TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[Emperor Time]

He's ****ed either way, then. I highly doubt he could touch Roy no matter what he does.

Edit:Why would Roy wanna drop his sword?

 

[payasofobia]

Pit would CQC him and make him drop it. Or steal it.

Roy could have another sword though. And considering the SoS is nothing special in the real world, nothing of value would be lost.



And I don't care about who would win in this fight.

Both are annoying pieces of **** IMO.

Still going for Roy because he is the least annoying one.

 

[Emperor Time]

Honestly doubt it could be done easily. Considering the fact that disarmament is most likely a strike at the arm, which is very, very, hard considering the spacing game Roy put up.

The way you describe it is making me lean towards 50-50, but I still think Roy has a chance.

 

[payasofobia]

OFFtopic.

Hey, how strong is the Turn A gundam?

I am not a fan of real robot shows, but I heard it's power rivals those of super robots.

How?



Back on topic.

I think that Roy would win this fight because of his flexibility, something Pit lacks in both set-ups.

And like a wise man once said, specialization is for insects.

 

[Emperor Time]

Turn A is really only rivaled by Amuro Ray in the Nu Gundam. But, even then, it's probably Turn A's favor arguably making him the strongest Gundam.

The nanomachines in his Wings of Light pretty much turn any sort of technology to DUST. It's pretty hax.

He can also teleport inside someone's cockpit and...bam

Probably one of the few reals that have a chance against Ideon...

In the anime, it's only using about 5% of it's power, too.

 

[payasofobia]

Holy crap, that sounds pretty broken.

It targets every Humongous Mecha's weaknesses.

 

[Emperor Time]

I should really try looking more Super Robot workss

Everytime I see the Shin Getter Robo's attacks, my mouth drops and I slap myself for knowing nearly nothing about it....

 

[payasofobia]

I reccomend begining with the new getter robo OVA's and GAOGAIGAR if you can get your hands on them.


And if you like Real robots I see that you will enjoy Getter Robo, because the series usualy have settings similar to Real Robot settings in many parts.

Sometimes it feels like a super robot trapped in a real robot setting.



Back on topic:

Roy wins IMO. Pit defense puts him in a bad positon because of his reduced movement and precision.

Offense will kill him 50% of the time, will harm Roy 30% of the time, and kill Roy 20% of the time because of longer reach, better armor and similar attack speed.

 

[Emperor Time]

I reccomend begining with the new getter robo OVA's and GAOGAIGAR if you can get your hands on them.


And if you like Real robots I see that you will enjoy Getter Robo, because the series usualy have settings similar to Real Robot settings in many parts.

Sometimes it feels like a super robot trapped in a real robot setting.



Back on topic:

Roy wins IMO. Pit defense puts him in a bad positon because of his reduced movement and precision. Offense will kill him 50% of the time.

Cool. Thanks for the advice.

And if you ever wanna look into real robot anime, try Macross or the Mobile Suit Gundam Compilation movies. Pretty much the starting line for real robot anime.

EDIT: Yay for Roy

 

[payasofobia]

And there is also Gurren Lagann if you want to see all the super robot tropes cranked up to eleven.


Of course, you will need to watch other super robot shows to know what tropes GL is cranking up.

 

[Emperor Time]

I've seen Gurren Lagann So epic.

I'll get to Super Robots eventually, just gotta finish some anime I'm watching now...

Wish school wasn't starting so soon.....

 

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[Emperor Time]

The proper way to use Dual blades is by treating them as 1 blade(sounds weird, but stay with me)

Meaning, if Pit treats them as separate blades there won't be enough power/percision in the attacks.

 

[Adler]

In real life, using two swords at once is extremely complicated and usually is a disadvantage. The only time it's better than one is if you have trained exclusively with two, or are in a Hollywood movie.

Pit's best bet be would be to leave one blade sheathed (or on the ground where it won't get in the way), and use the other with his shield.
Or leave his shield behind too (it is quite big and could be unwieldy) and rely on his nimbleness to avoid blows.

Even then, Pit may have been hardened by game overs, but Roy was trained by the best swordfighters in the kingdom, he would know techniques and strokes which Pit wouldn't and would quickly overwhelm him.

If we examine the equipment, Pit has short quick, light and sharp slashing swords (no tip).
Roy has a long, heavy and also quite sharp longsword.
Both Pit and Roy's armour have been designed to stop short quick, light and sharp slashing swords. So Roy also has the advantage there too.
Pit's Shield has beed designed to deal with a sword like Roy's, however it has also been designed to be used by someone stronger than Pit (someone who can deflect a big sword rather than just block).

Pit's wings would be an advantage, but (let's face it) those wings couldn't exactly gain hight without magical enchantment (and if Pit gets magic then Roy gets his magical healing, flamey sword and feathers burn) and would maybe give Pit one free hit at Roy (if he throws his spare sword at him from above) (if he does try to swoop down and hit Roy, then he'll be blocked, lose all his momentum and crash) before landing a safe distance away then desprately trying to close the gap before Roy hits him with his much longer sword.

Whatever Pit does Roy will always have something up his sleeve to counter it.

PS: I go to a swordfighting club, my favourite is the broadsword so I may be a bit bias.

 

[UncleSam]

In real life, using two swords at once is extremely complicated and usually is a disadvantage.

depends on what sword you are using

The only time it's better than one is if you have trained exclusively with two, or are in a Hollywood movie.

was there any part where pit wasn't trained in using two swords?
he can use them both efficiently, he could strike two different ways, or block pits blow with one and counter with the other

Pit's best bet be would be to leave one blade sheathed (or on the ground where it won't get in the way), and use the other with his shield.
Or leave his shield behind too (it is quite big and could be unwieldy) and rely on his nimbleness to avoid blows.

having his two swords become a double-edged sword is allowed

Even then, Pit may have been hardened by game overs, but Roy was trained by the best swordfighters in the kingdom, he would know techniques and strokes which Pit wouldn't and would quickly overwhelm him.

If we examine the equipment, Pit has short quick, light and sharp slashing swords (no tip).
Roy has a long, heavy and also quite sharp longsword.
Both Pit and Roy's armour have been designed to stop short quick, light and sharp slashing swords. So Roy also has the advantage there too.
Pit's Shield has beed designed to deal with a sword like Roy's, however it has also been designed to be used by someone stronger than Pit (someone who can deflect a big sword rather than just block).

roy only has a chestplate, and in most situations pit would end up going for a low blow or a headshot anyway
roy can only defend and attack with his sword, pit has more options, if roy attacks, pit blocks and attacks
if pit attacks roy blocks and pit can still attack.

Pit's wings would be an advantage, but (let's face it) those wings couldn't exactly gain hight without magical enchantment (and if Pit gets magic then Roy gets his magical healing, flamey sword and feathers burn) and would maybe give Pit one free hit at Roy (if he throws his spare sword at him from above) (if he does try to swoop down and hit Roy, then he'll be blocked, lose all his momentum and crash) before landing a safe distance away then desprately trying to close the gap before Roy hits him with his much longer sword.

the wings don't matter in this case what are you going for?

Whatever Pit does Roy will always have something up his sleeve to counter it.

PS: I go to a swordfighting club, my favourite is the broadsword so I may be a bit bias.

other way around

 

[Sieguest]

No one's brought up the mirror shield controversy here...>.>

 

[UncleSam]

No one's brought up the mirror shield controversy here...>.>

polished metal has the same effect as glass.
the only reason it's called the mirror shield is because in Kid icarus you need it to reflect medusa's stare
this can be applied to polished metal and glass

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

Pits' stupid.

Next round.

 

[UncleSam]

Pits' stupid.

Next round.

Pit ftw

 

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[UncleSam]

so, do we think pit can be nimble enough to use his blades to dance around roy's might?

yes, and let them feel my pain by switching the topic then they aren't on
do it for cherrim

 

[Emperor Time]

With his shield, no.

Without, possibly. But, at that point, he's pretty much naked considering he's not wearing anything along the lines of armor.

And Roy spaces. Pit will be dead before he even gets close enough.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

I believe you have all overlooked an imperative variable here:

r0y h@s t3h pH1r3!

 

[UncleSam]

With his shield, no.

Without, possibly. But, at that point, he's pretty much naked considering he's not wearing anything along the lines of armor.

And Roy spaces. Pit will be dead before he even gets close enough.

ur making Pit out to be stupid, with a shield spacing does nothing, ur also assuming his shield is too heavy for him to carry, both Pit and Roy have training, but Pit has more options and can get through Roy

I believe you have all overlooked an imperative variable here:

r0y h@s t3h pH1r3!

IRL SoS has no pH1r3

 

[tocador]

Pit has a problem, when hes carryng his shield, his maximum is to use a single handed blade, and be slow. As his shield is like HIS size, so he pretty much wont try to be in defensive position, meaning he will go bersek with the dual blades.

Roy, and unclesam stated, is just a 15 years old kid. But you know, mozart made his first song with 4 years, so roy CAN be a expert swordsman, and judging by his "in-game" training, he must be one.

You know, they only call 15 years old to do some **** if they are REALLY good, so this must mean something.

And about pit, what are his swords made off? And really, as IRL angels dont exist, how old would he be? I mean, hes no taller then roy, and has pretty much the same musclelature, meaning he wont be FAR above 15 years.

Lets not forget, as pit wont be using his shield, he WONT have armor, meaning a single stab from roy can be deadly.

 

[UncleSam]

Pit has a problem, when hes carryng his shield, his maximum is to use a single handed blade, and be slow. As his shield is like HIS size, so he pretty much wont try to be in defensive position, meaning he will go bersek with the dual blades.

Roy, and unclesam stated, is just a 15 years old kid. But you know, mozart made his first song with 4 years, so roy CAN be a expert swordsman, and judging by his "in-game" training, he must be one.

You know, they only call 15 years old to do some **** if they are REALLY good, so this must mean something.

And about pit, what are his swords made off? And really, as IRL angels dont exist, how old would he be? I mean, hes no taller then roy, and has pretty much the same musclelature, meaning he wont be FAR above 15 years.

Lets not forget, as pit wont be using his shield, he WONT have armor, meaning a single stab from roy can be deadly.

he might be older IDK, maybe.
Roy is a righty and Pit's shield is held on the left had giving him an advantage over Roy's blows because he can still attack, unlike roy he'd be bringing back his blade from the shield when Pit attacks,
and with dual blades not only could Pit just dodge Roy's attacks he can block with one blade and attack with another
I keep saying that Pit has more options you guys don't seem to get it.
EDIT: tocador mozart had natural talent unlike roy

 

[tocador]

he might be older IDK, maybe.
Roy is a righty and Pit's shield is held on the left had giving him an advantage over Roy's blows because he can still attack, unlike roy he'd be bringing back his blade from the shield when Pit attacks,
and with dual blades not only could Pit just dodge Roy's attacks he can block with one blade and attack with another
I keep saying that Pit has more options you guys don't seem to get it.
EDIT: tocador mozart had natural talent unlike roy

Pit's shield is the size of his body, meaning he WONT be able to attack, or attack reall slowly, while using the shield. Therefore it is useless on a offensive position. So if pit is just going to hide behind his shield, why would roy charge him?

So then, shield is kinda useless.

What is the material the duals are made off? Depending on the material, you cant say they are "fast" as they can be heavy or such.

Pit can block roys sword with one of his own, but the duals are about half the size of Roys, meaning he has alot of range over that blades, AND pit has no armor. Any direct hit means hes dead, whereas roy can take a few because of his armor, and just counter attack for the kill.

Mozart is just a example. In the cuban voleyball team, they have a 16 years old, wich wasnt "all mighty as young", but trained since he was 8'ish and became reall good. He just needed to train.

The same can be said of Roy.

 

[UncleSam]

Pit's shield is the size of his body, meaning he WONT be able to attack, or attack reall slowly, while using the shield. Therefore it is useless on a offensive position. So if pit is just going to hide behind his shield, why would roy charge him?

So then, shield is kinda useless.

It actually isn't the size of his body it just looks like it because he crouches behind it when he uses it. It's the same size as link's and it serves the same purpose to protect its owner.

What is the material the duals are made off? Depending on the material, you cant say they are "fast" as they can be heavy or such.

lol Titanium? IDK pit can wield these blades really fast, go to training mode.

Pit can block roys sword with one of his own, but the duals are about half the size of Roys, meaning he has alot of range over that blades, AND pit has no armor. Any direct hit means hes dead, whereas roy can take a few because of his armor, and just counter attack for the kill.

dude wtf they aren't that small

they are small but not tiny compared to roys prolly 2/3 the size... each

and Roy only has a chestplate for protection everything else is open for free hits

Mozart is just a example. In the cuban voleyball team, they have a 16 years old, wich wasnt "all mighty as young", but trained since he was 8'ish and became reall good. He just needed to train.

The same can be said of Roy.

you don't KILL or BE KILLED in volleyball, you are still making bad comparisons

 

[tocador]

It actually isn't the size of his body it just looks like it because he crouches behind it when he uses it. It's the same size as link's and it serves the same purpose to protect its owner.

Links shield isnt even AS CLOSE to the size of pits. Pits shield is 2 or 3 times bigger than links.
Therefore it dosent serve the same purpose, and handling a giant shield in a melee battle can screw you up.

lol Titanium? IDK pit can wield these blades really fast, go to training mode.


dude wtf they aren't that small

they are small but not tiny compared to roys prolly 2/3 the size... each

and Roy only has a chestplate for protection everything else is open for free hits

Take pit's blade from that image and divide it by two. Thats how small pit's dual blade is.

you don't KILL or BE KILLED in volleyball, you are still making bad comparisons

What ever, if roy is 15, pit can be at maximum 17-18, wich really dosent make a big differece.

And, pit uses bow/shield/single/dual sword, Whereas Roy is specialized on single sword, and has fought against many other foes with different types of weapons, meaning he is more likely to being able to handle a duo-sword teenager than pit it.

And pit dosent have armor :D.

 

[UncleSam]

Links shield isnt even AS CLOSE to the size of pits. Pits shield is 2 or 3 times bigger than links.
Therefore it dosent serve the same purpose, and handling a giant shield in a melee battle can screw you up.

rofl you're making it seem bigger than it actually is dood
at most 1.15x bigger
Link's shield is the size of Pit's torso, when Pit stands up his shield is also the size of his torso but barely larger

Take pit's blade from that image and divide it by two. Thats how small pit's blade is.

I did...

What ever, if roy is 15, pit can be at maximum 17-18, wich really dosent make a big differece.

And, pit uses bow/shield/single/dual sword, meaning he has less experience on melee swords battle then roy :D.

How? he's used a variety of different weapons unlike Roy who just uses a sword, again Pit has more options than roy does giving him the advantage

 

[Crystanium]

As much as I like Pit, I don't see him winning this round. Pit does have a Mirror Shield and a helmet, but he lacks the cuirass, or breastplate that Roy has. Arrows are not an option here, unless Pit somehow got at a distance. Otherwise, Roy has the range. The Mirror Shield doesn't look like it will be effective here, because it's large, and we can't change it to the size as shown in Brawl, because it's already been made up that we're basing the shield size off the original game. If we went by the shield size as mentioned in Brawl, Pit would probably have this, but we can't change shield size around to benefit Pit. It wouldn't be fair.

 

[UncleSam]

As much as I like Pit, I don't see him winning this round. Pit does have a Mirror Shield and a helmet, but he lacks the cuirass, or breastplate that Roy has. Arrows are not an option here, unless Pit somehow got at a distance. Otherwise, Roy has the range. The Mirror Shield doesn't look like it will be effective here, because it's large, and we can't change it to the size as shown in Brawl, because it's already been made up that we're basing the shield size off the original game. If we went by the shield size as mentioned in Brawl, Pit would probably have this, but we can't change shield size around to benefit Pit. It wouldn't be fair.

we're basing it off of the original game?

 

[Emperor Time]

Could've sworn we were using the large, cumbersome mirror shield.

 

[UncleSam]

I remember last night lol
I had said that the shield covers pits body when he crouches I think you guys missed that...
CHERRIM!

 

[Emperor Time]

Ooo, yeah. Dryn. Pit doesn't have arrows, sawn.

No magix.

@Sam
I don't really see how Pit blocking a strike really put's him in any sort of advantageous position. Yeah, he didn't get hit, but Roy is still quite far away, so countering wouldn't work.

I remember last night when we were arguing about the properties of the shield >_>

 

[UncleSam]

Ooo, yeah. Dryn. Pit doesn't have arrows, sawn.

No magix.

and Roy doesn't have t3h pH1r3

@Sam
I don't really see how Pit blocking a strike really put's him in any sort of advantageous position. Yeah, he didn't get hit, but Roy is still quite far away, so countering wouldn't work.

remember Pit has more options than Roy if Roy strikes, he becomes open, if Roy blocks he becomes open

I remember last night when we were arguing about the properties of the shield >_>

polished metal has the same effect as glass.
the only reason it's called the mirror shield is because in Kid icarus you need it to reflect medusa's stare
this can be applied to polished metal and glass

^^ this

 

[Emperor Time]

Saying Roy is open after a strike is absurd. Not only does he space, he positions himself so that the only possible way I could see Pit getting within kill range is by rushing.

Meaning, he blocks the hit, ditches the shield, and attempts to get in Roy's face.
By that time, Roy's already stuck his sword into Pit's heart.

Gg.

 

[UncleSam]

Saying Roy is open after a strike is absurd. Not only does he space, he positions himself so that the only possible way I could see Pit getting within kill range is by rushing.

Meaning, he blocks the hit, ditches the shield, and attempts to get in Roy's face.
By that time, Roy's already stuck his sword into Pit's heart.

Gg.

He doesn't have to ditch the shield you still have the mindset of "the shield is as big as pit is" Roy strikes and Pit blocks w/ the shield and can run up while pushing Roy's sword out of the way w/ his shield and strike back...
as I've been saying Pit has more options than Roy does in this match giving him the advantage

 

[tocador]

rofl you're making it seem bigger than it actually is dood
at most 1.15x bigger
Link's shield is the size of Pit's torso, when Pit stands up his shield is also the size of his torso but barely larger


I did...


How? he's used a variety of different weapons unlike Roy who just uses a sword, again Pit has more options than roy does giving him the advantage

Ok Shield issue is over, its useless in melee battle so its out of the fight.

Bow's arent allowed too so pit lost 2 weapons all ready.

If he uses the single blade he is going to be at a disadvantageous position as he has no armor and cant endure a single hit from roy.

So all the weapons pit have are his dual swords, so no variety on the battle, just the "sword vs sword" battle.

And yeah, the dual sword are reall short.

His normal sword is a little 1/3 smaller then roys, and when you get the dual sword, you get very small swords to fight with, witch really will fail against roy's nimble and ranged sword.

 

[Emperor Time]

If their swords clash, Roy can simply overpower Pit and breakthrough.

Dead.

Be back in 2 hours ~_~