Visible Hitbubbles in PSA!

[ph00tbag]

Is it possible to get orbs of different colors? If so, it may be possible to differentiate defensive bubbles, offensive bubbles and catch bubbles.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

!!!! 16 17 18 might be the z,y, and x ROTATION we should use to emulate the stretchy hitboxes that Shell alluded to.

Someone please check.

 

[Eldiran]

@phootbag: this process uses a specific graphic, a yellow orb, that happens to match the hitbox size perfectly, so different colors aren't an easy option.

!!!! 16 17 18 might be the z,y, and x ROTATION we should use to emulate the stretchy hitboxes that Shell alluded to.

Someone please check.

Unfortunately, rotating a sphere doesn't do anything...

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

You're right. It didn't do anything, and 16,17,and 18 are most likely z,y,and x rotation.

This was a useless find.

 

[Kitamerby]

Nevermind.

 

[-Ran]

Great job guys. I look forward to the day that we'll have them all done, and in a format that people can install to their Wii to practice with.

 

[Zwarm]

I'm looking forward to seeing Game and Watch's disjointed hitboxes! Finding this information is actually really exciting and helpful for each character.

 

[Browny]

btw I truly doubt this current method can be used to measure the extent of a disjoint. it currently only shows the hitbox, and its quite wrong to assume the hitbox for every attack is directly attached to all body parts (see sonic/peach uair, kirby/d3 bair)

 

[Shaya]

Yes,
we need to see hurtboxes as well.

I'm still convinced after seeing the MK's fsmash that his hurtbox decreases in size.

 

[Pikabunz]

Sweet! I'm gonna do Pika's hitboxes. :D

 

[rPSIvysaur]

People should keep in mind that hitboxes interpolate ("stretch") between the locations of the previous frame's and current frame's hitbox locations.

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The hitboxes aren't perfect circles because they're a combination of two different locations, as you can see above -- the higher stretched portion is the location where the fist was the previous frame. Magus has confirmed that hitboxes work similarly in Brawl.

Not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.

After watching the Snake F-air video, you can see the hitbox move with his body, so the glow will move with the hitbox, so we don't have to worry about this

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

The only move that this is worrysome for so far is utilt.
I still find the unmarked 3-5 7-9 parameter groups suspicious.
I'll continue Wario's hitboxes.

*reads thread again*

So THAT's what the other parameters were.

 

[Doval]

@RocketPSIence: You're not getting it. SHeLL is saying (and very well may be right, I haven't checked, but if Magus says so...) that like in Melee, the hitboxes that are currently out include the position they were at in the previous frame (see screenshot - Ganon's hitboxes are supposed to be two spheres, but you can clearly see they've left a trail with their previous position.) This means that what we see with PSA is slightly wrong - whenever there's a big and sudden movement (say, Snake's up-tilt, which has two distinct positions - the hitboxes jump from being in front of him to being above him abruptly) you have to remember that the hitbox includes its position in the last frame and everything in between.

EDIT: SHeLL/Magus is right. Enable Debug Pause, choose Snake and ZSS (ZSS's jab comes out in one frame which makes it ideal for this sort of thing.) PSA shows Snake's up-tilt as having hitboxes in front of him during frames 6-7 and then they suddenly shift to being on top of him starting on frame 8. Make ZSS stand right in front of where Snake's up-tilt hitboxes will appear. Do Snake's up tilt, and on frame 7 input a jab with ZSS (so the jab shows up on frame 8.) You'll see that even though the screen shows the hitboxes as being above Snake, ZSS's jab will clank showing that the hitbox is still in front of Snake too.

 

[shanus]

This method also does not show when hurtboxes become intangible during moves (aka fox's head during upsmash, etc)

 

[Doval]

That's true, but at least we can know if the move has any sort of invincibility and when by looking at PSA. Anyone interested in learning more about their character SHOULD be looking for that sort of thing when they study the PSA file.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

OK. Wario froze the game. All I did was try to jab after a down taunt.
Can someone tell me the problem?

I set the GFX parameter to

If Bit Is Set: LA-Float [100]
Asynchronous Timer: frames=7
Sword Glow
Sword Glow
Synchronous Time: frames=2
11050100: 0-1
Else:
Asynchronous Timer: frames=7
Graphic Effect
End If

 

[Doval]

I don't see anything wrong unless your Sword Glow parameters are off. Worst case scenario delete that PAC and save it again. I've already had 2 occasions where PSA saved the PAC wrong or something and my game crashed in the CSS after I picked the character.

 

[WaterTails]

OK. Wario froze the game. All I did was try to jab after a down taunt.
Can someone tell me the problem?

I set the GFX parameter to

If Bit Is Set: LA-Float [100]
Asynchronous Timer: frames=7
Sword Glow
Sword Glow
Synchronous Time: frames=2
11050100: 0-1
Else:
Asynchronous Timer: frames=7
Graphic Effect
End If

Does it literally say "Graphic effect" or does it have any code for the effect?
If it just has "Graphic effect, get rid of everything I bolded and try that. Sorry if that was vague, but I don't have access to PSA, so I can't really check out Wario's jab.

Edit: Ninja'D by someone who actually knows what they're doing

Is anyone going to make a pac for Falco? I'd love to see how ******** the hit box on phantasm is.

Started on Falco's .pac last night, but the "specials" tab scares me. Phantasms are the first thing I'll try when I get home, though!

 

[shanus]

Are you using PSA 1.3 or an older build?

Check your file size changes, as I'd imagine it could be due to 1.3

 

[Doval]

PSA 1.3 gives problems? Does the file size need to stay below certain values or something?

This is the first time I've had to do anything with PSA since the day it came out so I'm pretty much out of the loop here.

 

[swordgard]

Hmm, i might undertake doing the ice climber one during next week considering this week is hell in terms of HW.


First time using PSA is fun fun lol

 

[shanus]

PSA 1.3 gives problems? Does the file size need to stay below certain values or something?

This is the first time I've had to do anything with PSA since the day it came out so I'm pretty much out of the loop here.

PSA 1.3 when you save a file can sometimes randomly add on like 14kb. When that happens, you will crash at CSS or early entry into the match itself.

I strictly use .21 except for when I need to edit PT or D3 in which case I use dantarion's version of 1.3. However, in the short time of using 1.3, i had that error occur frequently.

 

[Praxis]

If someone can do Peach, I'll love you forever.

Also, it's worth noting that Peach's hitbox interact oddly with float. For example, if you float bair someone, and release the float during the hit, it hits twice. I'm curious if you'd see any change in a hitbox video.

I'm reeaaaallly curious to see Lucario's boxes too XD

 

[CRASHiC]

I'm very interested in seing DDDs standing grab compared to his pivot grab compared to his dash grab.

EDIT- or does D3 still not work?

 

[ph00tbag]

@phootbag: this process uses a specific graphic, a yellow orb, that happens to match the hitbox size perfectly, so different colors aren't an easy option.

I realize that. I'm asking if there is such thing as a "blue orb" or something.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I want to customize the MK program so it will work for Sheik.
How do I do that?

 

[Doval]

Thanks for the info Shanus.

@CRASHiC: I believe PSA 1.3 can open DDD but I don't have time to make a .pac right now, sorry.
@saviorslegacy http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8819641&postcount=45

 

[Sliq]

I'm very confused as to the process, so I have no idea how any of this works. All I know is, I can't wait until people start accumulating hitbox data. Is there anything I can do to help, with my 0 experience and knowledge with this kind of ****?

Also, next person who asks for a specific character to get done gets punched in the face.

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

i want nana hit boxes right nao! D:<

 

[MK26]

Kirby's fist jab is done :D
now for the rest of it O_O

EDIT: how the hell am i supposed to do it with subroutines involved?!?
Or loop infinites?

 

[momochuu]

I am currently working on ICs. =_= Don't hold your breath, rofl.

 

[bob-e]

Here's one with Marth+'s jab, tilts, smashes, and aerials.
http://www.mediafire.com/?w5mugrzd1yg

How am I supposed to handle grabs and specials? I can only imagine how much trouble it will be to do dancing blade.

 

[JoeMcLarry]

Anybody know where I can find that stage texture from the first vid?

 

[bigman40]

Okay, I started trying to edit the files by what doval has shown, but Yoshi's hitboxes are coming out much bigger than normal and the timing for how long the hitboxes last on certain moves are incorrect. I'm fairly sure that I'm not doing anything wrong considering that I have gotten the jabs correct.

 

[STUFF2o]

I demand Falcon+.

 

[Sliq]

Also, next person who asks for a specific character to get done gets punched in the face.

I demand Falcon+.

I demand you pull your head out of your *** and wait patiently. People aren't here to answer to your whims. It will get done when people get to it.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I'm using PSA v1.2.1.

The graphic effect I'm referring to was for the normal jab effects.

 

[STUFF2o]

I demand you pull your head out of your *** and wait patiently. People aren't here to answer to your whims. It will get done when people get to it.

... I didn't see that comment...
... ouch

It's not a serious demand, just a suggestion. It's not like I expected anybody to do it.

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

I demand you pull your head out of your *** and wait patiently. People aren't here to answer to your whims. It will get done when people get to it.

I demand you answer my whims.

 

[STUFF2o]

I demand you answer my whims.

You get an internet for that.