The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[Golem the Stern Father]

This is what the tier list should have been...
*Tier list*

There should be a rule in the OP saying that all personal tier lists cannot be posted. Debating is fine, complaining even slips by sometimes, but all of ours are going to be different. You can do what I did, put my tier list in my sig.

Look, anyone who uses grab release as a tactic to win against Ness and Lucas is not good at Brawl. There are many other ways to win...with style.

There is no style in competative gaming either, you simply play to win. If a tactic is not banned in tournaments, then it's fair game...

 

[adumbrodeus]

Not a lot, as mentioned above. Look, anyone who uses grab release as a tactic to win against Ness and Lucas is not good at Brawl. There are many other ways to win...with style.

Play to win.

Style is unimportant, and the constraint of "playing with style" just holds you back. Sure, it's ok to be flashy IF it doesn't jeopardize victory (in some cases, it's a good psychological trick), but refusing easy victory via a death grab is a scrub, plain and simple, they're too bound by their own internal rules to reach their full potential.

 

[Zinc Elemental]

Bowser, LOL, WAYYYYYY too high. While I can accept that Bowser has improved considerably from Melee, that doesen't mean he's that good. His tourney results suck, has very bad character matchups and pretty much sucks in all areas except obviously power.

Okay, personally, I think Bowser is a bit high too. However, please go look into Bowser before you criticize him. It's not true that everything but his power sucks. He's got good range on a lot of attacks. He's got some good choices of things to do out of his shield. Also, he's got several attacks that are suprisingly for fast for, well, being Bowser.

Bowser in melee doesn't have an influence over Bowser in brawl. We don't have people saying "Wow, Kirby sucked in Melee, I can't believe he got that much better". My guess is this is because people have seen a broken Kirby before (*cough* Sb64 *cough*) while Bowser has always been infamous for being bad.

Basically, try to come at him with an open mind in Brawl. He isn't bad at everything any more.

DDD is not top tier for a few reasons
Has a few IMPOSSIBLE match ups

Exaggerating to try to prove your point is poor form. DOn't say match-ups in the plural unless you can name more than one.

When the SBR threw all the little smash bros. plushies down the stairs, Falco's went further than Peach's and thus became top tier with the other plushies that made it that far down the staircase. Obviously.

There are Falco and Peach plushies? Where can I get these? XD

 

[Bowser King]

Not a lot, as mentioned above. Look, anyone who uses grab release as a tactic to win against Ness and Lucas is not good at Brawl. There are many other ways to win...with style.

If grab release can help me win then I don't see a problem with it.

Winning without style> losing with style

 

[exidid]

Grab release looks good :D

 

[metaXzero]

I miss broken Kirby...

 

[TheStig]

i'm curious to why jiggly is so low. no one uses her because she is unpopular and seen as "nerfed" from melee. so, its kinda hard to see tournament performance or her true potential.

 

[Bowser King]

i'm curious to why jiggly is so low. no one uses her because she is unpopular and seen as "nerfed" from melee. so, its kinda hard to see tournament performance or her true potential.

Almost everyone says that about there main (the ones in low tier or bottom of mid).
Somone has to be at the bottom.

 

[highandmightyjoe]

DDD is not top tier for a few reasons
Has a few IMPOSSIBLE match ups
cannot play well against light fast people(Olimar, Meta, Fox, Falco, ect)
also has quiet bad match ups

I agree he has a few bad matchups that I think warrant him not being in the third spot, but he is definately top/high tier. Fifth place at the worst.

And honestly he doesn't have all that many bad matchups. Last I checked Olimar was his only matchups that was 70/30. Everything else is 60/40 at worst, which is not bad at all. For me personally the only people that give me trouble are Olimar and Pikachu. And MK is even, maybe like 55/45 for MK at worst. Far from his worst match.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree, D3 completely destroys alot of characters, more than other top tiers, but also has more problems with some characters, which i think should move him down to 5th or 6th.

 

[Takumaru]

Not a lot, as mentioned above. Look, anyone who uses grab release as a tactic to win against Ness and Lucas is not good at Brawl. There are many other ways to win...with style.

I dunno, everytime I see someone win with a grab release I have to try really hard to maintain any self control. Otherwise I'll end up doing naughty things because of the amount of sexiness caused by a grab release kill. Sexiness = style in this case.

 

[ikemaster]

ike is middle

 

[gantrain05]

I agree, D3 completely destroys alot of characters, more than other top tiers, but also has more problems with some characters, which i think should move him down to 5th or 6th.

yeah, DDD has a hell of a lot of trouble with fox lol.

 

[Xiivi]

There are Falco and Peach plushies? Where can I get these? XD

Pictures from the making of the tier list:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/Vulpixi_Misa/Photos/Brawl_n_Plushies.jpg
http://www.toysnjoys.com/nintendo/nintendopeachplush.jpg

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this highly classified data. I didn't manage to get any pictures of the other plushies used, but the SBR has at least 4 for each character.

 

[YagamiLight]

Pictures from the making of the tier list:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/Vulpixi_Misa/Photos/Brawl_n_Plushies.jpg
http://www.toysnjoys.com/nintendo/nintendopeachplush.jpg

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this highly classified data. I didn't manage to get any pictures of the other plushies used, but the SBR has at least 4 for each character.

That Toon Link plushie is so ridiculously cute. There's no other word for it.

 

[Folm]

People who have mains in the top don't care about tiers, but peoplewho have mains that are low do care, I have characters all over the place, tier lists mean nothing to me. But I have to admit I am a little annoyed pokemon Trainer is low, He's one of my best alts. I bet its because Pokemon trainer is lacking an actual down B.

 

[Zinc Elemental]

I bet its because Pokemon trainer is lacking an actual down B.

Uh, no. Pokemon Trainer is hurt by its necessity to switch, and each character has some significant weaknesses.

As a counter-example, see Melee Sheik. Sheik essentially didn't have a down-b either.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

DDD does have some terrible matchups.... but honestly... he does well in the tournament scene... his bad matchups are either bad for everyone or don't even show up for the most part.

 

[highandmightyjoe]

DDD does have some terrible matchups.... but honestly... he does well in the tournament scene... his bad matchups are either bad for everyone or don't even show up for the most part.

He only has 1 maybe 2 terrible matchups, the rest are just kind of bad. Not enough to knock him out of high. Just down like 1 or 2 spots.

 

[Folm]

Uh, no. Pokemon Trainer is hurt by its necessity to switch, and each character has some significant weaknesses.

As a counter-example, see Melee Sheik. Sheik essentially didn't have a down-b either.

I was just guessing. I'm like,not really... into it. I don't really know how to explain it. I dont know everything and look up a lot of brawl stuff online. I just play the game.

 

[cjrocker]

I was just guessing. I'm like,not really... into it. I don't really know how to explain it. I dont know everything and look up a lot of brawl stuff online. I just play the game.

You don't play the game enough then, or you'd realize how much the stamina ordeal drags PT down.

 

[Zinc Elemental]

I was just guessing. I'm like,not really... into it. I don't really know how to explain it. I dont know everything and look up a lot of brawl stuff online. I just play the game.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking you, if that's what it seemed like.

DDD does have some terrible matchups.... but honestly... he does well in the tournament scene... his bad matchups are either bad for everyone or don't even show up for the most part.

Who would you conside "terrible" for DDD other than ICs?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I didn't mean to come off as attacking you, if that's what it seemed like.



Who would you conside "terrible" for DDD other than ICs?

Zelda.... zelda zelda zelda.... play a good one... se what I mean

 

[nakedsnake]

snake is top tier motherf******

 

[FlashGearz]

What is Marth so low? He should atleast be in betwen Falco and R.O.B. Other then that, I see nothing wrong except maybe Lucas and Ness on the list being too low too.

 

[Folm]

You don't play the game enough then, or you'd realize how much the stamina ordeal drags PT down.

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

 

[cjrocker]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

Ooh, you sound dedicated. Book brawler? Good one. And if you don't look anything up on the internet why are you wasting your time here?

 

[Corigames]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

Well, I hope you like missing out on useful information so that you can find it out on your own months/years later. Sounds like fun.

 

[dcbandicoot]

For all intensive purposes, at least by my opinion, this list is an average draft, but has some glaring issues with it.

For example.. R.O.B. and MK are in the same tier? What does R.O.B. have that puts him in the same tier with MK? Tourney results and matchups would suggest that Marth deserves to be fairly close (IMO above, but that's disputable) when compared with R.O.B.... and yet a tier separates them.

 

[JJR.O.B.]

For all intensive purposes, at least by my opinion, this list is an average draft, but has some glaring issues with it.

For example.. R.O.B. and MK are in the same tier? What does R.O.B. have that puts him in the same tier with MK? Tourney results and matchups would suggest that Marth deserves to be fairly close (IMO above, but that's disputable) when compared with R.O.B.... and yet a tier separates them.

Because ROB has a fairly good matchup with Marth and a awesome matchup with falco, and Snake.

 

[Zinc Elemental]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

Was that a veiled insult at people who read up on ATs and strategies here?

 

[Takumaru]

Was that a veiled insult at people who read up on ATs and strategies here?

He also insulted your mother.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Was that a veiled insult at people who read up on ATs and strategies here?

He also insulted your mother.

Don't forget about your dignity.

*Trips into Ike's f-smash*

 

[Alphicans]

I read about 13 pages of this thread, so I didn't see recent arguments, but why is every saying MK deserves a tier of his own, but not snake? Also, I too would like to know the exact formula for this tier list.

I can see a repeat of the melee tier list. MK being the sheik.

 

[adumbrodeus]

He only has 1 maybe 2 terrible matchups, the rest are just kind of bad. Not enough to knock him out of high. Just down like 1 or 2 spots.

His placings are entirely dependent on MK, were MK gone he'd go considerably down. Similar story with Snake (ESPECIALLY when he was top tier).

 

[Barge]

I love where olimar is, it seems like a cozy little spot. I like where all of my characters are.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

LOL

Get wrecked at a tourney, kid.

Smooth Criminal

 

[adumbrodeus]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

See, the thing with that is... you have to discover all the ATs yourself instead of letting other people do it for you. If you can somehow discover all the ATs in the game (IC's infinite chain grabs are a good one), as well as the exact frame data of all the moves, reletive priority, etc, then more power to you.

But if not, you'll be at an inherent disadvantage against people who know knows all this stuff.


Basically, the people who find information put all this stuff out there to improve your game, why not take advantage of it?

 

[Fletch]

I play the game loads, everything I do in Brawl I did mostly myself, i'm a natural brawler instead of a book brawler who looks up everything they know from the internet.

This is a horrible scrub mentality. And if this is completely true, what are you doing on Smashboards?

 

[Dark.Pch]

Peach needs to step it up on this list.Whoever put her under bowser is seriously smoking some raw turnips and needs to see this thread.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167424