The PokéLab: Pikachu Research Thread (QA frame data added: 1/26/11)

[Pikabunz]

The thunder glitch you're talking about can happen with any electric based attack, pk thunder, knee, etc. I think I know how it happens, but not 100% sure yet. Was Samus hit towards the side of the stage when it happened?

Feel free to ask as many questions you want. I love researching and answering questions. It gives me something to do.

 

[lmntolp]

I can't see the video D:. I'm pretty sure I found the same kind of glitch, but it was when I released ike's side-b at the same time that a GaW used upb offstage, which made me die instantly off the side of the screen.

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

Yea samus was near the side... for the instant kill (she still was in screw attack animation throughout the teleportion and death tho, but other times (non instant kill--just teleporation and inactive freefall) it has happened without hitting any side of stages (brinstar/ way up high on YI/ and above the platforms of battlefield for me)

 

[Pikabunz]

Attack Base Knockback and Growth

Jab
Base: 302.12
Growth: 2.8

Ftilt
Base: 1062.54
Growth: 26.08

Dtilt
Base: 965.445
Growth: 21.3

Utilt
Base: 2006.89
Growth: 26.41

Fsmash
Base: 2547.97
Growth: 31.43

Dsmash
Base: 3581.79
Growth: 22.29

Usmash
Base: 1809.82
Growth: 34.23

Nair (strong)
Base: 1288.05
Growth: 33.25

Fair
Base: ???
Growth: 10.55

Bair
Base: 1983.85
Growth: 16.94

Dair
Base: 1041.58
Growth: 26.7

Uair
Base: 1635.5
Growth: 11.35

Jolt (ball)
Base: 2051.01
Growth: 7.83

Thunder1
Base: 3455.48
Growth: 14.24

Thunder2
Base: 3573.73
Growth: 27.13

Skull bash (uncharged)
Base: 1756.04
Growth: 17.41

Fthrow
Base: 2032.17
Growth: 10.27

Bthrow
Base: 2650.77
Growth: 13.04

Dthrow
Base: 2098.17
Growth: 6.27

Uthrow
Base: 3104.99
Growth: 7.43

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

What does all of that mean?

 

[altairian]

The initial knockback power of a move and how much 1% increases it, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure how much knockback you need for a guaranteed kill though, although obviously that depends heavily on the angle the move sends them and DI, as well.

 

[KayLo!]

Prime, do you know the units for those numbers?

 

[Pikabunz]

I think it's mph.

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

Um... where do you get the hacking stuffs K-prime for benchamarking and researching? If at all possible, could you test whether Marth and Zero Suit can or cannot get back onto the stage after getting hit with this?

:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=248949 . Its a new AT that toon link has and I did a vid for it. Only if you have time. Thanks.

I need to refresh myself with ledge invincibility and those character's up-b's and stuff.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

The thunder glitch you're talking about can happen with any electric based attack, pk thunder, knee, etc. I think I know how it happens, but not 100% sure yet. Was Samus hit towards the side of the stage when it happened?

Feel free to ask as many questions you want. I love researching and answering questions. It gives me something to do.

i feel like ive answered this a billion times lol.

there is a unique property of electric attacks that if you hit a button as you are hit, it cancels the hitstun and allows you to attack instantly. if they input an up b, an interesting this happens. they get the penalty that is given to momentum based attacks used during hitstun, ie not only do they get the knockback from the attack, but they then get the momentum of the up b + the penalty due to the up b. i have an old vid of neji doing this to a mk. this works for every electric attack though

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

i feel like ive answered this a billion times lol.

there is a unique property of electric attacks that if you hit a button as you are hit, it cancels the hitstun and allows you to attack instantly. if they input an up b, an interesting this happens. they get the penalty that is given to momentum based attacks used during hitstun, ie not only do they get the knockback from the attack, but they then get the momentum of the up b + the penalty due to the up b. i have an old vid of neji doing this to a mk. this works for every electric attack though

Thank you for the billionth answer and your patience. ^_^

 

[Stealth Raptor]

fun fact: time a nair to conicide with the last pulse of gannons up B and it will hit him as soon as you are free

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

fun fact: time a nair to conicide with the last pulse of gannons up B and it will hit him as soon as you are free

Wow... does the same thing work for falcon's "Yes!" move?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

no it isnt electric element. its actually coded as the **** element

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

no it isnt electric element. its actually coded as the **** element

Hm... should've known...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yeah when he up b's a girl char its so much **** they get impregnated

 

[KayLo!]

Prime, you should probably copy Pika's frame data into this thread. Or link to it in the OP.

It's buried under a bunch of old threads, and it'll be much easier to find if you put it somewhere in here.

 

[Pikabunz]

Down Air Hit Stun Advantage

Mario (Fresh)
0%: (-11) - 1
10%: (-7) - 5
20%: 0 - 12
30%: 3 - 15
40%: 7 - 19
50%: True Knockback
*First number is hitting with Dair on frame 14 (first frame the hitbox comes out)
*Second number is hitting with Dair on frame 26 (last frame the hitbox is out)

 

[altairian]

So D3 has a standing infinite on several more characters on RC during some of the moving sections. I don't think it will help us any, but it's probably worth putting a few minutes of testing in to see if this helps any of our cg's at all.

link to the d3 thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=251972

I'll try to test it out tomorrow but I'm pretty bad so I may mess it up

 

[Pikabunz]

I've actually already have been testing that a bit. It does help Pika fthrow cg longer and you also might be able to cg them off the edge for a KO. At the very end of RC where the stage starts to go down, Pika can 0-death everyone with the dthrow cg to uthrow.

 

[altairian]

Now that is quite handy information

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I've actually already have been testing that a bit. It does help Pika fthrow cg longer and you also might be able to cg them off the edge for a KO. At the very end of RC where the stage starts to go down, Pika can 0-death everyone with the dthrow cg to uthrow.

Lol you know that because of me in that pikachu tournament. I'm sorry for it btw

 

[Captain 9wnag3]

does dthrow->SH nair->dthrow->SH nair->FF fair->grab work on large heavy weights (does it even work)

 

[Stealth Raptor]

they can sdi out at the nair. if they airdodge after getting hit by nair i suppose you could get a regrab. anything after that though is just silly

 

[Captain 9wnag3]

they can sdi out at the nair. if they airdodge after getting hit by nair i suppose you could get a regrab. anything after that though is just silly

lol i know just wanted to know if it would work. just for lulz

 

[Kantō]

I've actually already have been testing that a bit. It does help Pika fthrow cg longer and you also might be able to cg them off the edge for a KO. At the very end of RC where the stage starts to go down, Pika can 0-death everyone with the dthrow cg to uthrow.

no ****in way..... thats is amazing....

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

I got a vid where I electricity glitch my crewmate into his death. ^_^ It's the last kill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UezsGiT_mSA

 

[Kantō]

nice ledge games! isee what your saying about samus not being able to kill that well now too

 

[Stealth Raptor]

ive known about that for a long time ldpk, you can see it in one of my early anther wifi vids on delfino. it has something to do with an electric move hitting someone into a wall right by them. i think you have to hit a button the frame you are hit, and you have to hit a wall immediately.

 

[Pikabunz]

Easiest way to do the glitch is go to training and pick pika and mk on corneria. Then set mk to about mid-ish percent and put him next to the wall and then just have pika fsmash him. When mk gets hit, he can pretty much act immediately with anything he wants.

 

[Diddyknight]

*ignore*

.....

 

[Pikabunz]

We already have Pika's frame data. Check the OP.

 

[KayLo!]

Yeah, so.

Explanation plz?

Is it SDI? Or guaranteed? Or wut?

I'm balls at testing things with DI because my secondary controllers all have crap control sticks/c-sticks.

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[Stealth Raptor]

OMG that looks gauranteed. now ima have to learn the uair to footstool, that looked soooooooooo sexy

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Lucario's get up from a lock is i guess quicker because i can't do it to anybody else but him...at laest the ones i have tried. Lets say you do a fresh uair at 50. Some characters will get hit by 2 of the thunders, going to 80...but some to go 72 or something like that while lucario goes to 100+

Yeah, lucario is the only one that gets ***** by it that badly.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

with different timings of thunder can it work on others?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Not from a QAC. It is either the buffered timing (When you would jump) or after the QA would end (which is WAY too long)

 

[phi1ny3]

If the lucario's SDI is good, can't he get out after the first bolt?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yes he should be able to. if not the first definitly the second

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Lol its basically useless, but it IS cool looking.