lordhelmet
Smash Master
*agrees with P3*
Too lazy to type right now. On another note, you can mash out of Force Palm.
Too lazy to type right now. On another note, you can mash out of Force Palm.
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The Captain Falcon Match-Up General Discussion ~ Week 21 (?)
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Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
The main reason I find Wolf's to be annoying is because his smashes come out quickly and cover a lot of range, which really screws people over if they try to punish him for rolling. Lucario's roll is definitely better though.
But that doesnt really help your case.
Lucario is a better character than falcon, obviously, and as up close is all we can handle, than, especially in brawl, this matchup is quite a bad one for falcon.
To my standards, though I realise the exact definitions of the ratio are partially personal interpetation, too, thats 35-65 lucario.
It really seems as though the numbers you provide, and the plain idiocy you portrayed a few posts back, actually points out the lack of essence in that statement right there.
As you beeing wrong takes away the base on which you place that statement.
Excuse my lack of words, but, epic fail 2 the max, p-3.
"lol not if you space it right"
That^, was you.
Now never even think of me in a demeaning manner, silly boy.
And dont even get me started about the context you put it in.
And, mind you, I actually agree with you. It could very well be that I dont understand this game at all, but you are not one to point it out, or, as you are, even think that.
With that said, you'll prolly just brush this off with a one-liner, and/or a sign of not caring. But I second that. as srs bizniz = obvsly srs
Let's just say you entertained me today. 9/10
yes i am, as i am clarifying that you have to space the move for it to be safe on block, you can't be right next to them
and you don't understand the game.
maybe you understand the game, but you have no idea what high level play is i guess
and you don't understand the game.
maybe you understand the game, but you have no idea what high level play is i guess
But dude, the same can be said for lucario. (Plus, he can even do it more effectively)
And saying I dont understand what competitive play is, what I'm not fighting, as I dont care, while you say something that shows such lack of knowledge on the matter itself as "lol not if you space it", is irony I can appreciate.
actually most of lucarios moves CAN be punished on block by falcon.
dair hits your shield, you can uair
fair you can uair unless they retreat it
bair... idk i've never actually seen a lucario use it lmao
nair you can probobly AC dair them OoS since they'll either try to spotdodge or grab
fsmash you can dash attack if you buffer it ( not hard considering how long the startup is so you know when it's coming]
ftilt is pretty safe, so is dtilt
utilt is grabbable
usmash is lol
dsmash is dash grabbable
aura spheres are pretty lol though just ps them and slowly close the distance
dair hits your shield, you can uair
fair you can uair unless they retreat it
bair... idk i've never actually seen a lucario use it lmao
nair you can probobly AC dair them OoS since they'll either try to spotdodge or grab
fsmash you can dash attack if you buffer it ( not hard considering how long the startup is so you know when it's coming]
ftilt is pretty safe, so is dtilt
utilt is grabbable
usmash is lol
dsmash is dash grabbable
aura spheres are pretty lol though just ps them and slowly close the distance
True.
But all this proves is that falcon and lucario both have attacks who are, and attacks who are not safe on block.
We already agreed on that. Or, at least, I didnt dissagree, I only pointed out the same can be said for both characters.
The point was, that we both said the same thing, and I am the one who doesnt get this game, according to you.
So, wutz?
Get back on track sexy boys.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Way to kill the thread
Well it's either dead or on topic I don't give a **** which.
Just choose.
Just choose.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Alright guys, seriously. Lets get back to work and leave the rambling for the Social Thread. What're we leaning toward for the ratio?
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I have two people for 40-60 and one for 35-65. No one else posted.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
35:65 is probably more accurate, but I can see 40:60 being decent too. I'm leaning toward 40:60 though, but I'm a bit biased because I've had ****tons of practice with the match-up against PatG and some others.
mlorenzo
Smash Journeyman
35-65 going twice
lordhelmet
Smash Master
That's 3-2 lol
Darky "I'm leaning toward 40:60 though"/Me/P3 for 4-6 and 2Knee/Lorenzo for 35-65
EDIT:
**** it, Lucario boards have it as 35-65. Ratio is 35-65 end of vote.
Next on the list is GNW (going by tier list order) anyone have any objections?
Fine by me.
GW is hard but possible if you know how to SDI his Bair/Nair, how to punish the turtle when you shield it and if you don't run into his smashes.
GW is hard but possible if you know how to SDI his Bair/Nair, how to punish the turtle when you shield it and if you don't run into his smashes.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
This. Surprisingly I see people having trouble with these simple things.
2008 G&W is much easier than 2010 G&W.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Dtilt is really homo.
If he spams in the ledge you can up-b and hold down to snag him. On the ground utilt beats it.
If he spams in the ledge you can up-b and hold down to snag him. On the ground utilt beats it.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
I love the G&W MU. Leaning toward 35:65 for this one. Would say it's higher, but you gotta play really shield campy and grab a lot.
I'll give my reasons later.
I'll give my reasons later.
†Slader7†
Smash Ace
I haven't played any decent GnW for a long time, only Dair spammers >.>
However, I always had trouble punishing GnW's recovery, sometimes I can land a knee on his upB, and other times i can't touch GnW's upB
However, I always had trouble punishing GnW's recovery, sometimes I can land a knee on his upB, and other times i can't touch GnW's upB
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Don't mess with G&W's up-b.
And yeah you gotta play pretty campy to beat G&W.
And yeah you gotta play pretty campy to beat G&W.
..what ?
Lionman
Smash Champion
G&W is imposible
lordhelmet
Smash Master
You said the vote was in favor of 35-65 when it was leaning in favor of 4-6 by 3-2
I wasnt saying, I was asking.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Well it doesn't matter because I went with it anyway :3
mlorenzo
Smash Journeyman
I think this mu is 40-60 or 35-65 GnW.
GnW annoying moves
Turtle is easy to sdi and punish with a knee or any other aerial
Nair- they can use it to keep us away or as a combo move
D-tilt- they can use it to keep us away. Best option against it is jump over it or uptilt.
U-tilt- thats the move that can rack 20% or more if falcon is at 0.
Watch out form Upsmash and try to bait gnw foward air. Gnw foward air is so bad that you can punish it with a knee and if they are a scrub gnw you can falcon punch them if they fair into the stage lol.
GnW annoying moves
Turtle is easy to sdi and punish with a knee or any other aerial
Nair- they can use it to keep us away or as a combo move
D-tilt- they can use it to keep us away. Best option against it is jump over it or uptilt.
U-tilt- thats the move that can rack 20% or more if falcon is at 0.
Watch out form Upsmash and try to bait gnw foward air. Gnw foward air is so bad that you can punish it with a knee and if they are a scrub gnw you can falcon punch them if they fair into the stage lol.