The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0

[adumbrodeus]

DK is starting to get results though, at least in some regions. And as far as I know most of the players who are doing well with him don't have a secondary that they use often. To me that means that the DDD infinite just isn't coming into play that often.

Take a look where the DK mains are from...


Yes, there's multiple great DKs like Will and Cable, but they're all Atlantic North players.


Honestly, AN results (at least DK results) aren't comparable because the the infinite is ALWAYS banned over here, it's just a different metagame.

 

[cHeWe]

Im sure we could agree Miley Cyrus is about bottom of E tier?

agreed, although she is still ahead of the likes of britney spears whos metagame hasnt developed at all recently. Im expecting a rise from Lady gaga though, possibly to top tier?

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

I find it funny how every character who suffers heavily from being grabbed will invariably become a character who's "Not that easy to grab." Against DDD of all people, too.

Just how many of DK's moves could DDD grab him out of on a powershield? Because I'm willing to bet it's quite a few.

 

[mountain_tiger]

DK is harder to grab than people think and although it's not SBR banned the infinite has been banned more and more lately.

Ganon blows regardless of if he's being camped.

Being 'harder to grab than people think' isn't good enough when faced against a character where one grab = death. With IC infinites they have a really small grab range, and they can't infinite once they're separated (they're still mad good, mind you, but not unbeatable for most characters). In DK vs DDD, the threat is constantly there.

And some tournaments may ban the infinite, but since, as you said, SBR hasn't banned the infinite (and is unlikely to do so anytime soon), the ruleset of using the infinite is what's counted in the tier list...

 

[humble]

In the majority of all tournaments, the infinite is allowed. And if your opponent has bothered to spend five minutes learning DDDs infinite, which isn't hard at all, they have an instant CP character that will completely shut down DK. The plain fact is that the matchup is very very very unwinnable for DK. With DDDs ridiculous grab range, at some point in the match he will land a grab. And when he does, its a stock. That is just horrible, and DK must space moves perfectly to avoid getting shield grabbed. His options in that matchup are so horrible, that you stand a better chance of winning against M2K's meta then you do against a DDD who knows how to infinite you. DK is not harder to grab than people think, he is a fat *** ape. Sure he has some good range on some moves, but he is very easily grabbable. He isn't wario, he can't get by not getting grabbed. A DK needs to use a secondary because otherwise they will lose every match they play. Why? Because the CP system. Say for example, that you win the first match as DK against their snake. Well you go DK again because think you don't need secondaries as DK, and you are on a mission. Guess what your opponent does? They pick DDD, and they take you to final destination...GG buddy. Any round DK goes up against DDD he will lose, and a good character who is guaranteed a lose every game is crippled, and drops down. He is where he should be.

 

[zeldspazz]

Now hold on. Can someone explain to me why DDDs infinite is a stock if the stage ends and CG has to stop?

 

[Luigi player]

Now hold on. Can someone explain to me why DDDs infinite is a stock if the stage ends and CG has to stop?

uhh... because it's an infinite and not just a normal CG maybe?

 

[humble]

Now hold on. Can someone explain to me why DDDs infinite is a stock if the stage ends and CG has to stop?

As Luigi Player said, it is an infinite. Wherever he grabbed you, that is where you will be standing for a while. He doesn't move while infiniting DK, so even if you are standing right on the edge, he will just laugh and continue the infinite to the cap of 300% and then finish with a throw towards the nearest boundary. Essentially it goes like this; DDD stands around shielding, DK tries to space moves on shield, DDD eventually lands a grab, infinites him to 300%, and kills him. A grab is a stock, and if it weren't for the 300% cap then DDD could just stall till the end of the match.

 

[zeldspazz]

As Luigi Player said, it is an infinite. Wherever he grabbed you, that is where you will be standing for a while. He doesn't move while infiniting DK, so even if you are standing right on the edge, he will just laugh and continue the infinite to the cap of 300% and then finish with a throw towards the nearest boundary. Essentially it goes like this; DDD stands around shielding, DK tries to space moves on shield, DDD eventually lands a grab, infinites him to 300%, and kills him. A grab is a stock, and if it weren't for the 300% cap then DDD could just stall till the end of the match.

K thanks. I didnt know that DDD didnt move while CGing DK.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Well, actually the implication of that line of reasoning is that you place more weight on who they do well against and by how much then who they do badly against and by how much. Subtle, but there.

Tue but due to how subtle it is, there would be no point in complicating the matter further when you can just se how good the character is by themselves.

Obviously any character would benefit from having a secondary such as MK.
It doesnt change the existence of those bad matchups.

Edit: If I remember correctly Dk gets small stepped CG'ed? Or was that Bowser? Don't remember.

 

[NatP]

That's bowser.

 

[Luigi player]

DK can be infinited and small step chaingrabbed...

 

[humble]

Tue but due to how subtle it is, there would be no point in complicating the matter further when you can just se how good the character is by themselves.

Obviously any character would benefit from having a secondary such as MK.
It doesnt change the existence of those bad matchups.

Edit: If I remember correctly Dk gets small stepped CG'ed? Or was that Bowser? Don't remember.

I would have to disagree with what you said. A common mistake many people make is assuming that because Metaknight is the best character in the game, he is the best secondary. This simply isn't true most of the time. A secondary exists to cover your bad matchups, so because meta goes even or better with everyone he is decent in that aspect, but for example G&W may be better against your worst matchups and thus be a better secondary then MK, so what you have to do is go look at your mains matchup charts and find who your worst matchups are, and who does best against them.

Both get small stepped. DK gets infinited, and bowser can be infinited on a ledge. Essentially DDD ***** them. Hard.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I would have to disagree with what you said. A common mistake many people make is assuming that because Metaknight is the best character in the game, he is the best secondary. This simply isn't true most of the time. A secondary exists to cover your bad matchups, so because meta goes even or better with everyone he is decent in that aspect, but for example G&W may be better against your worst matchups and thus be a better secondary then MK, so what you have to do is go look at your mains matchup charts and find who your worst matchups are, and who does best against them.

Except he IS the best secondary.
Due to the nature of MK's matchups, if you start your set off with him, you are guaranteed an advantage of an evenish matchup. This would then eliminate any issues you would then have because you will ALWAYS guarantee you will remain at least on a neutral matchup.
So yes, he is the best secondary.

Simply because of his versatility, which is something EVERYONE underestimates.

It is xactly as Overswarm said, you only face twos scenario's with MK. With any other character you have 3 scenarios PLUS the stage factor.

Regardless, you are still calculating how many bad MU's the character has that you require a secondary to cover for.

Both get small stepped. DK gets infinited, and bowser can be infinited on a ledge. Essentially DDD ***** them. Hard.

They both suck.

 

[DMG]

This has been explained many times. I will explain it again.

Secondaries do not come into play when talking about a tier list. If we are comparing DK vs Dedede, and assume that DK uses a secondary in trouble, say MK, and that Dedede therefore goes to MK as well, we get a 50:50 outcome. Is this really the truth? Is their matchup 50:50? No. Not even close. You can clearly see that DK loses lol.

Secondaries don't come into play because you can just assume for both sides either a matchup that is really close to 50:50 or a matchup ditto. These would not accurately describe/illustrate a character's potential when compared to others, because you aren't even comparing them in the first place if you just start throwing secondaries into the equation.

As for MK being the best secondary...

MK is the SAFEST overall secondary AND character to use. He's the best character in the game, this should be obvious.

It is TRUE that MK will not guarantee you the STRONGEST ADVANTAGE POSSIBLE when it comes to Specific character matchups where you employ him as a secondary. If you are playing against a Donkey Kong and want the strongest possible advantage, it is obvious that the absolute strongest choice to pick is King Dedede. This is the case for a fair number of matchups where MK may not necessarily be the character's worst matchup.


HOWEVER, if you want to play theoretical Hop Scotch, when considering what Secondary character you should use, you also have to factor in the OTHER person choosing a secondary as well.


For example, say you are playing a DK main. You are a Falco main. First round. DK player doesn't like the matchup, calls for a double blind (doesn't matter who calls for a double blind, just illustrating a scenario). Assuming you stay Falco, his strongest choice might be IC's/Marth/some character with the advantage over Falco. Say you know this and you are anticipating his switch to Marth and so you switch to MK.


Marth/IC's/etc was his strongest secondary choice, PROVIDED AND ASSUMING you stayed as Falco. If you are allowed to switch characters, then you have to factor in the opponent's possible choices and counter choices. In THAT situation where both sides are allowed to pick a character, MK is the best overall choice.


Say it is your CP however. You pick FD. Your opponent goes Falco. In this instance, it's clear that the strongest choice would be IC's/someone else that beats him on FD. The problem with this is that these "stronger" Counterpick choices/Secondary choices are not as applicable as an overall spread like MK. Going IC's on FD against Falco is fine, but what if you are up against someone on a stage that IC's struggle on? Who are you going to rely on?

Sure, you could try to pick up a plethora of characters to cover your back at all times, and even THEN it might not be enough to guarantee your safety.


Look at the perspective of the person who is getting CP'd. He has to pick first. His best option, in this spot, is to pick the character that is "safest"/has fewer bad matchups or less severe matchups than the rest of the characters. If you only have 1 55:45 matchup against you, the only way you will be at a disadvantage is if your opponent plays as that exact character. If you have 3 55:45 matchups against you, AND a 6/4 matchup against you, you not only have more characters to worry about, but you also have to worry about a stronger disadvantage being presented to you.


Basically, MK is the best secondary/character to use if you yourself are being CP'd, and he is the best secondary to use if both parties are allowed to choose their character at the same time (first round, DB or not). MK for specific matchups might not be the STRONGEST choice to make, but for the most choice he is the SMARTEST/SAFEST choice to make.

 

[humble]

Sure, you could try to pick up a plethora of characters to cover your back at all times, and even THEN it might not be enough to guarantee your safety.

I main random. Destroy them with mindgaaaaaames. :U
And yes, at that point you aren't using a secondary, you are just maining meta. Which, is the best course of action. Do eet!

 

[da K.I.D.]

Why are some people so misinformed.

Take a look where the DK mains are from...


Yes, there's multiple great DKs like Will and Cable, but they're all Atlantic North players.

That's bowser.

^^^^This guy gets results for DK in another country
Nickcam gets results in Canada
Ripple and Ook always place very high in the midwest.
Bigfoot is also a strong player on the west coast.
but whatever, the only good DK players come from Jersey or NYC right?

I find it funny how every character who suffers heavily from being grabbed will invariably become a character who's "Not that easy to grab." Against DDD of all people, too.

Just how many of DK's moves could DDD grab him out of on a powershield? Because I'm willing to bet it's quite a few.

how many of his moves? I dont know DK that way so I couldnt tell you but what I do know that you cant shield grab bair, unless the DK is bad. and thats probably his best and most used move.

As for characters getting grab ***** being hard to grab, its possible the devs knew that these characters got grab ***** and thus gave them abilities, to counteract this. abilities like stupidly good air speed for wario and squirtle, high ranged low/no lag aerials for ness, or a down b that has more range than ddds f tilt and makes it essentially impossible to grab you for dk.

Its also possible that the character mains understood their characters weaknesses and have thus learned ways to circumvent those failings, similar to how sonic mains have the best mind games, since sonic cant kill for crap.

In the majority of all tournaments, the infinite is allowed. And if your opponent has bothered to spend five minutes learning DDDs infinite, which isn't hard at all, they have an instant CP character that will completely shut down DK. The plain fact is that the matchup is very very very unwinnable for DK. With DDDs ridiculous grab range, at some point in the match he will land a grab. And when he does, its a stock. That is just horrible, and DK must space moves perfectly to avoid getting shield grabbed. His options in that matchup are so horrible, that you stand a better chance of winning against M2K's meta then you do against a DDD who knows how to infinite you. DK is not harder to grab than people think, he is a fat *** ape. Sure he has some good range on some moves, but he is very easily grabbable. He isn't wario, he can't get by not getting grabbed. A DK needs to use a secondary because otherwise they will lose every match they play. Why? Because the CP system. Say for example, that you win the first match as DK against their snake. Well you go DK again because think you don't need secondaries as DK, and you are on a mission. Guess what your opponent does? They pick DDD, and they take you to final destination...GG buddy. Any round DK goes up against DDD he will lose, and a good character who is guaranteed a lose every game is crippled, and drops down. He is where he should be.

if youve never played ddd before and you just learned the infinte timing and nothing else about the character. thats akin to an IC player having perfect timing on all their cgs but never learning anything else with the character (including how to get the grabs in the first place) if you try to approach a match that way, any of the good DKs will probably obliterate you. sure DK is fat, he definitely has a lot that he can do to blast people that are just trying to sit around and wait for grabs all day. Trust me Ive tried it, didnt work out so well...

not to say that its not a awful matchup that people should never play, but you people are seriously over estimating the ease of use for something like this in a tournament situation.

As Luigi Player said, it is an infinite. Wherever he grabbed you, that is where you will be standing for a while. He doesn't move while infiniting DK, so even if you are standing right on the edge, he will just laugh and continue the infinite to the cap of 300% and then finish with a throw towards the nearest boundary. Essentially it goes like this; DDD stands around shielding, DK tries to space moves on shield, DDD eventually lands a grab, infinites him to 300%, and kills him. A grab is a stock, and if it weren't for the 300% cap then DDD could just stall till the end of the match.

or he could just do a down tilt after the down throw which will probably kill at about under 200 fresh... the only time ive ever seen a ddd chaingrab any character past 200 was against ally's snake because he was being a *** with his DI

Both get small stepped. DK gets infinited, and bowser can be infinited on a ledge. Essentially DDD ***** them. Hard.

bowser and DK both get the standing infinite, they both get the small step, they both get infinited at the ledge and they both get a guaranteed down tilt after the throw.

 

[DMG]

DK mains should not place well. Not because of their lack of skill (because it's obvious they are quite good), but because not enough people play Dedede proficiently around them.

DK right now is "artificially" viable because of a lack of counters being introduced in tournament. Same thing for Ness/other similar characters. It's weird, at least for Brawl, that those counters don't come up as often as they probably should.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Isn't Will_ a good DK from the Atlantic South?

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Isn't Will_ a good DK from the Atlantic South?

no he is from the Atlantic North

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

no he is from the Atlantic North

There's two of them one Will and another Will_

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Y9SSe5O_Q


Old vid but thats him.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

There's two of them one Will and another Will_

well thats just confusing

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

well thats just confusing

yeah i know it is pretty confusing.

 

[Dark.Pch]

This game for competition is seriously stupid. And the worst Part about it is, people in the community set the rules and w/e for competitive smash. Not the game or the creator himself.

You boys allow a stupid tactic on DK who is seriously a good character. And that crap can't be shown well cause of a stupid infinite. People are gonna get grabbed. Face facts. The Perfect Peach could lose a stock to an IC that chain grabs. They will get grabbed. People make mistakes all the time. You can perfect with your character, But not as a player in general. **** happens. Really in this crappy game for competition.

And something else I noticed. people allow the infinite too 300%? What in the world is that gonna do. What good is it o let it last THAT LONG? One weak/stupid hit or throw and its over?
That's why I say this garbage is seriously not worth playing for money. I rathe fight 3 cheesy iron mans in MVC2 thendeal with this crap.

People make this game what it is for competition. You think they do a better job trying to make it fair and fun. But the only thing they are doing is carring about themselves and the money. I swear this game and this community sometimes seriously makes me sick.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

This game for competition is seriously stupid. And the worst Part about it is, people in the community set the rules and w/e for competitive smash. Not the game or the creator himself.

You boys allow a stupid tactic on DK who is seriously a good character. And that crap can't be shown well cause of a stupid infinite. People are gonna get grabbed. Face facts. The Perfect Peach could lose a stock to an IC that chain grabs. They will get grabbed. People make mistakes all the time. You can perfect with your character, But not as a player in general. **** happens. Really in this crappy game for competition.

And something else I noticed. people allow the infinite too 300%? What in the world is that gonna do. What good is it o let it last THAT LONG? One weak/stupid hit or throw and its over?
That's why I say this garbage is seriously not worth playing for money. I rathe fight 3 cheesy iron mans in MVC2 thendeal with this crap.

People make this game what it is for competition. You think they do a better job trying to make it fair and fun. But the only thing they are doing is carring about themselves and the money. I swear this game and this community sometimes seriously makes me sick.

You argument would be more convincing if you brought up magneto storm sentinel and cable.

 

[Espy Rose]

Let's play against 3 Cables/Magnetos/Sentinels/Storms :DD

 

[Dark.Pch]

You argument would be more convincing if you brought up magneto storm sentinel and cable.

Ether way you put it, it is still broken.

 

[DMG]

I have no problem with Dedede's Infinite being banned AS LONG AS the people who ban it/advocate the ban admit that it doesn't fall under the same types of criteria that things like the MK ban or IDC were subjected to, and that the criteria people use to ban Dedede's CG is decided by them in the first place.

If you want something banned, and you ban it under guidelines that differ from the "regular" things that are banned or discussed for a ban, then at least admit that your criteria for the ban is completely different than the majority of stuff. Banning his infinite to improve attendance/increase the viability of just a few characters in question would be an example of banning something with different than normal criteria.

 

[Shenlong]

Mag#$%^@#$neto with his curleh mustache, make it rain, mango sentinel, and cable have to be the most broken foursome in fighting game history.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I have no problem with Dedede's Infinite being banned AS LONG AS the people who ban it/advocate the ban admit that it doesn't fall under the same types of criteria that things like the MK ban or IDC were subjected to, and that the criteria people use to ban Dedede's CG is decided by them in the first place.

If you want something banned, and you ban it under guidelines that differ from the "regular" things that are banned or discussed for a ban, then at least admit that your criteria for the ban is completely different than the majority of stuff. Banning his infinite to improve attendance/increase the viability of just a few characters in question would be an example of banning something with different than normal criteria.

It's not our jobs to make things legit. It's the BBR job. thats why the BRR exsist and we can't see what goes on in there. Only "Special people" And for stuff like this, this is why people can really see the true potential of characters. A freaking noob could just learn how to do this skillless grab and beat top players and think he is somebody in the community or actually good. Still a pitiful player in my eyes with no skills. Too much noobs can get away with to show "skills" in this game

And since people wanna win at any cost, when they face a DK, they can just pick DDD and chain grab his ***. DK gets screwed for no reason at all. Oh wait, there is a reason, cause of you guys allowing this nonsense. Then people wanna **** on DK? Like are you seriously with this? Same with Planking. pound 4 is allowing that from what I heard? If so, it is seriously stupid and all people gonna do. Wow can'tt wait to see such great skills from this game. It's gonna be awsome.

This game takes lil to no skills at all to get good at. and there is too much prove of this. Cause people allowing this crap. I dare ask what the heck do you boys think about when you make these stupid rules and allow garbage. I kept this in for so long but I had enough of it. Seriously what do you boys go for. Why is there even a BBR with people if you boys can't even get things right?

 

[<π]

You guys are just being funny now. What does DK D3 have to do with MK? what does banning D3's infinite have to do with MK?

The big problem, I think. Is that the boards are flooded with people who don't play competitively but want to make rules for tourneys they won't enter and voice their opinions on match ups they haven't played.

D3 is obviously a strong character amazing kill power and survivability. good range and speed, and not just for his size but over all. Great defensive and offensive match ups. Despite this he does see a few bad match ups higher up the teir list. D3 being the big one. 1 bad match up in a character that doesn't really see much play now-a-days isn't going to drastically drop him. Especially if the infinite is banned.

As a sheik main I don't go into tourney afraid someone is going to try and couter me randomly with pika. If you don't understand how to play the character you are countering with against a skilled opponent you might as well just give them the match.

/shrug

My take on things.

 

[DMG]

The issue isn't why we allow it, but rather is it "gay enough" to warrant a ban. For Dedede's Infinite, that only affects a few characters, I think the majority of us think it's not worth a ban.

If Planking ONLY affected the Viability of DK, Luigi, Mario, etc, would we ban it? Think about it.

As for planking being allowed, that is not my call. I'm not gonna say names or talk about anything specific, but I will say that in the Backroom, we have varying views on planking, how effective it is in our eyes, and what to do about it. We ARE working on a solution though, that I can assure you.

 

[Dark.Pch]

The issue isn't why we allow it, but rather is it "gay enough" to warrant a ban. For Dedede's Infinite, that only affects a few characters, I think the majority of us think it's not worth a ban.

If Planking ONLY affected the Viability of DK, Luigi, Mario, etc, would we ban it? Think about it.

As for planking being allowed, that is not my call. I'm not gonna say names or talk about anything specific, but I will say that in the Backroom, we have varying views on planking, how effective it is in our eyes, and what to do about it. We ARE working on a solution though, that I can assure you.

So it is fair to allow a grab from 0-300% Meta is broken and the best character in the Game. And with these characters that DDD got this infinite on, DDD has to work less than meta to win.

Another thing I found funny was you boys bann certain stages cause of characters

Japes
Green greens
Pictochat

Yet you boys allow RC seeing how Broken meta is on that stage. Which is worst than any stage that has been bann due to one or more characters.

Also Planking affects just about every character in the game and you boys still have to think about wether to make it an official bann or not? To a point you wanna keep legal with a limited amout of times to grab the ledge? This crap should not even be thought about. Get rid of this nonsense already.

I'm just gonan say it. To me, the BBR is filled with high tier players that play gay to win and plank to no end. And how they get most of thier wins. Thats right I said it, Thats how you boys can get your wins and only way you get them to be the players you are today. Thus crap like this is allowed and thats how they get thier money. They don't wanna work to win. And if they had too, they would lose interest in this game. or they not be making as much money as before. And not have an easier time beating people. Take all that away and then lets see what skills the BRR have. people don't care to be legit or about the other players. It's all about them and the money.

And I know almost all the people in the BBR. Which makes my statement more true.

 

[DMG]

lmao

Pictochat isn't universally banned everywhere. Same for Japes. Pictochat at least isn't banned because of specific characters, it's usually because people complain about the stages features/things happening with the stage.


There's nothing wrong with the 300% mark, except for maybe being too high. A better mark might be closer to 200%/250%. The point is to allow whatever things to occur, but not to let the game devolve into whoever gets the grab runs out the timer doing damage, gets the kill eventually/never, and wins.

People have different views on planking. Some people may think it doesn't work, others think it works but not to a ban-able degree, and others still may think it works and warrants a ban/limit. No side/argument is universally accepted for that issue.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

It's not our jobs to make things legit. It's the BBR job. thats why the BRR exsist and we can't see what goes on in there. Only "Special people" And for stuff like this, this is why people can really see the true potential of characters. A freaking noob could just learn how to do this skillless grab and beat top players and think he is somebody in the community or actually good. Still a pitiful player in my eyes with no skills. Too much noobs can get away with to show "skills" in this game

And since people wanna win at any cost, when they face a DK, they can just pick DDD and chain grab his ***. DK gets screwed for no reason at all. Oh wait, there is a reason, cause of you guys allowing this nonsense. Then people wanna **** on DK? Like are you seriously with this? Same with Planking. pound 4 is allowing that from what I heard? If so, it is seriously stupid and all people gonna do. Wow can'tt wait to see such great skills from this game. It's gonna be awsome.

This game takes lil to no skills at all to get good at. and there is too much prove of this. Cause people allowing this crap. I dare ask what the heck do you boys think about when you make these stupid rules and allow garbage. I kept this in for so long but I had enough of it. Seriously what do you boys go for. Why is there even a BBR with people if you boys can't even get things right?

I'd have to disagree with the sentiment that brawl is an easy game to be good at because it isn't. Then I also have to disagree with the fact that DK auto losses to d3 with the CG maybe if the infinite was legal that'd be a different story but you can't say ZOMG CG wrecks any DK regardless of skill level of the d3 because that simple isn't true. No matter how many times people prove this mindset to be false people like you continue to spew this non sense.

 

[ShadowLink84]

You want to bana tactic hat affects a handful of character.
Okay, i want to start banning tactics that make Sonic unviable.
If you ban something, it sets a precedent and you must follow that precedent. if we ban something because it affects DK, it shows we are willing to ban something because of the effects it has on one character, not because it actually affects the metagame significantly.

 

[Dark.Pch]

lmao

Pictochat isn't universally banned everywhere. Same for Japes. Pictochat at least isn't banned because of specific characters, it's usually because people complain about the stages features/things happening with the stage.


There's nothing wrong with the 300% mark, except for maybe being too high. A better mark might be closer to 200%/250%. The point is to allow whatever things to occur, but not to let the game devolve into whoever gets the grab runs out the timer doing damage, gets the kill eventually/never, and wins.

People have different views on planking. Some people may think it doesn't work, others think it works but not to a ban-able degree, and others still may think it works and warrants a ban/limit. No side/argument is universally accepted for that issue.

Come on dude. Lets be for real with the 300% That is sudden death % right there to say there is nothing wrong with allowing that dumb grab to 300%

And I wanna know, what reason are there for planking being legal?

I'd have to disagree with the sentiment that brawl is an easy game to be good at because it isn't. Then I also have to disagree with the fact that DK auto losses to d3 with the CG maybe if the infinite was legal that'd be a different story but you can't say ZOMG CG wrecks any DK regardless of skill level of the d3 because that simple isn't true. No matter how many times people prove this mindset to be false people like you continue to spew this non sense.

I stand by what I say.

 

[DMG]

People who argue for planking to be allowed generally either perceive planking as a non effective strategy, or an effective strategy that just doesn't warrant a ban. Most people that argue for planking to be allowed don't actually plank others/it would not benefit them greatly to have planking allowed.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Let me ask you a question. Out of all the times planking has be used hardcore, how many times has it been beaten?

 

[DMG]

You don't have to argue about planking with me. You can argue that with other people. I am just stating that people have varying opinions on it. I'm not justifying any stance, even though I personally don't think planking should be allowed.