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The Captain Falcon Match-Up General Discussion ~ Week 21 (?)

#HBC | Red Ryu

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35:65 at the worst.

Falcon's Uair is pretty aggravating but I usually try to dair when they go for Uair approaches gotta be careful since dair is bait able.

You can decide on 35:65 or 40:60 either works but the point is Lucario has an advantage.
 

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Hey lordhelmet are you going to the Vayseth tourney? Or one of Tech's Smashfests?

If so I'd like to friendly or MM you and both of us can reflect and get a good final verdict on this MU.

Official LBR ratio is 63.33:36.67 Lucario's favor btw.
 

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Hey lordhelmet are you going to the Vayseth tourney? Or one of Tech's Smashfests?

If so I'd like to friendly or MM you and both of us can reflect and get a good final verdict on this MU.

Official LBR ratio is 63.33:36.67 Lucario's favor btw.
Not likely going, no job and no car johns. I usually get a ride with Demp and L but I don't think they're going so I'll probably have to MM you sometime later.

Atm I'm leaning towards 4-6, we can take a vote if necessary since it seems pretty evenly split between 35-65 and 40-60...
 

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I'm gonna go with 35-65 Lucario's favor.
I don't mean to take away from the subject....

But who are CF's better matchups...?
 

Yung Mei

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Poor Zelda.
That's when they press down+B and turn the MU like... 30:70.
how should i play against shiek? all i do is stay the **** away from her, and do that canceled lag dAir, but do a full hop, and as soon as dAir ends, use uAir. it keeps her at bay apparently.
 

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You've gotta be extremely trigger happy with your shield while against Sheik. She can camp with needles and rack up quite a bit of damage on Falcon if you're not near her at all times. Jumping around the needles isn't exactly smart since she can punish you upon landing with them as well.

Keep the pressure on her. Bair is a good tool for pressuring at lower percents so you can try to avoid getting trapped in some Ftilt/Dtilt/grab combo. Utilt is decent for pressuring, but Sheik has range and speed, like us, so you've gotta be really careful with what you do and avoid getting predictable. Sheik can get around most of our options without much effort.

That being said, Sheik is terrible in the air. As much as I love her air game, it's absolute garbage compared to most characters. Her Fair and Bair are amazing for pressuring, her Uair is decent for punishing characters above her, but her Dair is laughable. It's only good for mind gaming, imo.

That being said, just keep the pressure on her with Falcon. There's not really much Falcon can do against a character like her because she has a projectile; a fairly good damaging racking projectile. So don't give her the opportunity to put it to much use and just stay in her face. Like I said, be really defensive and use your shield as much as possible and you should be alright.
 

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Sorry to interrupt current discussion:

I was wondering if the grab release stuff listed on the front page is 100% guaranteed. I can't seem to get solid results from my testing. Most importantly uair and hyphen smash.
 

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uair is legit, hyphen smash is also legit but they can easily SDI out of it


and you have to boost grab to cg him
 

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Bump.

Final ratio on Lucario? I think it's 4-6 personally but I'm going with 35-65 if no one else says anything.

And if anyone is up for helping me with summaries (see post under OP) please do so!
 

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Lucario? **** them aura spheres and deliver some Yayuhz combos, n drop dat ***** dead.
 

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I'll try one more time...

35-65 or 40-60? I'd like to see some responses shpl0x

I'm going with 40-60, I will post a detailed summary if anyone strongly disagrees.
 

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Player-3 actually plays this game though :S

Please no theory-crafting flame wars consisting of "he r4p3s us" "d00d n0 he d03sn't he sux"
 

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you always say that


but you're always wrong.

the reason lucario beats falcon is because:

auraspheres, his roll, and he can keep you away from him fairly decently with ftilts and fairs

lucarios fastest move is frame 5. his utilt, which starts behind him

get in close to him and you win.

in fact, a perfectly spaced jab is unshieldgrabbable i'm pretty sure
 

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you always say that


but you're always wrong.

the reason lucario beats falcon is because:

auraspheres, his roll, and he can keep you away from him fairly decently with ftilts and fairs

lucarios fastest move is frame 5. his utilt, which starts behind him

get in close to him and you win.

in fact, a perfectly spaced jab is unshieldgrabbable i'm pretty sure
Thats eaisier said then done
 

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There's more reasons than that, P3. But I do agree with you. His roll is the main reason he's a pain to me though. Between him and Wolf, I don't know who's roll is more annoying.
 

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mc pee, matchup discussions are about the frames and stuff, not a players ability to perform it (unless it's like.. frame perfect melee fox lol, but this is brawl everything can be done)
 

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mc pee, matchup discussions are about the frames and stuff, not a players ability to perform it (unless it's like.. frame perfect melee fox lol, but this is brawl everything can be done)
frames wise I dont really any frames with any characters really I just do things randomly :ohwell:
 

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all you have to do agaisnt lucario is shield out of his grab range, and not spotdodge alot


his aerials can be uaired OoS (except for MAYBE perfect fair.. not sure if the uair would reach)

his fsmash can be reacted to, and you can get a free FHN/dair out of it if you have a decent reaction time and think about punishing it

aura spheres are different, but just PS them
 
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