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Good predictionMy predictions for Apex
M2K sandbags hard and gets ***** on purpose, antiban gains the "M2K lost in Apex!!!" argument, MK is then unbanned.
lol@Jebus taking this troll post seriously.
The poll can't be inaccurate, only the interpretation of its data can.
People knew the poll would have a significant effect on the URC's choice, and it's not like it was obscure, everybody all over smashboards and AiB would have known about it.
All right, lemme change the hypothetical slightly: Nietono, Mr R, Brood, Glutonny (assuming he actually shows), and 9B win against every MK they face by a decent (read: outside of kill range on last stock or better) margin. Would that matter?No matter how epic or signficiant Apex is, it's still one tournament. 1 tournament = too small. That's what I've learned from the anti-bans.
"Just wait until this tournament and we'll see what's up!"
*Pound V walks in, MK takes 1-3rd place*
"But that's JUST Pound V, what about tournaments before that? You pro-bans need more proof!"
Even if it's a huge international, it won't matter. It won't matter how significant it is, I'll still pull that card and discredit everything just because it was pulled on me like a thousand times. Plus, 1 tournament will not outshadow five other events.
They shouldn't have to win by a fairly wide margin. Those are very close MUs after all
lol Strawmanning. Jebus you should stay on topic when arguing something and not change opinions all of the time (Basically strawmanning). If you do that it can make it possible for you to finally win an argument.
Way to jump on the bandwagon at the most inappropriate time LOL. That wasn't strawmanning.
You should avoid using ad hominem while incorrectly identifying strawmanning.
It's top players vs. top players. Why would a top player need to win another top player by a decent margin in an even MU?
I could make up a million excuses that could counter all that, like for example, the lack of Brinstar and RC or the inclusion of an LGL had an impact on the match, without them, MK would do better. Alternatively, I could john for the characters and say that X MK main was playing bad (like M2K vs. Brood). And even if that backfires, I could just say it's a one time thing, unlike the consistent stream of data we've been gathering over the last year, or even better, cover my ears and go lalalalalalalalalala and then it won't matter.
Remove two stages and you remove every match up that every character has on those stages. Remove a character and you remove every match up that every character has against that character on every legal stage which removes way more depth. The smart thing to do would be to remove the stages first.
Even though your depth argument technically makes sense, I don't care about what has more depth. I just care about what makes more sense, and IMO, looking at all the issues that MK has stacked upon him side by side with all the issues that RC/Brinstar have stacked on them, I think it makes more sense to ban MK instead of ban the two stages, and I'm willing to sacrifice the difference in depth for that option.
plz no your facts before you start trying to tell other people what they dont know.
Kinda. Like atm I'm top 10 imo but it definitely wasn't that immediate. There where tournaments ive placed 7th at or whatever, the only thing ive been pretty consistent in is teams with luigiplayer.
Uh... That's kinda the point. If MK breaks RC and Brinstar, but without them is not broken, then you don't ban the character, you ban the extraneous elements that break the **** out of him to a reasonable extent. If this includes removing two stages that are a) already banned almost everywhere else in the world and b) questionable on their own merit anyways, I don't think that's unreasonable. The LGL we have been over, and seeing as the unity ruleset is apparently keeping it with or without MK banned, it seems to me like I'm right on that count.
The LGL is a non-factor anyways, if only because every other tournament had one, therefore for the sampling it's a constant. At which point you are clearly being unreasonable. This was kind of the point here: to figure out if you're willing to honestly talk about the issue. Good to know. But anyways... X MK main was playing bad? Let's see here...
If the American MKs fail majestically at APEX, then we know that the issues that MK has stacked upon him are basically negligible, because apparently either the EU/JP metagame is a little more advanced than the
) is, or the problems involve two stages which are, again, a) questionable in their own right and b) banned pretty much everywhere else anyways.
Regardless of which of us is right, it seems that we lose more matchups banning two stages than we do banning one character, right?
like. idc if you ban MK or not at this point but those stages need to be banned anyway
To determine unique matchups I did:
Ah, alright, I'll try to fix it, one sec.
Ah, well, lemme give it a try. We'll ignore stage bans and DSR for now, just because those'll make everything really complicated.
You still are counting unique matchups twice in your equations ><
Well, I edited it and got the numbers correct now, but let's move onward, since it doesn't exactly matter right now.
True, but remember, this was in response to Jebus' allegation that we lose more options per match by banning MK than we do banning RC and Brinstar.
Here is the thing: It isn't about what happens just one time. MK has lost in the past, but then those MK's always look at why they lost and by the next tournament have a counter. We don't get to see how the game would evolve with just one tournament, all we see is how three different ways of playing the game go against each other on their first go. The biggest advantage MK has is adaptability: he has an answer for every possible weakness or counter, the issue is about how long it takes for that adaption to take place.
is Slikvik.
Obviously, even fewer Player-Player-Stage combinations. Arguably less depth.
