Weekly Character Discussion: Lucario

[tedward2000]

Phil is conducting SCIENCE!!

Anyways, im a bit surprised on how long it took to get lucario posted, and yet only 1 1/2 half pages of him we're discussed.
idk, thats just me.
Glad he's out now, and we're all content.
(oh and great job Hawk!)
-t2

 

[M3D]

The SBR has been kinda busy putting the Tier List together, which is probably why there aren't more posts.

 

[Overswarm]

The SBR has been kinda busy putting the Tier List together, which is probably why there aren't more posts.

That and we pretty much covered most of what could be said... and don't really feel the need to post just to post.


Well, not in these threads anyway.

 

[Ace55]

sakurai doesn't care about moves unless they have stab (that's also why he made DT suck)..

Charizard's rock smash kinda ruines that theory.

 

[cutter]

One of the things that I like about Lucario is his very fast grab attack. It's great because you can grab your opponent at high %, spam grab attacks (don't throw) and all of Lucario's moves kill again. It's really, really good IMO.

 

[tedward2000]

The SBR has been kinda busy putting the Tier List together, which is probably why there aren't more posts.

That and we pretty much covered most of what could be said... and don't really feel the need to post just to post.


Well, not in these threads anyway.

Yea true, well I don't chill with you guys so I wouldn't know. hahaha.
And good luck with the Tier list, thats going to be a blast.
-t2

 

[betterthanbonds9]

^ O my sweet Jesus, what has humanity come to? ^

That reminds me of the Scientology episode of South Park where everybody started saying "O my science" instead of "O my god"

iirc that was the episode where cartman went to the future

Charizard's rock smash kinda ruines that theory.

nope, that's the exception to every rule thus proving the rule

 

[Kevvviiinnn]

SCIENCE!

Well said, Phil. Quite SCIENCE!, if you will X^D

 

[Nines~Tempest]

nope, that's the exception to every rule thus proving the rule

I just realized that that is the perfect explanation for why if you "shoot" an electron at something with two slits in it, it sometimes goes through both at the same time. SOMETHING has be break the rule of being in only one place at any given time :x.

 

[Milln]

A Lucario discussion that I was not permitted to be involved with directly before a (final) summary was posted to the public. I am not happy.

But oh well.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

We're not important enough for that, Sensei.

Not YET.

 

[tedward2000]

It'll happen some day, for some of us on the cario boards.
Not worry milln, be happy that you have some kind of name.
Others that want one, don't have one.
-t2

 

[Blood_Hawk]

I really don't see what the big deal is.

 

[Milln]

I really don't see what the big deal is.

*beats up Hawk, for obvious reasons* >,>

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

Since I didn't feel like making a whole thread for it... how do my fellow Lucarios feel about his placement on the tier list?

I think he's about in place, although this will probably cut down on the underestimation factor, which I'd sincerely miss.

 

[tedward2000]

I still think he could be placed a bit higher.
Its just we dont have enough ppl doing good in tourneys, emphasis on enough players.
We're doing fine, its like like a group of lucario's vs a wave of MK's and Snakes. (think 300)
But we could be doing better.

And its only v.01, theres still going to be tweaks here and there, depending on how the next few months go.
-t2

 

[OneWingedAngelo1]

Since I didn't feel like making a whole thread for it... how do my fellow Lucarios feel about his placement on the tier list?

I think he's about in place, although this will probably cut down on the underestimation factor, which I'd sincerely miss.

Silly Col. Tiers are for Queers

 

[Milln]

Silly Col. Tiers are for Queers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2phSUkFeVI

 

[tedward2000]

haha that vid was like expected then... Oh Shi!!
-iT2

*edit
heh on the iPod touch I cant highlight, so anything covered in black I can't see.
doesn't mean I can't come back later and see it though.

 

[Blood_Hawk]

*beats up Hawk, for obvious reasons* >,>

Wut?

Spoiler

10 wuts

 

[betterthanbonds9]

Wut?

Spoiler

10 wuts

Your post got in there and yeah....

 

[Nurotasama]

When I think of Lucario, one word comes to mind; awesome. The end.

Spoiler

10awesomes

 

[M@v]

Lucario is an awesome character. He has so many great qualities. For one, the fact he gets stronger as he takes damage is a huge asset. If Lucario can survive a stock long enough, he can seriously wreck the other guy. Lucario really doesn't need to approach thanks to his aura sphere, but when he does, he has no shortage of moves. Fair has high priority and is one of my favorite aerials of lucarios. You use it twice in a shorthop as well. Dair(nicknamed sim-sim-salabim by me and my friends since Lucario crosses his arms like a genie), has maddening priority. It almost rivals G&W's dreaded turtle in priority IMO. Its hitbox is small however. He has a modest recovery, made much better by wall clinging. All his smashes have kill potential, but they all have a kinda slow start, and end lag. What makes him shine is his uair and dair at higher percents. These moves can dish out KO pain when lucario is higher up in %s.
His force palm(side B) can be combod from neutral A(a-a-side b). Lucario's side b can even chaingrab some characters to about 20%.


His counter is kinda crappy, but it can be useful. Use it when they least expect it. Ive gotten a fair share of kill with counter when I used it when they hit me with a KO move.

Time for the weaknesses:
He has a very hard time killing when he is at lower percents.
Can be easy to edgeguard if the lucario player isnt careful. I like to fair an opponent trying to edgeguard me. It usually out prioritizes whatever they are trying to do.


But anyway, Lucario=great character.

 

[Browny]

fun facts:
Lucario is the only 2-jump character who can SH triple aerial (fair, dair, dair) and double jump 7-aerial (fair, dair, dair, fair, dair x3), all with no landing lag whatsoever of course :D

 

[Samuelson]

fun facts:
Lucario is the only 2-jump character who can SH triple aerial (fair, dair, dair) and double jump 7-aerial (fair, dair, dair, fair, dair x3), all with no landing lag whatsoever of course :D

This just shows how amazing Lucario is. I'm sure Luigi can also do some pretty awesome things.

 

[betterthanbonds9]

His force palm(side B) can be combod from neutral A(a-a-side b). Lucario's side b can even chaingrab some characters to about 20%.

20% is the average for floaties, 35% for mids, 50% for heavies and 60% for snake (but he can drop a nade to make you have to combo afterwards faster)

Time for the weaknesses:
He has a very hard time killing when he is at lower percents.
Can be easy to edgeguard if the lucario player isnt careful. I like to fair an opponent trying to edgeguard me. It usually out prioritizes whatever they are trying to do.

But anyway, Lucario=great character.

yep, hard to KO (at low percents) and recovery are the overall feelings about him

---i took off the first part because i frankly had nothing to say about it

 

[Timbers]

I like to fair an opponent trying to edgeguard me. It usually out prioritizes whatever they are trying to do.
.

Which is why Marth and MK are ******** edgeguarders against Luc.

 

[Browny]

airdodging + dair stalling is fun

 

[cba]

I <3 lucarios d-tilt.
a red lucario like azens sig would be OD

 

[TK Wolf]

I <3 lucarios d-tilt.
a red lucario like azens sig would be OD

Bam.

 

[tedward2000]

^^^
Its Cherry Chocolate Rain Lucario!
-t2

 

[phi1ny3]

^^^
Its Cherry Chocolate Rain Lucario!
-t2

I couldn't have asked for a better que to put up this picture:

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Bam.

Did you hacked or something? Because it looks great!! Do a shiny color variation of Lucario?

And I wanted to try fighting the "dark" Lucario you face in SSE in the Great Maze in a normal brawl. I know it involves hacks, but is there a way to do this without corrupting save files. And what stuff do I need to do this? BTW, I have North American version.

Also, Lucario's crawl is quite low, it can even avoid Razyguaga (can't spell that Pokemon boss in SSE) ExtremeSpeed and Ridley's rush attack. Well, not really, when trying to play in Very Hard, these attacks still hit me even if I crawl. I thought crawling suppose to avoid such boss attacks.

 

[mimic_king]

Lucario is a bit below average. His projectile doesn't do much damge, his counter isn't very effective. His attacks aren't strong and aren't very good for attacking people. His up b can cancel if it hits a ceiling. His side b is pretty strong though.

Overall, Lucario isn't a very good character, and I wouldn't recommend using him.

 

[culexus・wau]

Lucario is a bit below average. His projectile doesn't do much damAge, O RLY? Then how can it KO for me all the time when I need it to? and please explain how 22% around 100ish doesn't do much damage his counter isn't very effective.True, it can help in a pinch and surprise though :DHis attacks aren't strong and aren't very good for attacking people.olol wut? please explain
His up b can cancel if it hits a ceiling. Aren't all characters not named MK, Pit, or ROB screwed when their recoveries are anviled? :/ His side b is pretty strong though.his SideB is is pimp

Overall, Lucario isn't a very good character, and I wouldn't recommend using him.

I hope you actually used him in matches and DIDN'T just go to training mode and played around with 0% Lucario.

 

[tedward2000]

Lucario is a bit below average. His projectile doesn't do much damge, his counter isn't very effective. His attacks aren't strong and aren't very good for attacking people. His up b can cancel if it hits a ceiling. His side b is pretty strong though.

Overall, Lucario isn't a very good character, and I wouldn't recommend using him.

I will name everything wrong with this post.

Everything, except that you spelt lucairo right.

Lucario is High tier for many reasons.
1. He can go hand and hand with everyone in the cast, give or take.
2. His projectile is insanely strong, one of the best in the game, and one of lucario's best Ko'ers.
3. His counter is effective, just hard to use and not used very often.
4. If his attacks are not very good for attacking ppl, what are they good for? Making Toast?
5. He has a aura boost. Which means after awhile he will get stronger. At -2 stock and 172% he is the STRONGEST in the game. But that is at peak, at normal peak, He is still extremely strong. (at 172% any stock, full AS does 26%)
6. At the beginning yes, he's weak, but it means he can chain. Later, he can kill. Weak? Naw.
7. UpB is UpB, im not going to cover that. Yes it doesnt do damage, but it clings, curves so and so forth. It makes him fly.
8. Side-B is ok. It could be better, but its a bit slow, and risky to use just straight off.
9.His aerials are also some of the best in the game, namely Fair and Dair.
10. Smashes are slow, but they are powerful and have range. Jabs are great, tilts are even better.
11. Its Lucario, can't get better then that.

If you where being sarcastic, then it wasn't funny.
Hope this clarifies things!
-t2

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Lucario is a bit below average. His projectile doesn't do much damge, his counter isn't very effective.

Are you kidding me?!! Lucario's counter is the strongest in the game and Aura Sphere deal decent knockback and relatively strong.

On the other hand, can anyone give me tips on doing Boss Battles in Very Hard/Intense difficulty with Lucario.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

Lucario is a bit below average. His projectile doesn't do much damge, his counter isn't very effective. His attacks aren't strong and aren't very good for attacking people. His up b can cancel if it hits a ceiling. His side b is pretty strong though.

Overall, Lucario isn't a very good character, and I wouldn't recommend using him.

Words cannot express how wrong you are.

But this can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVva68JrMY

 

[betterthanbonds9]

troll'd much?

 

[mimic_king]

Words cannot express how wrong you are.

But this can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVva68JrMY

wow. did you make that video especially because of me? if you did, then that doesn't explain how wrong I am.