TLMarth
Smash Ace
Finding it hard to deal with those dtilts -> fsmash from Marth
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The new Roy Strategem discussion
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exarch
doot doot doot
The only way I know to beat Marth's dtilt is CC. CC grab or dtilt yourself. Beware that if you CC and get tipper dtilted he can usually tipper fsmash you afterward... so shield if you're in poor position. You want to be close enough to him to not get tipper dtilted, since the knockback is that much less, even when CCing.
If he's fsmash spamming bait one and fsmash him back. Since he leans forward when he fsmashes you can actually get the strong hit of yours if you catch him when he's leaning in. Pretty tough and a lot of the time you'll just get your tipper too. Then you just yell "LOL IM MARF TWOO" and it's all good. Also lots of other options if you can bait one out.
If he's spamming dtilt till you jump then fsmashing, mix up fullhops and shorthops. Or triangle jump (lol archaic technique.) Rolling is also not a terrible idea because even though it's not good, it can make marth uncomfortable.
If he's fsmash spamming bait one and fsmash him back. Since he leans forward when he fsmashes you can actually get the strong hit of yours if you catch him when he's leaning in. Pretty tough and a lot of the time you'll just get your tipper too. Then you just yell "LOL IM MARF TWOO" and it's all good. Also lots of other options if you can bait one out.
If he's spamming dtilt till you jump then fsmashing, mix up fullhops and shorthops. Or triangle jump (lol archaic technique.) Rolling is also not a terrible idea because even though it's not good, it can make marth uncomfortable.
Pi
Smash Hero
lol you don't fight marth w/ roy
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
Played a lot of Fox vs. Roy and Luigi tonight.
Fox matchup...try to CC a lot(and end up failing a lot in the process >_<, thanks shine) and make every edgeguard count.
Luigi matchup...if you ever get an opportunity to even just tap him, take that opportunity. Every % counts against this CC'ing douche =(...
Fox matchup...try to CC a lot(and end up failing a lot in the process >_<, thanks shine) and make every edgeguard count.
Luigi matchup...if you ever get an opportunity to even just tap him, take that opportunity. Every % counts against this CC'ing douche =(...
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
vs luigi you should probably just switch to marth, really bad matchup.
fox is my hard matchup right now. I'm really good vs falcos though. anything really fast i'm bad against.
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
Hmm...I'm the opposite way. I get ***** by Falco, but do ok against Fox. Mind you, I just recently picked him up as my low tier main, so I'll be working on the Falco matchup. Just sucks that the Falco I play against is underatedly(yeah, I know, wrong) good with pressure, the Fox I play with used to be one of the most technical of Foxes, and at this point throwing out a lot of hitboxes ruins me xD...doesn't help that he's smart too, and then arguably the Midwest's best Marth >_<...Guess I can't complain though, it's good practice.
And yeah, I actually main Falcon and have no desire to ever play Marth seriously. I don't really enjoy characters that are awkwardly floaty in the top tiers. Ex: Marth, Sheik, Puff(although I play Sheik a lot from time to time...there's a reason it's time to time...I get sick of her movement and then quit playing her xD)
I dunno...I have a huge problem with playing against CC abusers, so I think playing Roy will help me work on that problem ^_^ Plus, his movement is like my favorite in the game. Only gripe I have is suiciding when trying to do a ledgehop wavedash. I mess it up too much =/
And yeah, I actually main Falcon and have no desire to ever play Marth seriously. I don't really enjoy characters that are awkwardly floaty in the top tiers. Ex: Marth, Sheik, Puff(although I play Sheik a lot from time to time...there's a reason it's time to time...I get sick of her movement and then quit playing her xD)
I dunno...I have a huge problem with playing against CC abusers, so I think playing Roy will help me work on that problem ^_^ Plus, his movement is like my favorite in the game. Only gripe I have is suiciding when trying to do a ledgehop wavedash. I mess it up too much =/
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
Because I know mostly what to do I think xP I just gotta work on knowing when people are going to CC, and dealing with pressure. Idk, I guess I also just in general have to work on my spacing + mindgames game because I just feel uber predictable with every character I use, and that's definitely not a good thing when I play as Roy lol. But I'll keep that in mind next time I have any questions =) Thanks for extending a helping hand =D
Ripple
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you have no idea, I assure you. roy has quite a learning curve actually. lolz
ruhtraeel
Smash Ace
Wow, I just realized Roy gets ***** by 3/4 of the cast. As a Falco main, I was looking for a fun alt other than Fox to cover some of Falco's harder matchups. I found the fun part, cause it suits me more than Marth, having a quicker SHFFL and less spammy attacks, but I guess I can't use him as a real secondary -_-
Palpi
Smash Hero
Falco is the best character in the game, so just use him...you don't need a secondary...especially if you already secondary fox....personal preference on who to use.
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
correction: he gets ***** by 1/4 of the cast and has a slight disadvantage to the rest. but still pretty bad. lol.
Pi
Smash Hero
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I forgot Roy existed.
Time to start messing around with him in training mode.
Time to start messing around with him in training mode.
exarch
doot doot doot
FFFFFFFF
I lost.
I lost.
painlord k11
Smash Journeyman
roys best team mate is another roy........ double roy ftw! =D
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
it's funny to have 2 roy's covering all recovery options with fsmash on YS
also that graph is amazing
kingofkings97
Smash Cadet
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Roy is the best charcter to ever be in a super smash bros game
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
I ken combo'd a peach with Roy last night, then I proceeded to stand up and pelvic thrust. Life is good.
Ripple
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I do that when I land a move on peach
Pi
Smash Hero
rofl .
Palpi
Smash Hero
Was it Alex? If so, I'll yell at him.
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
Na, it was another peach (we have a lot of them up here) named Dark (not a common tag at all). I'll try it on him on friday though, maybe give you a reason to yell at him.
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
If the falcon is used to playing marth's it's a good bonus for you as Roy combos differently.
But aside for switching up his **** combo, you want to DD and try to bait his approach. If you're reaction time is good enough, you can sideB away all of his aerials. WD back dtilt ***** nearly all of falcon's approaches. Also falcon gets combod really well, so pay attention to when you can get a grab.
Pi
Smash Hero
yea sideb ***** falcon's approaches lol, it's pretty funny
tech chase him like a boss, get him off the stage, and then he's dead
i was playing my friends falcon last night and got some near miss **** combo's
i was so hype even though they missed
tech chase him like a boss, get him off the stage, and then he's dead
i was playing my friends falcon last night and got some near miss **** combo's
i was so hype even though they missed
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
Pi
Smash Hero
gonna save my outlook on roy till i fight a peach/samus but so far i'm quite happy with what he can do
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
Palpi
Smash Hero
I pooped on you with ganon the first time we played lol
Matt07
Smash Master
Roy vs my friends Falco makes me sad 
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Such a difficult match-up for me, haha.
.Such a difficult match-up for me, haha.
Pi
Smash Hero
i'll probably use samus for IC/peach/samus if i end up dreading those matchups
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
So in addition to d-tilt and DED variations (and grab I guess), jab is one of Roy's best moves.
(Up-smash is pretty amazing too.)
Discuss?
(Up-smash is pretty amazing too.)
Discuss?
Pi
Smash Hero
upsmash ?
exarch
doot doot doot
upsmash is amazing.
why not just dtilt again though?
why not just dtilt again though?
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
up smash is an awesome attack. it comes out fairly fast and has a good knockback. also it has fire, and that's all that matters.