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What if Mewtwo understood the principles behind friction and applied it to Samus's movement, Adumbrodeus?
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Pretty much, things like that. Would even require much power or precision. I actually mentioned using it selectively earlier in the match-up.What if Mewtwo understood the principles behind friction and applied it to Samus's movement, Adumbrodeus?
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Not really.
We talked about this before actually, as far as telekinesis goes, mewtwo has obviously shown a great deal of precision when it comes to the psi tornado that I referenced to so many times.
Again, controlling air currents is extremely difficult because they're so difficult to understand dynamically (why do you think weather reporting is so inaccurate?).
Again, compare pinching an artery to creating a tornado, we've got the energy resources to do both, but which can humans do?
But, even things like the levitation trick show a great deal more precision then Gorea showed with psionics, even if we assume that those blasts were psionic.
We just pit them like they are in their games. No need to overthink videogame stuff.Mew is around the same overall power as mewtwo.
But is there any evidence that either USED psionics against Samus?
Gorea just was shown to be able to do use it to transfer messages, he never showed any offensive psionics or defensive psionics.
Same with Phantoon, the psionics were just to manifest itself and to interact with mother brain.
Gorea's attacks and at least 3 of Mother Brain's attacks.
Ummm, just because the chozo are psionic that doesn't imply that samus is.
Because she was transfered Chozo blood and body parts and that gave her all of their abilities.
Evidence?
She never demonstrated this except with direct interaction with the chozo ghosts, which means that they as the psionic, but doesn't say anything about samus.
See above. She also can transform her own body into energy, like the Chozo. Which would require a whole lot of precision considering you would need to change your composition to molecular levels.
Again, there doesn't seem to be any real indication that the attacks are psionic in nature.
Even if they were, none of the above ever demonstrated the precision that mewtwo has with it, it just seemed to be raw blasts. And the precision is the real killer here.
Sending a message through the whole universe and send them direcly into the most powerful hunter's minds seems pretty pretty precise to me.
Also, concentrating your psychic attacks so you can damage the most powerful power suit in fiction.
Even if you were right here, you're sort of ignoring a very important point, mewtwo's telekinesis is just as big a killer as his telepathy, and samus has NO defense against it unless she's shown telekinetic powers herself.
She has Chozo blood, and they were psychic.
Ummm, no.
I already explained this, it works, up to the point where a contradiction occurs, only in those cases do we ignore actual physics. Otherwise, we have no base to work on whatsoever.
What I mean by that is it's just as logical to assume that everyone in the pokemon universe is a non-copereal entity and is unaffected by all samus' weapons, as an other situation. Any one of an endless array of world physics set-ups would work.
So, we really can't knock out RL, because then we have literally nothing to work with, so it's RL with "a wizard did it" in cases of contradictions.
mother brain's case, SURVIVE the most powerful psionic blast in the universe.
So, when a person throws a pokeball, canonically the HUD appears?And we already went over this previosly. Gameplay mechanics are important as my post earlier said, and Gorea's and mother brain's situation is the same as with Mewtwo.
Ummm, there's no evidence that it's psionic in nature. Regardless, shooting a raw blast of energy is NOT a precision move, it's shooting a blast of energy. There is no fine manipulation.Mother concentrates her psionic energy as shown when her brain lights up when charging the Hyper Beam and shoots the only concentrated blast capable of crippling a fully upgraded Samus.
There's no evidence that the barriers were psionic in nature.And Gorea was powerful enough to send a message through all of the universe, that means EVERYTHING that exists and only a psionic lock as strong as his, made by a civilization of psychics could lock his powers. AND he even showed and ability to create barriers around him that prevented Samus from randomly shooting at him.
If you're correct in that, then it's an example of "Did you just punch out Cthulhu?"But Samus could still harm them, her suit could still resist their attacks, and in mother brain's case, SURVIVE the most powerful psionic blast in the universe.
If we don't think about the implications of their abilities, then our match-up ratio is WAY off.We just pit them like they are in their games. No need to overthink videogame stuff.
1) Use your logic and flexibility of mind, the most unrealistic and ulikely gameplay mechanics are obviously there to facilitate programing and make for a fun experience, while the most likely or constantly refferred to mechanics by the NPC's stay.So, when a person throws a pokeball, canonically the HUD appears?
Is the backback in the pokemon games actually a computer screen, and the items themselves have no physical presence?
Whenever a battle starts are there random flashes of light? That would have to be really annoying to people sleeping.
What about random constant music?
What do those all have in common? Game mechanics.
They're contradicted as occurring in every other form of Pokemon canon (as is the 4 move limit, and the idea that pokemon are limited to only "attacks" even though trainers use them that way), so why should we consider game mechanics at all?
It's obvious that they're "for the game only" and have no bearing on the game world unless explicitly designated otherwise.
Ummm, there's no evidence that it's psionic in nature. Regardless, shooting a raw blast of energy is NOT a precision move, it's shooting a blast of energy. There is no fine manipulation.
If there was, mother brain should've won.
There's no evidence that the barriers were psionic in nature.
The only psionic attribute he was confirmed to have is the ability to send messages. So, while he is a very powerful psionic, his power seems incredibly limited as to what he can actually accomplish with it.
If you're correct in that, then it's an example of "Did you just punch out Cthulhu?"
I'd certainly argue that without psionics, in the case of Gorea it's a case of "Did you just punch out Cthulhu?" He's obviously an eldritch abomination with powers far surpassing anything samus has shown canonically.
But of course this is a video game, and samus has to prevail, so the .000000000000000000000000000000000001 % chance that she could win happens, and basically a bridge falls on the opponent, therefore samus wins.
If the match-up were canon Gorea vs. canon samus, that would be about the resulting match-up ratio.
She does with the use of her power armor, the fact that she can transfor herself into pure enrgy and that the blood gave her all of the chozo abilities, without their abilities wouldn't be able to even use the power suit.edit:
If we don't think about the implications of their abilities, then our match-up ratio is WAY off.
Fix your formatting...
The actual attacks are not evidenced as being psionic, you're just making that assumption.
Just like you are making the assumption that a pokemon that has only been shown to shoot blasts of energy in his games and in the show is suddenly god because of psionics.
There's no evidence she got that specific power.
When she transform into a morph-ball, she transforms herself into pure energy, just like the chozo ghosts.
And where's the evidence the chozo ghosts didn't do it? She's never shown this power in any other situation, and certainly not the ability to control psionics.
See above.
If it was activating a latent power, then it's not something she has access to anyway.
See above
It was sent to basically everyone. The most powerful hunters RESPONDED.
Are the attacks psionic?
But again, Gorea vs. Samus = Gorea ***** samus in terms of canonical abilities vs canonical abilities.
Yes they are. He is a being of pure energy, just like the shozo ghosts. And that just shows how powerful the power suit is and how skilled Samus is at using it.
Chozo blood=/=is a chozo, she never displayed their psionic abilities independently.
Screw defense and rocks, full beam pierces through everything it gets in its way and It is as fast as a power beam shot, and it pulverizes everything it touches.....and it has a long range and width.....and freezes mewtwo if it does not kill him.why arent we focusing on what samus could do to mewtwo?
can mewtwo hold a barrier at teh same time as attacking?
in the movie it seemed one or the other...
oh yeah, thatI feel like a quote from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail is needed: What are you gonna do, bleed on me?
A million times this.Screw defense and rocks, full beam pierces through everything it gets in its way and It is as fast as a power beam shot, and it pulverizes everything it touches.....and it has a long range and width.....and freezes mewtwo if it does not kill him.
And if that does not work then the screw attack will do. Samus is invincible, can use it forever and kills every human sized enemy in one hit.
But it says cheats were used in the description so does that even count?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmIL5Yslbo&feature=related
Check this video. Everytime samus attacked while the other was screw attacking, it did nothing. More specificaly, begin at 00:30 and keep watching.
The only thing that can stop the screw attack is a very big foe or another screw attack.
We already explained a lot Marthage, just look at the previous posts.I'm absent for a day doing nothing/studying and this jumbled mess appears....>_>
A-Samus's shots are dead know why?
CONFUSION!!! >_> what then....what then now son?
All the things I looked up and it boils down to Confusion, and the bubble...>_>
I better explain myself......
A Confusion- You know that little move that twists everything around and nothing was as it should....when all of a sudden you're flipped backwards...that's confusion, shots are gonna warped by this BS move and turned around..
The bubble- For everything else Samus decides to throw...>.>
Only to change Samus's color.But it says cheats were used in the description so does that even count?
Confusion to change the projectile *cough cough*We already explained a lot Marthage, just look at the previous posts.
Samus has fought against more powerful psychics than Mewtwo before and can take the most powerful psychic blast in fiction thrice.
And her fully upgraded beam is broken as ****, as well as her screw attack. AND the beam can pierce through anything: walls, armor, energy fields, caparaces, mountains....everything.
AND by extention....the only attack that can pierce through Samus VARIA SUIT ALONE is the fully upgraded beam as shown in Metroid Fusion. If she has any other armor we may as well classify her suit as unbreakable.
Samus wins.
Only to change Samus's color.
Well, in the games and in the manga, the only thing confusion did was throwing an opponent using psychic powers.Confusion to change the projectile *cough cough*
canonically- Mewtwo can absorb energy attacks with that barrier...>.>
^Pokemon the first movie...get some...>.>Well, in the games and in the manga, the only thing confusion did was throwing an opponent using psychic powers.
And barrier only raises Mewtwo's defense, it does not absorb attacks.
I'm sorry, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements made in this thread.Sure, he can create a tornado, but that could just be a show of raw power...and with mewtwo's savage instinct, may be what he allways go for: beating the **** out of opponents with psionics instead of assasinating them.
The mechanics that stand are those that are established in-canon.1) Use your logic and flexibility of mind, the most unrealistic and ulikely gameplay mechanics are obviously there to facilitate programing and make for a fun experience, while the most likely or constantly refferred to mechanics by the NPC's stay.
Ok, I'll give you that.2) Mother Brain was referred as having powerful psionic waves in the manual, and she shoots psyhic attacks and her brain glows when shooting her Hyper beam. And because of her physiology, she most likely have FAR more powerful psionics than Mewtwo.
If he had the telekenetic abilities (remember he only displayed telepathy), then yes. And again, he never SHOWED precise control, wide-beaming a transmission to the entire galaxy is raw power, not control.3) He can shoot blasts of psychic energy just like Mewtwo does in his games. Mewtwo and Gorea without speculation have the same abilities, with speculation they could probably do all the stuff you say psionics can do. Both were shown to have precise psionics, and they are pretty much equal in that part. If you say that Gorea can't be speculated upon, then your whole Mewtwo speculation goes down the drain.
How so?4) You are severely understimating the power suit and the skill samus has. She is basicaly a walking evil alien genocide woman. And her power suit usualy has equal or more health than bosses and has some extremely powerful weaponry. Not counting the fact that Samus the most skilled Hunter in the universe.
Again, the transform is an assisted thing. She is incapable of doing that without the ghosts, or at least hasn't shown that.She does with the use of her power armor, the fact that she can transfor herself into pure enrgy and that the blood gave her all of the chozo abilities, without their abilities wouldn't be able to even use the power suit.
So? That doesn't mean that she transforms into energy to do that, molecular compression is fine.And before you say that the morph ball itself transforms them into energy, take into consideration that all space pirates attempt to replicate it ended up in being crushed because they could not transform into energy.
Why would Mewtwo throw her?if mewtwo ever tries to throw samus, she goes into morphball and doesn't get hurt (weird thing about metroid) and can boost ball to keep mewtwo from re-grabbing her
The problem is actually getting the hit, as I explained MANY times before.All samus needs is
Annihilator beam, hyper beam, nova beam
annihilator homes in no matter what, if it gets moved out of the way it homes back in (as long as there is a target it goes for it, ecehoes has the most broken beam) hyper beam is what she uses in hypermode (duh)
and nova beam=headshot kill
if mewtwo has no brain, because the one he had just exploded, then whats he gonna do?
oh yeah, that
EDIT: imperialist has the same effect
Here's the problem with that assumption, "samus just screw-attacked through the big bang".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmIL5Yslbo&feature=related
Check this video. Everytime samus attacked while the other was screw attacking, it did nothing. More specificaly, begin at 00:30 and keep watching.
The only thing that can stop the screw attack is a very big foe or another screw attack.
The point is that psionics allow selective deflection/countermeasures, which combined with mewtwo's ability to sense samus' actions before they occur, mean that she should never ever hit mewtwo.So far it looks like if samus so much as hits mewtwo with one shot of anything mewtwo is down.
Mewtwo is going to have to keep up a barrier (if which we are keeping this canon style) he cannot hold a barrier and attack at the same time, While samus can keep up fire at the barrier and Mewtwo can't do anything but hold up the barrier.
The only point i see Mewtwo winning is if he see's Samus before she see's him, in which he can let off a confusion and then do whatever he wants to her.
Because Psionic powers break all the laws of Physics...Mewtwo could contort Samus any number of ways! that's why it's dangerous....Ok you say mewtwo can crush her with his TK; This MAY be possible if she was not in morph ball(then again it may not since we don't know how much telekinetic force it would take to damage her suit) but if she were to change into morph ball, it would be incredibly difficult(if not impossible) to crush her then since the morph ball is more durable and thus very resistent to crushing by any force. Also, since mother brain's psionic powers may very well be more powerful than mewtwo's, it would be safe to say that the hyper beam can, in fact, damage mewtwo significantly. Mother brain's powers protected her from all of samus' attacks and even regenerated her back when the metroid drained her energy. The hyperbeam, however, was powerful enough to pierce her psionic power's protective/regenerative abilities and defeat mother brain. If the hyperbeam can do that to mother brain, then why not to mewtwo?
all a tornado is is a vortex.....a really big one
Take 1 air mass going ------> thatway (hot/cold)
and another going <------ thatway (cold/hot)
Make said airmasses hit each other so it's almost like rubbing your hands past each other
the result at the "meeting point" can be the air swirling around each other, making a vortex
Its really not too complex, just reallly big. Hell, in the movie he made a **** HURRICANE just by waving his hand. Its all raw power
Just noticed this.And her fully upgraded beam is broken as ****, as well as her screw attack. AND the beam can pierce through anything: walls, armor, energy fields, caparaces, mountains....everything.
AND by extention....the only attack that can pierce through Samus VARIA SUIT ALONE is the fully upgraded beam as shown in Metroid Fusion. If she has any other armor we may as well classify her suit as unbreakable.
Samus wins.
Even if Samus's suit is unable to be broken, Samus herself is inside that suit and IS breakable. What I mean is that take, for example, Mewtwo picking up a large object, like a boulder. Now if Mewtwo takes this boulder and just swings it into Samus with all his might ("raw power" would enable alot of strength, would it not?), Samus herself would go flying and even if her suit did not break, I'm pretty sure samus would melt down at the force of the impact. Even if her shell is invincible, mewtwo doesn't have to try very hard to just throw a gargantuan sized object and nail her with it, which would definitely crush her with the force.AND by extention....the only attack that can pierce through Samus VARIA SUIT ALONE is the fully upgraded beam as shown in Metroid Fusion. If she has any other armor we may as well classify her suit as unbreakable.
hypermode...words
that movie was released in Generation I there was no definite line between physical attacks and special attacks, that's why mewtwo seemed as powerful in the movie, barrier and counter do nothing to samus' beam weaponry^Pokemon the first movie...get some...>.>
. You keep saying thatedit:
Just noticed this.
That gets "lol factor" right there.
It's shown to be able to pierce through the specific mentioned things there, that doesn't mean other things can't stop it, just nothing shown in the game.
And I'm sorry, but those properties don't carry over to the 3D metriod games. The big suggestion there... non-canonical game mechanics (aka, it doesn't look cheesy in a 2D game, but in a 3D game, it does some conveinently forgotten). Yes, it's the same weapon, the wave beam. But since mewtwo's cheif weapon for counter-acting the wave beam would be 189 degrees off waves, or changing it's angle to make it miss, or preventing samus from actually aiming at her with telekenesis, or just crushing the arm canon at the begining it's not really so much of an issue.
As for the suit being indestructable, then how is samus capable of taking damage and dying canonically? Heck, how is the suit capable of being removed surgically? It couldn't. So, your weapons were incapable of harming it, possibly due to a combination of the x infecting it, and the weaponed condition of the suit that Samus was using.
Which means sufficent force WILL crush it.
Again, Canon discussion basic idea, "powerful in the game world =/=powerful against characters from other worlds", being able to block something from the game doesn't mean it can block anything, it just means it can block things with identical attributes, and furthermore only in the manner canonically defined.
it's considered inaccurate now, there was no definite line between physical and special attacks then. samus' beam weapons will go straight through barrier and counter...^Pokemon the first movie...get some...>.>
First of all, you're assuming that Mewtwo can't throw them faster than a Runda. Mewtwo's powers definitely suggest he can throw them with amazing speed and strength. They'd be flying as fast as gunshots, and mewtwo could probably throw many, many at a time. Also, in her games, Samus obviously has to be able to destroy them, so the developers won't make them fly too fast or be too hard to hit. The fact that Samus destroys projectiles thrown at her in her own games doesn't mean that Mewtwo's attacks won't hit her. Also, what about my idea of mewtwo making her aim somewhere else? How can she destroy them now?hypermode...
EDIT: you've never played a metroid game have you?
Samus fights Rundas,
Rundas throws massive blocks of Ice at her,
Samus destroys them
throwing rocks at her won't work
Annihilator beamFirst of all, you're assuming that Mewtwo can't throw them faster than a Runda. Mewtwo's powers definitely suggest he can throw them with amazing speed and strength. They'd be flying as fast as gunshots, and mewtwo could probably throw many, many at a time. Also, in her games, Samus obviously has to be able to destroy them, so the developers won't make them fly too fast or be too hard to hit. The fact that Samus destroys projectiles thrown at her in her own games doesn't mean that Mewtwo's attacks won't hit her. Also, what about my idea of mewtwo making her aim somewhere else? How can she destroy them now?
K I can't really do that right now. Explain?Annihilator beam
play echoes
and you can't look it up?K I can't really do that right now. Explain?
I saw the whole movie this morning, there are tropical stroms more powerful than the storm he created,Mewtwo...
Have Any Of You Seen The Pokemon Movie Where Mewtwo First Appears?
Complete Destruction.