The Top 5 Brawl [ US | CAN | MEX]

[Krystedez]

Cut off date is not set. If you haven't been playing for 6 months, but no one else has been making good progress compared to yours, you won't be moved immediately off the list. If you haven't played for a year, then it is of major concern.

Anything less than that and we get into touchy ground. Consistently active people take precedence in ranking though.

 

[Flayl]

Way to have me on your Low Tier Characters Ranking Flayl

Read the F.A.Q.

edit: Krystedez here's the new Bowser list then:

1- KingKong
2- Zigsta
3- Limit
4- Uncle
5- ArleX

The reasoning for ArleX in 5th is not so much based on skill (because I have very little to measure that) but more because Uncle attends larger and more expensive tournaments.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Seagull's Bowser is really really bad. Just ignore him, he's just trolling.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Seagull's Bowser is really really bad. Just ignore him, he's just trolling.

My is bad too.

 

[Player-1]

any objections?

Read the F.A.Q.

edit: Krystedez here's the new Bowser list then:

1- KingKong
2- Zigsta
3- Limit
4- Uncle
5- ArleX

The reasoning for ArleX in 5th is not so much based on skill (because I have very little to measure that) but more because Uncle attends larger and more expensive tournaments.

I completely forgot you did work thatguy lol I think he belongs in the top 5 for Mario along with 2fast
list IMO

1.boss
2/3 flameleon/vato_break
4/5 2fast / thatguy

though I really feel that all the spots after boss could go up to any of these players. Just seems a bit more accurate this way

Reflex #1 falcon stroumbourt or w.e it is on the falcon list to

 

[vato_break]

For mario it would be
1 Boss
2 Vato
3 Flameleon
4 2fast
5 Thatguy

IMO of course.

 

[Patches]

Agreed with Player-1.

Stroumbert needs to be on the Falcon list.

 

[Krystedez]

I'll try to do some updates before I start on my project, gunna go from my last post where I said I'd update for H tier or w/e.

note: that means Ill show you guys the updates before I do them of course

 

[Krystedez]

CHANGES SOON TO BE MADE, NEW CHART DESIGN COMING
!!PLEASE DISCUSS FOR FINALIZATION!!


Riot -> Riot
ScaryLB -> Ven*
Fuujin -> ScaryLB*
Linkz -> Fuujin*
Ven -> Linkz*

Reasons: Ven moved up pretty much cuz of G2.


Verm -> DLA*
DLA -> Fonz*
Ray Kalm -> Verm*
Bloodynite -> Breezy**
Fonz -> Bloodynite*

Contenders: Stingers and Tearbear
Reasons: Verm went down to third with his lack of tournament performance in the past 6 months and DLA/Fonz doing well recently.

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Boss -> Boss
KirinBlaze -> Vato_Break*
Box7 -> 2fast**
Vato_Break -> Flameleon*
Flameleon -> ThatGuy**


KingKong -> KingKong
Limit -> Zigsta*
Zigsta -> Limit*
MrEh -> Phiddlesticks*
Phiddlesticks -> Uncle**

Reasons: Uncle is heard more about, attends larger tourneys apparently. MrEh has dropped off due to inactivity. Phiddle still around. Limit lost some from activity.
Contenders: Arlex
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BORDERLINE: These changes may need a bit more discussion
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Ally -> TheReflexWonder**
Culex -> Culex
mlorenzo -> Ally*
Lordhelmet -> mlorenzo*
NeoBatou -> Lordhelmet*

Contenders: stroumbourt? what place? who TO replace? What has he done, etc. . .
Ally, due to not having used C. Falcon in bracket as much and using him on point for that matter as the others have before in bracket, has been moved down to 3rd for the time being. Reflex is put up on first for now as a placeholder? I need more evidence for this to be mandated. Falcon might wait til next update.


Nick Riddle -> Nick Riddle
Dakpo -> Y.b.M.*
Y.b.M. -> Dakpo* / DRN**
Shlike -> Dakpo* / DRN**
PatG -> Salem** / PatG

I've personally played Y.b.M., he WANTS to move up, and that place is 2nd only. So if he gets to move up I need more feedback.

If that happens, Dakpo moves down. But DRN also is required on the list? We need more feedback/evidence for DRN to be moved onto the list. Apparently 3rd or 4th.

Has PatG been repping well? Should he drop in order for Salem to move on the list? I've seen Salem's performance is extreme on the AiB ladder (FIRST PLACE SO FAR)... He's always done well on wifi, and to do well at his first tourney is no surprise. But I want to see him go to at least 2 more tournaments to be able to be ranked appropriately to be quite honest. What do you guys think?


ESAM -> ESAM
Kprime -> Kprime
Anther -> PikaPika
PikaPika -> Z
Z -> ???

Who should replace Anther? Who should be put into the fifth spot essentially?

 

[Fuujin]

The fuuuuck?

Explain how him not making it out of bracket at a big tournament makes him better than me.

 

[Player-1]

DRN is 2nd on GA's PRing now beating players like kismet, Lie, micaelis, dr. pp, etc. Dakpo's biggest win is like dekar from what i know. I think shlike was another contender for zss, but idk how well he does.

Salem shouldn't be on it at all, 1 tournament doesn't mean too much

Reflex actually uses falcon in tournament and has taken games and/or sets off of good players with him, he doesn't solo falcon in tournament or anything though a vid of him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTURaxeF5w&feature=channel_video_title

you can see other vids on that channel too

edit: and just take ally off the list and add stroumbourt or however you spell it, ally hasn't used falcon in tournament in like forever

 

[Krystedez]

@ Fuujin, I guess I should look at the results then. I don't know anything about your guys's Zelda performances. I put it up there as a possible change like I said.

Also to be fair G2 had two rounds of pools, if he even made 4th seed at the second pool I'd be impressed depending on his opponents.

But I don't think that neccessarily means he should be above you

 

[Judo777]

Awww I still can't be a Zelda????? fair enough, I don't use her (solo) in big boy tournaments unless I'm playin an IC or a Pika lol. I have however had some pretty big wins using her for parts of matches lol that counts right???????

Aw screw this. I'm gonna go make my own Zelda list, except with black jack, and hookers, in fact screw the Zelda list!

 

[Krystedez]

Judo there hasn't been ANY discussion about you at all if you have wins/results with her post em up lmao

 

[~Firefly~]

@ Fuujin, I guess I should look at the results then. I don't know anything about your guys's Zelda performances. I put it up there as a possible change like I said.

Also to be fair G2 had two rounds of pools, if he even made 4th seed at the second pool I'd be impressed depending on his opponents.

But I don't think that neccessarily means he should be above you

I don't believe he got 4th seed. Asa told me he was in Ven's pool, and Asa got 4th seed; Ven was one of his wins.

 

[Krystedez]

So if we put Ven up one spot would that be fair instead of two or three?

Riot -> Riot
ScaryLB -> ScaryLB
Fuujin -> Fuujin
Linkz -> Ven*
Ven -> Linkz*

I dont know how much more active Linkz is now tho

edit: should ven be put up at all if all he did was make it to second pool at G2? lmao.

 

[Fuujin]

[COLLAPSE="Ven"]Neo VegasSmash Brawl Monthlies #3, Las Vegas NV (04/10/11)
7th out of 25 singles
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11724

Neo VegasSmash Brawl Monthlies #2, Las Vegas NV (03/21/11)
9th out of 19 singles
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11623

Neo VegasSmash Brawl Monthlies #1, Las Vegas NV (02/27/11)
5th out of 29 singles
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11416[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Fujin"]E4H: Glacia, North Hollywood, CA (8/27/11)
13th out of 23 singles
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12527 100%

Brainshock Beta, Iowa City, IA (07/02/11)
49th out of 65 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306380 90% 10%

Ogre Smash 2, St. Louis, MO (05/21/11)
13th out of 20 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304015 70%30%
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqBQez5_D0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6fuLnjJ9RQ

Ogre Smash, St. Louis, MO (04/16/11) 9th out of 25 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301696

School is in Session 4, Cincinnati, OH (01/08/11)
49th out of 112 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295362

KMYM 2(Kahoka Me Your Moves 2), Kahoka, MO (11/13/10)
17th out of 25th
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=291326

HD! Remix(Hot ****ings! Remix) St Louis, MO (10/23/10)
33rd out of 49th
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288010

TAS (Tornado Alley Smash), Lenexa, KS (10/09/10)
13th out of 42 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288635

School is in Session 3, Cincinnati, OH (09/11/10)
33rd out of 117 singles
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286292

[/COLLAPSE]
Oh and since were counting tournaments where we didn't make it into brackets, I went to the last Whobo as well.

So if we put Ven up one spot would that be fair instead of two or three?

Riot -> Riot
ScaryLB -> ScaryLB
Fuujin -> Fuujin
Linkz -> Ven*
Ven -> Linkz*

I dont know how much more active Linkz is now tho

edit: should ven be put up at all if all he did was make it to second pool at G2? lmao.

all I know is that he shouldn't be above me.
Honestly, if anything I should be second I'm the only other player out there using solo Zelda 100% in tournaments, and our results were neck to neck until he got 7th at that recent tournament.
I don't understand why there's a gap between us with Scary in the middle.

 

[Krystedez]

"our results", you mean between you and riot? or scary? or what?

anyways Ill keep Zelda the way it is for now until there is a solid case made for either ven's move or you moving now that you mention it

 

[Fuujin]

"our results", you mean between you and riot? or scary? or what?

Me and Riots.
Scary has better results than both of us, but seeing as how he uses a character like 2 tiers up it's sort of expected.
I'm just saying me and Riots results are too close to have use separated by another player.
Imo it should be like
1. Riot
2. Fuujin
3. Scary
4 and 5. idk you can put ven or some other Zeldas whos been to 3 tournaments.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Regardless, Ven still must go above Linkz. Ven is in a far better region lol.

Honestly, I still don't mind what happens to me lol.

Also, Fuu, you have a Sheik as well iirc. Just saying. I know you use her less though.

EDIT: Ninja'd lol

 

[Fuujin]

Ven is in a better region than me??
Or Linkz??

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Linkz lol; although Ven plays with Cali.

Wait.....don't you play with Cali now or is it STL?

 

[Two-Ell]

Fuujin is also SoCal now.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

That's really cool!

 

[vato_break]

fujin moved back to IL iirc

 

[Two-Ell]

really? when?

 

[DRN]

DRN is 2nd on GA's PRing now beating players like kismet, Lie, micaelis, dr. pp, etc. Dakpo's biggest win is like dekar from what i know. I think shlike was another contender for zss, but idk how well he does.

Salem shouldn't be on it at all, 1 tournament doesn't mean too much

Reflex actually uses falcon in tournament and has taken games and/or sets off of good players with him, he doesn't solo falcon in tournament or anything though a vid of him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTURaxeF5w&feature=channel_video_title

you can see other vids on that channel too

edit: and just take ally off the list and add stroumbourt or however you spell it, ally hasn't used falcon in tournament in like forever

Uhh yea this. Heres a link to our PR if needed(GA Power Ranking). Here are some tourneys ive been to in the past couple months. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13250385&postcount=1861 , http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=313070 , and http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=313489. Btw the tourneys where mk is by my name is only because i used him for diddy with the exception of my set vs Lie

I feel Salem shouldnt be on the list just yet. If he continues to compete offline then by the time we get to C tier then im sure he'll get the accurate representation he deserves. I havent seen much from PatG besides Fatality 3. I dont know what other recent tourneys hes been to besides that.

 

[Krystedez]

I'm no longer doing weekly tiers or whatever. We'll just go by what people are discussing from the beginning of the next update. I don't really mind either way, but let's keep focused. If characters are being discussed too rapidly like 6-10 different ones all at once from different tiers I'll just take the ones that were discussed the most into effect.

I'll make sure what you said goes gets taken into account though guys. I'm sleepy will do an final update tomorrow.

 

[stingers]

im like 500x better than bloody with ganon omg >.>
im sure tearbear is too really lol. come on now

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Better player < Better Main

 

[Krystedez]

what mink said...

I could be infinitely better than every mario main but until I prove it with hard work and devotion to the character there is no reason I should be considered a top 5 mario. maybe a high level player using a low tier character. woopie. but I didnt get results with mario this year. I did it with pit. And mained him for a year. whats up with that huh? :x

>implying I could reach the miles that marios like even older mario mains like Bo have walked lmao...

 

[Patches]

Falcon should go

Ally
Stroumbert
Reflex
Culex
Someone else lol

That being said. Ally is quite clearly the beat falcon. Stroumbert is pretty well a dedicated Falcon main who usually pulls top 3 at his tournaments. Culex hasn't gone to a tournament in a long time. So lack of performance?

 

[Flayl]

Krystedez: I'm fine with Phiddlesticks staying on the list, but it means you don't follow your own rules.

Just warning you that's going to get you into trouble for some characters

 

[Jimmyfosho]

I think ThatGuy should be above 2fast for the Mario list but besides that I think the Mario list is more accurate

 

[Juushichi]

Pops could go onto #5 with Falcon tbh.

He's almost beaten AZ's Diddy (LSLH G3) and beaten Smash64's Ness in a full set finishing his 2-0 on Brinstar (before 64 retiring) and Luminoth64.

 

[stingers]

idk about tearbear but speaking for myself I actually do use ganon...I don't believe you have to be a main to be on this list, just a dedicated user of that character. ally's ike may very well be a top 5 ike but ofc he doesnt really use him so it shouldn't be on this list. however I actually do use ganondorf so I think theres a distinction there...

 

[Player-1]

Falcon should go

Ally
Stroumbert
Reflex
Culex
Someone else lol

That being said. Ally is quite clearly the beat falcon. Stroumbert is pretty well a dedicated Falcon main who usually pulls top 3 at his tournaments. Culex hasn't gone to a tournament in a long time. So lack of performance?

oh ally clearly the best falcon? really? Like what makes it so clear that he's the best falcon? Is it the fact that he hasn't used falcon in tournament for over a year or something like that? In case you didn't know, this list is used to reflect the current metagame.

 

[Flayl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYIQNKKhJkw

 

[Tearbear]

its really hard to get on this list if you live in the WC
and i actually do put in a lot of time in my ganon and other characters, no one really knew i was getting
consistant 3rd out here with mainly fox/oli/falco/random characters

ill go win tons of MMs at LSC

so far I havent really seen anyone post any results for hyrule tier or anything just how active or inactive they think someone is

 

[Fuujin]

Yeah I unfortunately had to move back to the middle of nowhere, aka IL.
I will be back to SoCal though.

so far I havent really seen anyone post any results for hyrule tier or anything just how active or inactive they think someone is

I just posted some tho....