Visible Hitbubbles in PSA!

[GimR]

The tornado was wrong, it's not one streaming hitbox, right? I thought it kind of blinks on and off

 

[Doval]

Sword Glow
11031400:
1st Parameter: trail to use
2nd Parameter: (Value) duration/length of trail
Parameter 2, 6, and 12: (Value) Bone
Parameter 3, 4, 5: 1st point glow trail offsets
Parameter 7, 8, 9: 2nd point glow trail offsets
Parameter 13: Forward offset of glow
Parameter 14: Sidewise offset of glow
Parameter 15: Z offset of glow
Parameter 16: rotate on forward axis
Parameter 17: rotate on sideward axis
Parameter 18: rotate on Z axis?
Boolean Parameter: Disappear at end of subaction
Last Parameter: (Scalar) size of effect.

Eldiran, have I mentioned that I love you?

The tornado was wrong, it's not one streaming hitbox, right? I thought it kind of blinks on and off

It's possible it blinks on and off with no dead frames in between. E.g. A hitbox that lasts frames 1-2, then a new hitbox that lasts frames 3-4, then one that lasts from 5-6, and so on. Without any inactive frames, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference visually between one continuous hitbox and multiple ones.

I honestly don't know, the Specials segment of PSA scares me.

I'll be home soon and I'll try showing the hitboxes on Mario's jab. If I succeed, I'll write up a short guide for Eternal Yoshi.

 

[Liquid Gen]

Aren't I great? I successfully added effects to Bowser's Jab and ftilt. ext comes the rest of the moveset.

Vidz up soon lololol

 

[InnocentRoad]

I made the PSA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mak7FXmSY

Please press DownAppeal.
MK
http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Sc/so/53386.pac&key=null
Snake
http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Sc/so/53604.pac&key=null

 

[Doval]

Succeeded in revealing the hitboxes on Ike's jab. The procedure was pretty straightforward:

1) Go to the character's Down Taunts (AppealLw) and add

(120A0100) Bit Variable Set
Memory Type: Runtime Longterm
Type: Float
Variable #: 100

as the first event in both Down Taunts (Main list). This is what switches on the hitbox graphics.

2) Go to the character's Up Taunts (AppealHi) and add

(120B0100) Bit Variable Clear
same parameters are Bit Variable Set

as the first event in both Up Taunts. This is what switches the hitboxes off.

3) Go to the attack you want to add hitbox graphics for. Switch over to the GFX event list. Whatever shows up there, encase it in an "Else" and "End If" (if there's nothing in GFX, just add the "End If.") Then add a

(000A0200) If
Requirement: Bit is Set
Variable: (same as Bit Variable Set)

on top of everything.

4) Inside the "If", we'll want to add a Sword Glow (11031400) for each Offensive Collision the attack has. Make sure to add the appropriate timers (look at the Main section) so the glows start at the same time as the collisions. Fill out 11031400 as such:

Parameter 0: Value (1)
Parameter 1: Value (0)
Parameter 2: Value (Offensive Collision's Bone*)
Parameter 3-5: Scalar (0)
Parameter 6: Same as 2
Parameter 7-9: Scalar (0)
Parameter 10: Boolean (True)
Parameter 11: Value (32)
Parameter 12: Same as 2
Parameters 13-15: Scalar (Z, Y, and X offsets, respectively)
Parameters 16-18: Scalar (0)
Parameter 19: Scalar (Offensive Collision's Size)

*Double click the Offensive Collision, click on Bone and use the number in the LEFTMOST FOUR DIGITS. The other 4 digits are the ID, which we don't need for this.

5) Now we need to make sure we end the glows at the appropriate times. Look at the attack's info in Main again, and add the same timer that precedes "Terminate Collisions" to your If block, except subtract 1 from the frames on the timer. E.g. If the timer has 3 frames, use 2 in your If. If the original timer only has 1 frame, don't add a timer at all. Now add an event 11050100 and set Parameter 0 to Value (1).

6) Repeat steps 3-5 for the rest of the character's attacks, save the .pac, and put it in your SD.

In short:
Set Bit 100 in the Down Taunts
Clear Bit 100 in the Up Taunts
Set up an If-Else in the attack's GFX list, putting the original contents into the Else
Add the timers and sword glows that correspond to the hitboxes into the If.
End the sword glows 1 frame before the hitboxes end.

EDIT: Thanks a lot Innocent Road. This is really awesome.

 

[deepseadiva]

...are you guys making this actually work?

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg

 

[Revven]

...are you guys making this actually work?

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg

Looking at what Doval just posted, yes.

 

[STUFF2o]

I hope something like this gets made for all the characters. And by all the characters, I mean the Brawl+ ones.

 

[WaterTails]

3) Go to the attack you want to add hitbox graphics for. Switch over to the GFX event list. Whatever shows up there, encase it in an "Else:" and "End If:". Then add an If (000A0200) on top of it all with
Requirement: Bit is Set
Variable: (same as Bit Variable Set)

Just to clarify, if there's nothing in the GFX events, you don't need the "Else," right?
Also, I call Falco.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I'll try to do Lucas in my spare time... (non brawl+)

 

[Doval]

Just to clarify, if there's nothing in the GFX events, you don't need the "Else," right?

Good catch. Yeah, you shouldn't need the Else if it's empty.

Also added a screenshot to my earlier post to help you guys see what I mean.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Thanks Innocent road. I'll make a vid tomorrow of Snake's stuff because of IRL stuff and sleep.

Note: I doubt that the props hitboxes will show as they are located elsewhere.

See you all tomorrow.

 

[InnocentRoad]

Set "Bit Variable Clear" in Entry(L and R).

Parameter2 and Parameter6 of Sword Glow(11031400) do not need to set it.

 

[WaterTails]

More questions!

How exactly do we determine the collision size for Param 19?

Oh, wow. I'm dumb. Reading is hard.

 

[Doval]

It's the same number as the Size parameter in the Offensive Collision you're adding a glow for.

 

[Eldiran]

You guys have definitely confirmed via testing that graphic 32 is exactly proportional to hitbox size, right?

If so, this is a very cool endeavor that I support.

 

[DarkDragoon]

You guys have definitely confirmed via testing that graphic 32 is exactly proportional to hitbox size, right?

If so, this is a very cool endeavor that I support.

1) No, I doubt it.
2) How would you even test that? You'd have to like, go down and superzoom...and even then it might not work out for every single character's hitbox.

Its best to look at these like approximations, as opposed to fact.
-DD

 

[Eldiran]

Well, every hitbox is determined by the same scale, so if a size 1 yellow orb matches a size 1 hitbox perfectly, then it should work for every hitbox of any size.

 

[DarkDragoon]

Well, every hitbox is determined by the same scale, so if a size 1 yellow orb matches a size 1 hitbox perfectly, then it should work for every hitbox of any size.

Well, of course xD!

But yeah, I don't think they tested.

Seems good enough though.

-DD

 

[Rykoshet]

I'll be putting up a snake hitbox vid in about 20 minutes

 

[Doval]

As far as I can tell from playing around with Ike's jab and Meta Knight/Snake, the glowing orbs are accurate representations of the hit boxes for any practical purpose. You'll get phantom hits around their outlines.

The only ways I can see we can improve upon this is finding a way to make the hit box graphics transparent, and finding a way to automate the process of producing the .pacs.

 

[Rykoshet]

Snake Hitbox vid

Vid is processing, should go up and subsequently clear up in the next quarter hour.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Thanks for the hitbubble data on Snake. Wow at his N-air.

 

[phi1ny3]

zomg I gotta get on this for Lucario.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

>_<

Fine then. I'll do Yoshi then.
And Wario.

 

[Rikana]

Off topic: @phi1ny3. Where did you get your avatar? That's an amazing translation to a human figure. I wanna see more.

 

[phi1ny3]

I don't remember the artist's name anymore, but he pretty much made a bunch of these "cosplay" cartoons that are really well done. Just type "______ cosplay" on photobucket, and you might have to dig around for it, but you'll find it usually.

Thank you Innocentroads, you've outdone yourself again.

 

[STUFF2o]

I do say that Luigi, Falcon, and Jiggz are musts. Mainly because of Luigi's Up B and Down Taunt, Jigg's rest, and Falcon's overall awesomeness.

 

[Airgemini]

This is probably the most exciting thread I've ever seen on this board.
Can't wait for more testing/more characters! Hypeee.

 

[Xyro77]

Samus, please! We really need this data BAD!

And who ever did this, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!

 

[Eldiran]

A full collection of these would be very fun to play with on a regular basis :D

 

[Gea]

Lucario's will be the most interesting.

 

[Doval]

>_<

Fine then. I'll do Yoshi then.
And Wario.

You can still do Snake+. From the ridiculous range, I'm fairly sure Innocent Roads used Snake's vanillla pac.

I've been waiting for this forever. Again, words can't express how great this is.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I'm beginning work on Yoshi and Wario. I might do Samus when they are done.

I'll do Snake + too then.

 

[momochuu]

When you guys get them, can you post the effect files or whatever here?

 

[Shell]

People should keep in mind that hitboxes interpolate ("stretch") between the locations of the previous frame's and current frame's hitbox locations.

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The hitboxes aren't perfect circles because they're a combination of two different locations, as you can see above -- the higher stretched portion is the location where the fist was the previous frame. Magus has confirmed that hitboxes work similarly in Brawl.

Not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.

 

[KayLo!]

This is amazing.

Can't wait to see the hitbox on Pika's thunder.

 

[Wavedash Master]

The only hitboxes I imagine we won't be able to see are projectiles, as you can't edit those properties in PSA.

 

[bob-e]

Holy ****, these last couple weeks have been absolutely amazing.

Is anyone going to make a pac for Falco? I'd love to see how ******** the hit box on phantasm is.

 

[GHNeko]

Why dont you guys do these hitbox tests on the results stage? Where it's pitch black?

That way the hitboxes look more defined and are easier to analyze. e__e