MK: 39
BTC Peach: 13

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303978
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304011
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303958
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304055
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304023
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303927
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304015

Tournaments Unused
-none-

MK, as a character, obtained 39.05% of the weekend of 5/21's tournament money.
MK users pocketed a whopping 67.36% of that money.
Avg: 53.21%

Holy ****.

 

[Flayl]

Great job so far, and I don't like being that guy but I do have a need for it:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303958

What characters were used, and why didn't AZ post them?

 

[John12346]

AZ never told me the characters used in his tournament.

For that one, I went by the characters AZ and Y.b.M. was already recorded as using in previous tournaments.

As far as Smash64, it was blatantly obvious he used Ness, so yeah.

 

[OverLade]

Alright, so after a few hours of really, REALLY tedious typing, I got the week-by-week cumulative changes for all characters added to the graphs. They will be released when I do the updates for the weekend of 5/28.

Anyway, here's the update info for 5/21, as requested. I'll be adding it to the Excel spreadsheet soon enough, but here ya'll go.

Spoiler

Characters
Snake: 201.3
MK: 768.1
Wario: 210.6
Diddy: 278.8
Olimar: 106.4
Lucario: 27
Dedede: 13.5
Falco: 15.6
Marth: 86.8
Kirby: 20.5
Zamus: 20.5
Ness: 22
Zelda: 10
Sonic: 5
Pikachu: 18.2
Fox: 3.9
TLink: 110
Lucas: 30
Peach: 19

Users
Snake: 607.8
MK: 1325.2
Wario: 626.4
Diddy: 406.4
Olimar: 106.4
Lucario: 27
Dedede: 27
Falco: 62.4
Marth: 94.6
Kirby: 41
Zamus: 41
Ness: 22
Zelda: 10
Sonic: 5
Pikachu: 18.2
Fox: 7.8
TLink: 110
Lucas: 30
Peach: 19

Players
Ally Snake: 522
Ally MK: 522
Ally Wario: 522
Anti MK: 255.2
Anti Diddy: 255.2
ADHD Diddy: 139.2
Mew2King MK: 92.8
Dabuz Olimar: 46.4
Nairo MK: 46.4
Junebug Lucario: 27
Atomsk Dedede: 27
Atomsk MK: 27
Seibrik MK: 109.2
RedHalberd MK: 62.4
RedHalberd Snake: 62.4
RedHalberd Falco: 62.4
RedHalberd Wario: 62.4
Xaltis MK: 31.2
HRNut Snake: 15.6
HRNut Marth: 15.6
Y.b.M. Kirby: 41
Y.b.M. Zamus: 41
Smash64 Ness: 22
AlphaZealot Diddy: 12
Linkz Zelda: 10
Magic Magnum Sonic: 5
xzerolegend Marth: 1!? lol
Lain MK: 84
Judge Wario: 42
Judge MK: 42
Bowyer MK: 14
K Prime Pikachu: 18.2
Megafox Fox: 7.8
Megafox Snake: 7.8
Averil TLink: 110
DNYCE Olimar: 60
FAE Lucas: 30
Neo Marth: 78
Kaffei MK: 39
BTC Peach: 13

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303978
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304011
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303958
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304055
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304023
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303927
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304015

Tournaments Unused
-none-

MK, as a character, obtained 39.05% of the weekend of 5/21's tournament money.
MK users pocketed a whopping 67.36% of that money.
Avg: 53.21%

Holy ****.

Use MK? Win money??






Na it's prolly coincidence...

 

[-Jumpman-]

There is no clear trend in these data. It's mostly influenced by individual players. The fact that good players use Meta Knight contributes to Meta Knight's performance. I'd say other characters are mostly underrepresented.

Wolf, however, is probably most succesful in high attendance mid tier tournaments, explaining his relatively high, though not surprising due to usage numbers, amount of money won.

 

[Flayl]

AZ never told me the characters used in his tournament.

For that one, I went by the characters AZ and Y.b.M. was already recorded as using in previous tournaments.

As far as Smash64, it was blatantly obvious he used Ness, so yeah.

I have recorded tournaments where he uses Snake in conjunction with Ness. I'll wait and pressure AZ if needed and I'll PM you if things turn out different.

Jumpan: how many players does it take for it to no longer count as "individual"

 

[John12346]

Sorry, Jumpman, but that explanation isn't gonna work. I've been doing my research, after all. ;p

There are 140 different MK players who have placed in the money. Compare that to Snake's 62, or Diddy's 36, and what do you get?

And when we also take into account that the last recorded money won : usage ratio(I don't think there's going to be another, because I think Ripple gave up on this...) has MK at #1 in that category, as well, there you go. Probable cause that MK may just be too good of a character... >___>;

Also Flayl thanks for poking around for info.
And Ripple, just confirm for me whether or not you've given up on this thread.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Sorry, Jumpman, but that explanation isn't gonna work. I've been doing my research, after all. ;p

There are 140 different MK players who have placed in the money. Compare that to Snake's 62, or Diddy's 36, and what do you get?

And when we also take into account that the last recorded money won : usage ratio(I don't think there's going to be another, because I think Ripple gave up on this...) has MK at #1 in that category, as well, there you go. Probable cause that MK may just be too good of a character... >___>;

Also Flayl thanks for poking around for info.
And Ripple, just confirm for me whether or not you've given up on this thread.

The conclusion that Meta Knight is too good is completely invalid.

 

[Flayl]

What you should have wrote so as to not make a baseless assumption was "there is a correlation but that does not imply casuation".