Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

SN Viper · Feb 17, 2011

good **** ripple this is a great experiment

Ripple · Feb 18, 2011

King Funk said:
I suppose European tournaments don't count?

correct. but canadian tournaments do

C.J. · Feb 18, 2011

Continentist.

Juushichi · Feb 18, 2011

How are you guys going to grab P5's character lists? Seems like a lot. You might be able to get TO's to record it.

Reizilla · Feb 18, 2011

hotgarbage · Feb 22, 2011

Wow, this is awesome data. Props for the work put in to get this.

Hive · Feb 22, 2011

Ok here me out I'm not sure if this is a good or terrible idea yet. But what if we used the money earned per character data or a similar measure to adjust entrance fees for players based on the highest character they will play in tournament? That way the people paying for the tournament prizes pay proportionally more if they have a chance at winning back that money then people who are there probably more just to play and try to do well with a character?

Edit: Apart from that heh, Ripple this data is amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to compile it

Edit2: AND John12346!! sorry i missed you!

John12346 · Feb 23, 2011

Well, we can work on interpretation and formulas after we collect a sufficient amount of data. 2 months of tournies isn't enough to start combining data together. The most we can do with this much data right now is interpret each category singularly.

And where are my thanks? D:

Ghostbone · Feb 23, 2011

Hive said:
Ok here me out I'm not sure if this is a good or terrible idea yet. But what if we used the money earned per character data or a similar measure to adjust entrance fees for players based on the highest character they will play in tournament? That way the people paying for the tournament prizes pay proportionally more if they have a chance at winning back that money then people who are there probably more just to play and try to do well with a character?

Someone with multiple mains?
Oh wait based on the highest character they will play...hmm

Main thing I can think of is it will make it way too complicated, and would make it less inviting for new players who main higher tiered characters to enter tournaments.
Also as an example...why should say, PT mains have to pay more money to enter a tournament just because of reflex?

Kewkky · Feb 23, 2011

Don't worry john, at least I know you're putting in some very good work here.

John12346 · Feb 24, 2011

Pre-emptive strike! I asked Ripple to PM me his list of tournies so I could get a jump on my data.

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $8000.
- Wario and Ice Climbers finally break $1000!
- Mr. Game and Watch has become unviable.
- Over $20000 has made it into tournament circulation! Hype train!!!

Meta-Knight users have won ~70% of this week's tournament money. Holy ****.

Ghostbone · Feb 25, 2011

Meta dominating the meta-game.

TheReflexWonder · Feb 25, 2011

That's how they do. :/

To be fair, good characters will have their breakout week every now and again. Meta Knight will have his ridiculously dominant week every now and again, too.

Nidtendofreak · Feb 25, 2011

TheReflexWonder said:
That's how they do. :/

To be fair, good characters will have their breakout week every now and again. Meta Knight will have his ridiculously dominant week every now and again, too.

More like "will have his slightly less dominant week every now and then". lol

How many weeks are there where he isn't the dominant character?

Tesh · Feb 25, 2011

What happened to the part where you guys outlined the percentage of each main being successful. Wasn't it like 20% all across top tier.

Flayl · Feb 25, 2011

Tesh said:
What happened to the part where you guys outlined the percentage of each main being successful. Wasn't it like 20% all across top tier.

You can just look at John's spreadsheet and do some basic math. Currently S and A tier gain about 74% of all tournament money.

z00ted · Feb 25, 2011

yeahhh peach makin dat money

:troll:

Tesh · Feb 25, 2011

MK is such a fanboy character. Only reason he gets money is because he has a million fanboys using him.

John12346 · Feb 27, 2011

Ripple, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298477 is a MK banned tourney, so make sure you don't use it.

Tournament's main page in case you need to confirm.

OverLade · Feb 28, 2011

Tesh said:
MK is such a fanboy character. Only reason he gets money is because he has a million fanboys using him.

ROFL I hope you're trolling and not really serious.

John12346 · Feb 28, 2011

Graphs are in here:

Character Success - Cumulative:

Character Success - Non-cumulative:

User Success - Cumulative:

User Success - Non cumulative:

MK26 · Feb 28, 2011

oooh numbers

*eagerly awaits ripple's stats*

Ripple · Mar 1, 2011

oh boy...looks like i'm behind again

John12346 · Mar 1, 2011

This is out of nowhere, but is this sigworthy?

Ghostbone · Mar 1, 2011

Could you start another set of data from MK banned tourneys?

Would be interesting.

MK26 · Mar 1, 2011

@johnny: yes. it is awesome.

@ghostbone: i like the sound of that

John12346 · Mar 1, 2011

I'll track MK banned tournaments on a new chart, but I'm gonna keep it to myself until I get at least like, 10 tournies, k?

Tournament used:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298477

If there are any other MK banned tournies from 2011 I need to be made aware of, let me know.

WindMajor · Mar 1, 2011

Resize the image to make it fit SWF regulations (assuming it doesn't already) and it'll be an awesome sig.

John12346 · Mar 1, 2011

I didn't resize it, but instead cropped the image and moved the text up by a veritable amount. Looks pretty good now, imo. :D

Also, people, I haven't been keeping track of MK banned tournies before today... so if any such tournies have occurred between 1/1/2011 and 2/26/2011, let me know.

John12346 · Mar 1, 2011

Double post, but a new tournament came in. Aside from MK taking a leap upwards, not much happened, but for the sake of being a completionist, I went ahead and added it in.

Tournament Used:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298629

But for the sake of conversation, do ya'll think the "Average" columns are best suited to determine a character's true value?

Evenly splitting between characters may displace them in their values, such as a user of Snake and Ganon; they likely used Snake more, but both characters gain the same amount, so Snake likely receives less than he should be receiving. At the same time, not splitting puts all of the characters too high, because that means the character was used 100% of the time and overloads their money values(although it is the correct column for determining how much all of the USERS, not CHARACTERS obtain with a given character).

The "Average" column seems to hit the middle ground quite well, imo. Thoughts?

Ripple · Mar 1, 2011

I think you should give yourself a little more credit in that sig. I'd imagine you have a bigger load of work than I do.

btw I'll try and update this with at least a week's worth of tournaments tonight.

John12346 · Mar 1, 2011

Uh, I think you're two weeks behind right now.

You take care of the week of 2/19/11 yet?

Edit: Also ragemode ANOTHER tourney just came in and it's a pain in the butt to integrate tournies into already existing percentages. >.<;

Ripple · Mar 1, 2011

you should probably wait until like, the thursday after a weekend to update things.

and yeah, I'm 2 weeks worth behind but I'll update the first week I skipped tonight and then last week's tomorrow or thursday.

it usually takes me ~2 hours each for each week.

Ripple · Mar 7, 2011

updated

snl reference for the lolz

DeLux · Mar 7, 2011

Is the no payout at Pound situation going to be accounted for statistically?

Ripple · Mar 7, 2011

(Lux) said:
Is the no payout at Pound situation going to be accounted for statistically?

~~yes because people played as though there was money~~

nevermind. I'm not the one that should answer that

John12346 · Mar 7, 2011

I'm still counting it, yes.

They weren't paid up, but the characters and players still "earned" that money, so yeah.

DeLux · Mar 7, 2011

But how do you know what the projected total pot was in order to determine how much each character was made?

Any sort of number that comes up would probably be inherently arbitrary and would skew statistics.

Flayl · Mar 7, 2011

What? i'm pretty sure the results thread have the number of entrants. The original thread has the payouts.

DeLux · Mar 8, 2011

Right, but there was a variable cost of entrance fee leading up to the Pound event. Who knows how much each person paid and when they paid?

Some people paid 50 while others paid 30. This will undoubtedly skew the results.

So even with those two pieces of information, you'd need to know when each individual entrant registered in order to know the official pot size before you can do splits.

Since there is no proof of what the pot was and no real payout, the results should be thrown out unfortunately.

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