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Ripple

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oh, joy. now I'm gonna be PMing a **** ton of people about characters.

also, do you guys think that this could show that MK is over centralizing the meta game? what % would be need? I'm assuming at least 33%. and plus a ridiculous amount of cash won.
 

Tarmogoyf

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I think that Money won is the way to go with over centralizing. If only 20% of people play a character, yet he wins>40% of the money, I see that as an issue.
 

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Yeah, MK overcentralizing the metagame is only a smallish issue, imo.

Think of it like this: if people played Brawl in order to stir up numerous amounts of lulz, rather than go for the prize money by actually winning the match, everyone would pick Captain Falcon and he would subsequently become the center of the metagame. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a good character, though.

Of course, I'm not saying that metagame centralization is a good thing or anything; it does have its own merits in degenerating a game.

If the data for "usage" and "winnings" vary differently, aka high % of MK used and low % of MK winning OR low % of MK used and high % of MK winning, then it won't really be necessary as that data alone gives us a correct conclusion(Former means MK is really bad while latter means MK is really good).

If we see a low % of MK use and a low % of MK winning tournament money, then we can just go ahead and write it off as "MK sucks."

If we see a high % of MK usage and a high % of MK winning in addition to that, things get complicated, because then we need to go back and check MK's overall placings and find a formula to put MK's low placings against his high placings and find it out from there. Finding a formula for that would be piss annoying though because every tournament has a different entrant size so there'd have to be something in there to compensate for it.

Of course, this applies to any character, but I'm mentioning MK simply because he's the only one with skewed data at the moment. >.>
 

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John saying what I was thinking extremely eloquently lol.

But still, more sample size needed. Like at leat 3 months IMO.
 

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For now, I'm remaining passive on the matter, but if someone wanted to take a public stand against a character(not just MK, there are some people who would really target Snake or even ICs), the ideal data for them would be "high percentage of usage," "high percentage of cash won," followed by the "piss annoying formula" mentioned above showing the high percentage of cash won was due to the character being too good, rather than simply popular.

Also Ripple I found some tournaments aside from KTAR you might wanna use... if you want, I can help you with the character usage collection.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295773
1: Lee ($84.00) - MK, Diddy, Snake
2: Jnig ($42.00) - Wario
3: Hyro ($14.00) - TL
4: Nitez - Diddy, D3
5: Byron - Diddy
5: Jiovanni the Great - Lucario, Kirby, Falco
7: Blaise - Snake, Fox, Mario
7: BlueBomberX - ZSS
9: Turaz - Olimar
9: Mura - Luigi, Sheik
9: Fang - MK, Game & Watch
9: Nick - D3
13: Ricky B - Marth
13: Adam - Diddy
13: Curlz - MK
13: Li-D - Falco
17: Nickles - Lucario
17: Rjpunch - Pikachu
17: Pip - MK
17: .D - Kirby
17: Jonathan - Luigi
17: BSL - Olimar
17: V - Zelda
17: Iceman - Luigi
25: Running Bull - Zero Suit
25: AJ - Luigi
25: BSP - Mario, Sonic, Luigi
25: Gunner - Falco
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295740
1: Shugo :falco: ($140.00)
2: Infern :snake: ($63.00)
3: DJIskascribble :metaknight: ($40.00)
4: Y.b.M. :kirby: :zerosuitsamus: ($23.00)
5: Fizzle :dedede: :metaknight: :lucario: ($12.00)
5: Kel :metaknight: ($12.00)
7: Z :metaknight:
7: Fonz :lucario: :metaknight:
9: AlphaZealot :diddy: :pikachu:
9: Sneaky Tako :rob:
9: Quivo :toonlink:
9: Mr. Eric :rob:
13: Sai :diddy:
13: Luminoth :wolf: :diddy:
13: Sorasin :falco:
13: KB :peach: :metaknight: :pikachu:
---Pools Cut Off---
17: Kassandra :metaknight:
17: Moose - :marth: :snake:
17: Mr. E :rob:
17: MX :yoshi:
21: Slimjim :metaknight: :kirby:
21: ShyGuy :falco:
21: JT - :sonic:
21: Duckman :marth:
25: Kiest :dedede:
25: Drillbit Sammy - :luigi:
25: Hael Phael :pikachu:
25: Soulpech :jigglypuff:
29: Kirakou-Runy - :metaknight:
29: Fortenium :metaknight:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295753
Espy - Sonic
K Prime - Pikachu
Nike - Marth
MegaFox - Snake/Fox
Loko - Wolf/Meta Knight
Pyledriver - Snake
Big Boss - Snake
Morningstar - Snake
Slush - Yoshi
Sypher - Marth
Chuk - Zero Suit Samus
Paw - Zero Suit Samus

The only one I don't know is Suspect.
I used kirby, mk, ice climbers and pokemon trainer. since they must know so so bad
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295774 - Partially complete; not in OP; may be inaccurate
 

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Sent out the request for Blue Brawls. Also, Flayl, and anyone else reading, don't be afraid to go out and get the results for tournaments yourselves. You don't need mine or Ripple's permission; just go for it.

Also AFAIK Ripple hasn't forgotten about this thread; he's likely waiting on KTAR's results before he makes an update.
 

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Sent out the request for Blue Brawls. Also, Flayl, and anyone else reading, don't be afraid to go out and get the results for tournaments yourselves. You don't need mine or Ripple's permission; just go for it.

Also AFAIK Ripple hasn't forgotten about this thread; he's likely waiting on KTAR's results before he makes an update.
What do you think I've been doing? I'm asking for Blue Brawls because Ripple has added it to the project, I assumed Tantalus/Bolt sent him a PM with the characters.
 

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What do you think I've been doing? I'm asking for Blue Brawls because Ripple has added it to the project, I assumed Tantalus/Bolt sent him a PM with the characters.
Oh shi-

Didn't realize that.

I probably look like a twit for asking for the results in the thread now. -__ -;
 

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For Ripple in case he needs it:

Ensis - :toonlink: :metaknight:
Dphat - :metaknight: :wario:
Denti - :olimar:
Holms - :wolf:
Chuck Nasty - :metaknight:
Zeton - :fox:
Bassem - :wario:
Domo - :metaknight:
Infinity - :diddy:
FK - :zerosuitsamus:
ALSM - :link2:
The Real Inferno - :rob:
Dakpo - :zerosuitsamus:
Bobo - :popo:
Afrotastic - :snake:
Joshua - :sonic: (:zelda:/:jigglypuff: too, if you don't care if they won games or not, lol)
FTP - :yoshi2:
Typ.Ex - :falco:
999% - :dedede:
Foxy Brown - :diddy:
kpeezy - :metaknight:
deezy - :metaknight:
Zinth - :metaknight:
Snivy - :snake: :falco: :ike: :dedede:
Jiveturkey - :gw: :diddy:
RedShadow - :wario:
Trifoce of Chozo - :gw: :falco:
AngryBadger - :pit:
Boom - :snake:
Sars Pirate - :marth:
GMo - :metaknight:
1% Fun - :falco:
The results for Oh Snap last weekend.
 

Ripple

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this is what was given to me for blue brawls. 2 people gave me pretty much the same list. its already included btw

1: Junebug - Lucario, Metaknight
2: Lie - Diddy Kong
3: Korn - Metaknight
4: Mekos - Lucas
5: Boss - Luigi
5: Dashing Knight - Metaknight
7: EEVisu - Metaknight, King Dedede
7: Poyo - Metaknight, Kirby
9: Tantalus - Metaknight, King Dedede
9: 2Fast - Mario
9: BMX - Wario
9: Oh - Yoshi
13: Smokey - Yoshi
13: Kojin - Sonic
13: Bert - Ice Climbers, Kirby
13: Kaffei - Metaknight
17: Lol - Metaknight
17: Basco - Falco
17: Ua - Snake
17: Zanna - Snake

and I'll try and update tonight. I can't update this on tuesdays or thursdays
 

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Alright, so we've got KTAR, the results for the tourney Oh Snap at the top of the page(could I get a direct link to that?), plus the 3 tournaments I've got listed down on the previous page.

5 tournies. Good stuff. :D

Also Ripple, don't you think you should be equally dividing characters among multi-use players like I am with the prize money? Just wondering...
 

Ripple

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I don't count the third character when its given, I just count the 2 most used
 

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Oh alright, then it probably doesn't make too much of a difference.

BTW how's the collection on KTAR's characterset going?
 

Ripple

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slow, my class schedule is a real ***** this semester... probably shouldn't have taken 20 hours.

I'm gonna get the other ones out of the way because ktar is something that'll stay active
 

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Updated my segment as well. You can view the data here as well as the OP:


Data's still too newish to draw any conclusions, although do see some significance in MK winning over 2000 bucks more than the Snake, in second place... ;p

Also BREAKING NEWS Marth and Olimar are not viable characters lmao
 

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More Breaking News? MK Is less than 1/5th of the metagame, yet wins 40% of the money.


................................. healthy

(Small data has consistent trends already, MK is always >35% of the money?)
 

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(Small data has consistent trends already, MK is always >35% of the money?)
Well, you probably noticed this already, but the %age has been decreasing with each update. It might increase or decrease from here, but we'll have to wait for it to level off first with more data.
 

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It's been really incremental, and we have had data from 2009 (Crow!'s data) referring to money won, where it was around 35-40% anyways.

Actual Character popularity though, we've never had data on before.

I agree with waiting still, particularly when we haven't had more than a large regional yet. IMO, it'll be much clearer after pound/Whobo/maybe genesis, because larger tournaments have more impact than anything
 

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From what I can tell, Marth/Olimar/G&W/Kirby are the most noob-friendly characters around, then Pit and the rest bunch up together and follow the top 4. I have to agree though, it's pretty tough finding a top player who can really call himself a top player for those characters.
 

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glad to see you found a way to spend time sir rippington, since you live so far away from everyone else in the MW :<

oh also, did i leave my hat in your car? i think i left my hat in your car!
 

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was it a black grenadier softcap with a mother pin in it?

WHY WOULD THAT BE NICOLE'S

anyway if you could ship it back to me i'll pay shipping :X

or actually give it to nicole and she'll give it to me at P5

unless YOU'RE coming to P5? :D
 

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So far it looks like Sonic isn't just good because he has a million fanboys playing him. Less rep than almost everyone above him.
 

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this is what was given to me for blue brawls. 2 people gave me pretty much the same list. its already included btw

1: Junebug - Lucario, Metaknight
2: Lie - Diddy Kong
3: Korn - Metaknight
4: Mekos - Lucas
5: Boss - Luigi
5: Dashing Knight - Metaknight
7: EEVisu - Metaknight, King Dedede
7: Poyo - Metaknight, Kirby
9: Tantalus - Metaknight, King Dedede
9: 2Fast - Mario
9: BMX - Wario
9: Oh - Yoshi
13: Smokey - Yoshi
13: Kojin - Sonic
13: Bert - Ice Climbers, Kirby
13: Kaffei - Metaknight
17: Lol - Metaknight
17: Basco - Falco
17: Ua - Snake
17: Zanna - Snake

and I'll try and update tonight. I can't update this on tuesdays or thursdays
i didn't use metaknight (in singles)! :)
 

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oh, joy. only 16 new tournaments this week :/

*sigh* better get started
 

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Ripple, for whichever tournies you use, make sure you PM me missing character lists, okay?

Also, I checked through BlueBrawl's thread for the character list I used, and it already had Junebug using Lucario only. So no change is needed.
 
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