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Hey connor can you please put up the two sets of the doubles finals? or if they are already up somewhere can you please post a link here? thanks 
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[VIC] 3 Stock'd ~ Melbourne 2010 ~ Nope
- Thread starter C~Dog
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dean.
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Halberd's a fine stage and I like trying out the different stages, I would've trialled Pokémon Stadium ahead of it but that's just me. I'd like to wonder how well a 7-stage striking system would work, though.
Is Ugly not attending the tournament on the 7th? If that's the case, I'd be happy to team with you again.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Unfortunately, I forgot to get the vids of Tanman. D: I'll get them at the next tourney and upload them then.Hey connor can you please put up the two sets of the doubles finals? or if they are already up somewhere can you please post a link here? thanks
abhishekh
Smash Journeyman
Can't watch the video, I'm capped (3days left till the next billing cycle)
Well I can, but I really can't be bothered waiting half an hour for it to load.
But either way, I really don't think those are too much of an issue. I've probably died more times from the stupid edge on final destination (probably because I play it more though .-.)
Any thoughts on this:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9354210&postcount=170
?
Nixernator
Smash Ace
Are we debating starter stages now? To understand this we need to look at our definition of a starter stage. Is it a stage that provides an even as possible match for the two characters? Or is it a stage that eliminates all random occurrences? Or is it lastly, a stage that provides no one character with an advantage or disadvantage that changes MU's/Playstyles or makes said character unbeatable or at least much stronger (that is the purpose of CP stages)
I always thought that a starter is aimed to make an even match for both characters. Would that mean that our starter stages need to be as basic as possible, without any unusual structure or events? Ideally then, a stage should be flatish, with reasonable boundaries, normal ledges, a platform or two spaced out fairly, little to no random occurrences. Yes? Well we don't really have any stage like that, aside from maybe SV or BF or maybe FD. Then we need to look at the aim of providing an even match. Admittedly no stages in Brawl actually provide an even match so we look for the closest we can get.
Looking at all those thoughts I thought that it seems obvious that halberd does not meet these guidelines, and if it does other stages should be on the starter list. Such as Delfino, Pictochat and maybe even pokemon stadium.
Halberd provides some chars we large advantages, the ones that come to mind are Snake and MK them being the top two characters in the whole game. It allows snake to get crazy Utilt kills at low percentages, while giving him fairly good stage control over all. And with MK comes the obvious problem of Sharking to abuse the fact that almost no characters can hit him while properly spaced, through the floor. I don't know if this is also that much of a consideration, but many times the stage has gimped chars at low percentages with its weird ledges while not flying, being stuck under the ledge without multiple jumps is stupid. Especially if you just had to airdodge the claw on the edge and floated past the ledge, only to be gimped.
What characters benefit as much from Lylat? I can't think of any characters off the top of my head which are instantly advantaged by Lylat to the same extent, the ones that would be, would probably be advantaged by the planking opportunities offered by the stage, and we have rules set in place to stop that. The only real complaint I've ever heard about Lylat Cruise, is the "OMG it tilted which is soooo ghey and I got gimped", as I've already pointed out I've had very similar things happen on Halberd and they are annoying but can be avoided. Aside from that the stage does not have any crazy structural things that abuse MU's, no short killzones, no RANDOM OBSATCLES OF DOOOM, and best of all does not give extreme benefits to the top two chars.
Just my thoughts on teh issue, by all means trial Halberd but don't be suprised if people looking to place better than usual strike down to it and pick MK/Snake.
I always thought that a starter is aimed to make an even match for both characters. Would that mean that our starter stages need to be as basic as possible, without any unusual structure or events? Ideally then, a stage should be flatish, with reasonable boundaries, normal ledges, a platform or two spaced out fairly, little to no random occurrences. Yes? Well we don't really have any stage like that, aside from maybe SV or BF or maybe FD. Then we need to look at the aim of providing an even match. Admittedly no stages in Brawl actually provide an even match so we look for the closest we can get.
Looking at all those thoughts I thought that it seems obvious that halberd does not meet these guidelines, and if it does other stages should be on the starter list. Such as Delfino, Pictochat and maybe even pokemon stadium.
Halberd provides some chars we large advantages, the ones that come to mind are Snake and MK them being the top two characters in the whole game. It allows snake to get crazy Utilt kills at low percentages, while giving him fairly good stage control over all. And with MK comes the obvious problem of Sharking to abuse the fact that almost no characters can hit him while properly spaced, through the floor. I don't know if this is also that much of a consideration, but many times the stage has gimped chars at low percentages with its weird ledges while not flying, being stuck under the ledge without multiple jumps is stupid. Especially if you just had to airdodge the claw on the edge and floated past the ledge, only to be gimped.
What characters benefit as much from Lylat? I can't think of any characters off the top of my head which are instantly advantaged by Lylat to the same extent, the ones that would be, would probably be advantaged by the planking opportunities offered by the stage, and we have rules set in place to stop that. The only real complaint I've ever heard about Lylat Cruise, is the "OMG it tilted which is soooo ghey and I got gimped", as I've already pointed out I've had very similar things happen on Halberd and they are annoying but can be avoided. Aside from that the stage does not have any crazy structural things that abuse MU's, no short killzones, no RANDOM OBSATCLES OF DOOOM, and best of all does not give extreme benefits to the top two chars.
Just my thoughts on teh issue, by all means trial Halberd but don't be suprised if people looking to place better than usual strike down to it and pick MK/Snake.
i can't find it >_>
C~Dog
Smash Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=185358
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182053
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209914
These are the 3 threads you should be looking at for NSW tournaments.
Ledge_g2
Smash Ace
Remember Nix that you pick char before the stage striking.
Toby.
Smash Master
Because diddy kong.
Nixernator
Smash Ace
That makes brawl even more boring than it is Dekar Lol.
Also then Ledge, why don't we make every stage a starter, as you pick chars first Lol. Starters are meant to be neutral, especially if we do the everyone plays on the random starter for pools.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
So yeah, I'm going to NZ for a week. I'll try to get on sometime to answer questions, but I don't know how often I will be able to access the internet. So if you could just like annoy Vermy or some **** in the meantime that would be cool.
Bye.
Bye.
abhishekh
Smash Journeyman
It wouldn't need messing around to make it fun if people didn't mess around with it to try and make it less "random".
If it wasn't made for competitive play why is there a "winner" at the end of a match? :o
Timic83
Smash Ace
Warning for 7th of feb
I might not be able to make it, but if I do I will be travelling by train, so no TV. Will try and bring wii though
I might not be able to make it, but if I do I will be travelling by train, so no TV. Will try and bring wii though
Dekar289
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If it isn't meant to be competitive why is there a winner at the end?
If it isn't allowed to do this in tournament play, why does the game have an inbuilt tournament mode?
Melancholy
Smash Ace
Because that wouldn't be fun. Even casual players who play with items on icicle mountain want to have something to work towards, i.e. coming first, having bragging rights over their friends/opponents etc.
You're proving the point that its competitive, good work melancholy. lol
Melancholy
Smash Ace
I was just answering your question 
You asked why does it have a winner if it's not meant to be competitive. What I'm saying is that even if you're just playing for fun/casually having a winner is good because it makes the game more fun.
Having a winner at the end of a match doesn't automatically make a game fit for competitive play.
If that makes sense. It does in my head, so whatever
You asked why does it have a winner if it's not meant to be competitive. What I'm saying is that even if you're just playing for fun/casually having a winner is good because it makes the game more fun.
Having a winner at the end of a match doesn't automatically make a game fit for competitive play.
If that makes sense. It does in my head, so whatever
Dekar289
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exactly, mario party has winners
mario party
Ledge_g2
Smash Ace
Stop assuming what Sakuri was thinking when designing the game.
For all we know it could have been created with the idea of introducing a new competitive error, with some random inbuilt as a way to make it more entertaining to watch at competitive levels. Even Melee had random attributes such as Nana dumb but spontaneous AI. Also how do we know that Sakuri didnt create the game based around competitive play with Items and sudden death. I mean sure theres a bit more random like tripping but the game all of a sudden becomes more deep and all the gay tactics like planking, and playing extremely defensive dissapears. because characters have a chance at approaching safely in the same way as diddy can approach safely. this is of course assuming the use of ISP (Item Standard Play) with proper item rules.
For all we know it could have been created with the idea of introducing a new competitive error, with some random inbuilt as a way to make it more entertaining to watch at competitive levels. Even Melee had random attributes such as Nana dumb but spontaneous AI. Also how do we know that Sakuri didnt create the game based around competitive play with Items and sudden death. I mean sure theres a bit more random like tripping but the game all of a sudden becomes more deep and all the gay tactics like planking, and playing extremely defensive dissapears. because characters have a chance at approaching safely in the same way as diddy can approach safely. this is of course assuming the use of ISP (Item Standard Play) with proper item rules.
abhishekh
Smash Journeyman
I'm all for an item tourney.
8D
No.
It is a good game, granted I've never played melee (I played the original though), but brawl is fun (subjective, I know). It's just kinda not as fun (granted, I still find it fun) when you play by the rules
Meh, don't know how that would work for "competitive" play.
Also, I'm all for items assuming they banned some of them, like Assist Trophies (vision impairing ones are annoying), pokeballs (lolkyogre), bobombs etc.
Heck, at least try it out a couple of time to see if it works? You never know .-.
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Whatever, it's really not my place to say anything, since I'm still pretty new to competitive smash and don't know as much as most of you do, but I said it anyway because it's fun.
8D
berpderp
No.
It is a good game, granted I've never played melee (I played the original though), but brawl is fun (subjective, I know). It's just kinda not as fun (granted, I still find it fun) when you play by the rules
Meh, don't know how that would work for "competitive" play.
Also, I'm all for items assuming they banned some of them, like Assist Trophies (vision impairing ones are annoying), pokeballs (lolkyogre), bobombs etc.
Heck, at least try it out a couple of time to see if it works? You never know .-.
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Whatever, it's really not my place to say anything, since I'm still pretty new to competitive smash and don't know as much as most of you do, but I said it anyway because it's fun.
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
oh another tourney so early?
I guess I'll come. Havent gone on smashboards for a while, probably wont be on much since im still mad at the person who pissed me off >_>
I guess I'll come. Havent gone on smashboards for a while, probably wont be on much since im still mad at the person who pissed me off >_>
Ledge_g2
Smash Ace
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164675&highlight=item
The Item tourney rules, they've been testing and discussing items in tourney play for a while.
Im not necessarily suggesting we turn these tourneys into Item tourneys lol. but it would be cool if we tried it out a few times considering we are going to be having 3 tourneys a month, i think that we should experiment with the rules a bit every now and then.
I got thinking after reading this thread http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262110 and a few others. It petty much talks about Brawl being different to Melee so why are we trying to force the Melee ruleset onto Brawl.
EDIT: Hello Leisha
The Item tourney rules, they've been testing and discussing items in tourney play for a while.
Im not necessarily suggesting we turn these tourneys into Item tourneys lol. but it would be cool if we tried it out a few times considering we are going to be having 3 tourneys a month, i think that we should experiment with the rules a bit every now and then.
I got thinking after reading this thread http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262110 and a few others. It petty much talks about Brawl being different to Melee so why are we trying to force the Melee ruleset onto Brawl.
EDIT: Hello Leisha
Bonus Tourney is TBA, depends heavily on how many TVs we have on the day and how smoothly things run. If we get at least 8 TV+wii setups going on, a bonus tourney looks possible. Ideas in motion are:
- Low Tier
- 4v4 Crews (to prepare people for Don't Come 2)
- Schoolyard Crews (our traditional Melbourne divided by 2)
- Random Tourney (works like singles, but everyone selects random. Instead of stage strikes you each get 1 character strike per round, cps are permitted)
- Standard Item Play Tourney (seems to be getting some interest)
Also, I've been thinking of adding Street Fighter IV crews as a regular thing. It seems to have gotten a fair bit of interest, and I'd be happy to bring my setup every month. For those of you with an Xbox 360/PS3 it's selling for a relatively cheap price if you ever wanted to get into it. Or if you have a gaming pc you could "borrow" my copy. Arcade sticks will be available as per usual. I'd be happy to tutor anyone in Street Fighter IV if you wanna get all pro =)
Tanman is my greatest pupil thus far. <3
- Low Tier
- 4v4 Crews (to prepare people for Don't Come 2)
- Schoolyard Crews (our traditional Melbourne divided by 2)
- Random Tourney (works like singles, but everyone selects random. Instead of stage strikes you each get 1 character strike per round, cps are permitted)
- Standard Item Play Tourney (seems to be getting some interest)
Also, I've been thinking of adding Street Fighter IV crews as a regular thing. It seems to have gotten a fair bit of interest, and I'd be happy to bring my setup every month. For those of you with an Xbox 360/PS3 it's selling for a relatively cheap price if you ever wanted to get into it. Or if you have a gaming pc you could "borrow" my copy. Arcade sticks will be available as per usual. I'd be happy to tutor anyone in Street Fighter IV if you wanna get all pro =)
Tanman is my greatest pupil thus far. <3
TakFR
Smash Lord
My Ryu/Bison combo would **** you all up anyway =)
luke_atyeo
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my poor poor eyes...
C~Dog
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TakFR
Smash Lord
Tahlia vs Condog this tourney then
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
Yay hi Garyness <3
Anyone tried Tatsunoko vs. Capcom yet? Its pretty epic ;3 I would try out burger fuel, but i dont like beef =( it makes me sickies, plus im fussy lolol
Anyone tried Tatsunoko vs. Capcom yet? Its pretty epic ;3 I would try out burger fuel, but i dont like beef =( it makes me sickies, plus im fussy lolol
Tanman
Smash Journeyman
Borrowed it off a friend and it's on the portable harddrive. Pretty entertaining. Still think I'll try to learn SF though ^^;