Veril
Frame Savant
On stages like japes you are more often in a position to grab someone off the ledge. Since that is a great Jiggs stage, and the water cancels the rest, the wario release combo might be useful.
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The Jigglypuff...grab release thread? (lol wut?)
- Thread starter MrEh
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MrEh
Smash Hero
In that case, Wario is proper screwed. 
Also, I never thought of Japes. The water stopping your Rest makes me remember something. When I was testing ledge releases, I think I was able to Rest Shiek out of a ledge jump release. I didn't think it was practical at the time, since it would kill Jiggs.
Now that you mention the water though, I think you may be able to Rest Sheik out of a jump release at the ledge. If you fast fall and have perfect timing, I think it may be possible. Plus, if you mess up, the water will save you! XD
Also, I never thought of Japes. The water stopping your Rest makes me remember something. When I was testing ledge releases, I think I was able to Rest Shiek out of a ledge jump release. I didn't think it was practical at the time, since it would kill Jiggs.
Now that you mention the water though, I think you may be able to Rest Sheik out of a jump release at the ledge. If you fast fall and have perfect timing, I think it may be possible. Plus, if you mess up, the water will save you! XD
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Nice, that should be pretty epic. I can see the usesIn that case, Wario is proper screwed.
Also, I never thought of Japes. The water stopping your Rest makes me remember something. When I was testing ledge releases, I think I was able to Rest Shiek out of a ledge jump release. I didn't think it was practical at the time, since it would kill Jiggs.
Now that you mention the water though, I think you may be able to Rest Sheik out of a jump release at the ledge. If you fast fall and have perfect timing, I think it may be possible. Plus, if you mess up, the water will save you! XD
EWING
Smash Apprentice
awesome thread... ive been screwing with grs for a while with jiggs and i was wondering if the fsmash was always consistent with wario.
also where is your sig from. i must know.
also where is your sig from. i must know.
MrEh
Smash Hero
It might work on Fox as well. I'll test it again...
The Fsmash will always work on Wario out of a jump release. Just mash your Cstick. It won't sweetspot though, which makes it kind of useless.
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Veril
Frame Savant
Poor fox. The rest techniques destroy him already.
Glick
Smash Lord
I love how metaknight is the only one fair sweet spots off the ledge. This will kill him at like... 50?
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah it will. Yeayah.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Maybe at a little higher percent, but yeah. It still kills pretty early.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Awww hellz yeah. Does ledge rest work at all? Cause that would just be an amazing taunt.Maybe at a little higher percent, but yeah. It still kills pretty early.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Not on Meta.
It's not guaranteed, but I've managed to land it on Shiek several times. If Shiek jumps, which is very easy to force on Japes, since she'll land in the water otherwise, she can get hit by it super easily.
I'm still trying to test whether or not it works without her jumping. Because I think I can, but I'm just a few frames off. ><
Veril
Frame Savant
If Shiek falls in the water we have a bunch of ways to mess her up.Not on Meta.
It's not guaranteed, but I've managed to land it on Shiek several times. If Shiek jumps, which is very easy to force on Japes, since she'll land in the water otherwise, she can get hit by it super easily.
I'm still trying to test whether or not it works without her jumping. Because I think I can, but I'm just a few frames off. ><
MrEh
Smash Hero
Then I guess it's a win win situation either way.
If you hit Shiek, then she suffers massive damage. If you miss, then she probably fell in the water. If she tries her Uair, I think you can Perfect Rest though that.
So yeah, good fun all around against Shiek on Japes.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Nice, so Japes is amazing for another reason on Sheik.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Still trying to test it on Fox.
The thought of killing the furry in such a way intrigues me...
illinialex24
Smash Hero
That would be epic. And remember, this isn't gonna be a valid kill option on Japes, but a damage one, because Japes sucks for rest. The ceiling is way too high.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Yeah, I know. All that Bowser talk makes me dislike Japes. (Well, at least when I'm using Bowser.
)Survivng Bowser's Uair at 95% is pretty sexy.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, the same is true of Fox's U-smash at 90% (tested in training, its true at like 88% because of 5% increased knockback if not stale).Yeah, I know. All that Bowser talk makes me dislike Japes. (Well, at least when I'm using Bowser.
Survivng Bowser's Uair at 95% is pretty sexy.
MrEh
Smash Hero
I think you can survive at even higher damages if you DI like a madman.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I was holding down and dairing. I died at 91% but not 90%.
Veril
Frame Savant
That move is very hard to perfect rest. Its really easy to mess with her up-b though.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Veril
Frame Savant
Yeah, or after/as she appears.
You might want to check out grab-releases on slopes. Grabbing on a slope slanted upwards enough for us to slope-dash causes an instant jump break. The DACUS might work vs. more characters.
BTW, those slopes exist on:
Yoshi's story (Melee), Pirate Ship (landfall), Castle Siege (final part), That crap sonic stage, Parts of Pokemon stadium, the beach in Delfino, etc.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Oh crap, I never thought of this. ><
*runs off to test*
EDIT: Okay, I did some testing on Yoshi's Island. The slope is 90 degrees over there, so I thought it would be a good place to try. Plus, the stage doesn't transform, making the testing quick.
Okay, it looks like Jigglypuff has a WPWALATDSIC DACUS on a few characters, but it's so freaking hard to test this, since the slope screws with a lot of things. And sadly, landing the DACUS depends on the slope, and all of those stages have different slopes.
Peach, Kirby, Ivysaur and Olimar are all viable on Yoshi's Island. I'm not even going to try the transformation stages, I'm not patient enough. ><
So yeah, no guaranteed DACUS here. I'm not even going to bother updating the OP, since this information really doesn't help. Too situational. It was a nice idea though.
Kiki52
Smash Journeyman
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I am very concerned. As nice as Jigglypuff is, I hope she doesn't have an infinite on Ness. Does she have an Infinite on Ness? I looked at the OP and it said it has one thing on Ness, the first one but other characters have more things that Jiggs can do to them that are nasty. So I hope that it means Jigglypuff can grab release anyone but Ness or my other favorite characters don't get the worst of it. I would be much better if Metaknight or Snake or ROB or GaW would get worse stuff to them done by Jiggs instead.
Veril
Frame Savant
Its not an infinite, its just a grab-release regrab. Frustrating and sh**y but not an infinite. It can in certain areas lead directly into a WL rest however, so a grab on any level with a steep enough slope can mean instant death for the Earthbound kids.
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Why are you all dis'n sing, it has its uses, I will prove it.
not with frame data though cause I don't know how to....
I shall find a way to use sing as a sheild!
This is my promise!
Veril
Frame Savant
You're sh**ing me! I'm gonna hold you to that
MrEh
Smash Hero
What Veril said.
Jigglypuff does not pummel fast enough to force multiple ground releases, so this is a pretty crappy chaingrab. The chaingrab has a good use on Lucas though.
If Lucas ground releases, then grab him again. If he jump releases, then DACUS!
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I think she can pummel fast enough but you have to be smart. I just hold shield and continually press A. It works the best.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Me again. You could use rest on sheik at pirate ship methinks....there is water down there after all.
And you forgot another grab release against Wario: Sing. I'm fairly sure it would work. I'm just too lazy to try myself. It's a good way to embarrass him. XD Get Wario to over 100% or what ever the number is -> Grab -> Sing -> Rest
And you forgot another grab release against Wario: Sing. I'm fairly sure it would work. I'm just too lazy to try myself. It's a good way to embarrass him. XD Get Wario to over 100% or what ever the number is -> Grab -> Sing -> Rest
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah but you also have to deal with the fact that on the left side, you can get caught under the boat and die...
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Ike makes it back easily from walk-off Dairing into the water and he doesn't move as quickly as Jigglypuff does in the air. The water doesn't push you that quickly. Just don't be dumb and stay in the water that long and you should be fine.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah you're right. Like my new sig?
rinoH
Smash Lord
its prtty cool
MrEh
Smash Hero
Does the sing hitbox even hit aerial opponents?
No, sing has no affect of aerial opponents doesn't and I'm currently doing research on sing anyways, so DJ Kat, if you have any recommendations for where to guide some of my research please speak up on my profile and I'll see what happens
same goes for anyone who has some helpful ideas to test. In fact I'll be making a sing thread soon with the things I learn, and ways to use them practically.
Of course I've only just started but it will be up in the next week or so.
same goes for anyone who has some helpful ideas to test. In fact I'll be making a sing thread soon with the things I learn, and ways to use them practically.
Of course I've only just started but it will be up in the next week or so.
Yeah, it doesn't, but I was assuming with Wario's grab release, he had to hit the ground before he could do anything. >_> I've never got the chance to use a grab release in my life... well... except for Snake..
Well, other than counter attacks with sing, (like the space animal's phantasm/ illusions) which is absurdly difficult to do anyways, I've got no other idea how to use it. *Shrugs* ... It'd be a nice tech chase if the range was wider, no? >:\No, sing has no affect of aerial opponents doesn't and I'm currently doing research on sing anyways, so DJ Kat, if you have any recommendations for where to guide some of my research please speak up on my profile and I'll see what happens
same goes for anyone who has some helpful ideas to test. In fact I'll be making a sing thread soon with the things I learn, and ways to use them practically.
Of course I've only just started but it will be up in the next week or so.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Wario regains control about halfways before hitting the ground, so it wouldn't work.